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Icarys -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/19/2008 8:59:19 PM)

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You have to understand something about me though; I am the kind of person who thrives in a relationship that MOST would call unhealthy.


Believe me I know that feeling lol.

I'm a really affectionate person so it's hard to imagine someone who doesn't want that in their life and mean it If it works for you great..there's a great peace in knowing who you are and what you want in life.




KnightofMists -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/19/2008 9:04:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

Well... technically you've already found your success... or are you looking for a third girl?  In which case... dude... leave some for the rest of us ya greedy bastard! [;)]


mmmm guess that depends on what you define success as.  I wasn't looking for another when Kyra came along.... which btw she was number 3 at the time.... of course number 2 was on the short path out.  At the time... I was content for number 2 to go on her merry way and focus on success....  which to me is Quality!  with a focus of quality.... Quantity will happen all on it's own.  and when I am taking Quantity... I am talking years together.  I focus on the quality of my relationships with Alandra and Kyra as much as possible... and so do they.  If another comes along... well... it happens and we will not turn Quality  (compatiable partners) away... but we are not looking for them.  If they want us... they can knock on the door and maybe something will happen then again... maybe not.




MadRabbit -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/19/2008 9:04:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
I am not suggesting that one can be flexible enough that anyone can become compatiable to them.  In fact, everyone has people that are going to be compatiable with and some that are not.  However, ten years ago... I was X..... after ten years I am X+10.... on the other side of the equation I have both defined myself which limited my options and I also enhance myself that expanded my options.  Sometimes these are conscious choices and sometimes we are not so aware of these choices.  I recalled a post you made sometime back which in effect reflect that you didn't provide time for a relationship to be successful.   Those choices defined you and limited your options and I suspect (due to some things you have said)  you are going to make different choices at some point that will enhance the time available neccessary to make a relationship work.  Now... It just might be with your limited time... there is someone that will be compatiable to you just as things are.... but as you make more time to find that relationship.. you actually increase the probability of finding someone and I dare see the probability of succeeding in that given relationship. 


Absolutely. It's not so much about molding yourself to the someone else's conception, but rather when you meet someone that you decide you want to make make things work long term and go at it, flexibility is important for overcoming the difficulties that will arise in the course of that relationship.

Hypothetically, I am with someone who goes to college. Her time is limited because of that. I decide I want to be with this girl and want to put the effort in and availability is one of the challenges we will have to overcome. I can either A) attempt to put her spending time with me as a priority over college, resulting in her jeopardizing something that is important to her and something that I want or B) work around her schedule to see her when she is available.

Now option B is clearly the least domly option because I am trading off what I want and molding my way to her schedule, but option A will most likely result in the failure of her going to college as well as possibly the relationship.

I go with option B, because I am trading the short term to accomplish a long term goal which will ultimately make me happier.

Another hypothetical is I meet a girl who is perfect with me in anyway except that I love rock and she loves classical. Now I can option A) Write it off as lack of compatibility and forsake something that could be really awesome, option B) force her to listen to rock all the time and none of the music she loves which would make her unhappy or option C) alternate going to rock and classical music and attempt to expand both our horizons.

I go with option C. We both go to concerts and maybe we both find a new taste of music that we can appreciate through self discovery. Or maybe we don't and we both venomously hate each other's music.

So then I go to option D) find some way to we both can enjoy our music without exposing the other person to it so we are both happy.

All of this is just pragmatic and practical in my opinion, because the odds of finding that one person who is a 100% perfect match in every possible way so that there is no obstacles to overcome or no differences to settle is highly unrealistic in my opinion.

Edited to Add : And in my book, real and strong emotional connections are too rare to throw away over the insignificant.




IrishMist -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/19/2008 9:16:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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You have to understand something about me though; I am the kind of person who thrives in a relationship that MOST would call unhealthy.


Believe me I know that feeling lol.

I'm a really affectionate person so it's hard to imagine someone who doesn't want that in their life and mean it If it works for you great..there's a great peace in knowing who you are and what you want in life.


I think that too often, people forget that not everyone NEEDS that kind of feedback in a relationship to thrive [:)]




Icarys -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/19/2008 10:41:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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You have to understand something about me though; I am the kind of person who thrives in a relationship that MOST would call unhealthy.


Believe me I know that feeling lol.

I'm a really affectionate person so it's hard to imagine someone who doesn't want that in their life and mean it If it works for you great..there's a great peace in knowing who you are and what you want in life.


I think that too often, people forget that not everyone NEEDS that kind of feedback in a relationship to thrive [:)]

Isn't that the truth.




Padriag -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/20/2008 5:58:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: Padriag
And yes, I am presently single, but that has a lot more to do with a choice to focus on my businesses until they're running more smoothly, rather than trying to develop a relationship at a difficult point in my life which just increases the odds it will fail.


Well, with me, your creditibility isn't in question. I assure you of that. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/image/s2.gif[/image]

Well not with you maybe... I'm sure it would be with others, which is to be expected.


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That's cool. It is very much my way with women I have been with, because I am the one who makes the decisions. So it is always my way.

But my way isn't completely static nor inflexible. It has and will continue to change based on the individuality of the girl I am with, because for it not to change and not to mold to some degree or another would be basically trying to jab a square peg in a round hole over and over again.

I'm very much influenced and effected by the limits, needs, wants, moods, opinions, issues, struggles, dilemnas, and concerns of the person I am with.

I highlighted three statements.  You do realize the second and third contradict the first?  If you are compromising to suit someone else, then to that extent its their way.  This is what most people do... they compromise in relationships so that its partly one person's way, partly the other person's.  Since that's the prevalent mode of relationships in the western world, doing so within a D/s relationship will increase the odds of it succeeding or of finding compatability because this is the mode that most people have already been culturally conditioned for.

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 Now this often gets labeled as "weak Dominance", but I consider it to be strong leadership.

I don't view it as either... I view it as a personal choice in style.  Its one you made for your own personal reasons because you feel it is what is most likely to work best for you.  Its not mine nor anyone else's place to question or ridicule that, unless you invite such examination first.  Someone who does so anyway is showing their own insecurity.

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Compatibility for me isn't a bullseye a girl either hits or doesn't hit, but basically the entire target board. There is some room for inaccurate hits and we can keeping going, but if they start sailing way past the board, the game is going to be over eventually.

Do you consider this to be similar or different to how you approach relationships?

To continue your metaphor... I'm using a much smaller target board.  Naturally that means fewer girls will be able to "hit" it, but those that do will be more of what I really want.

Let's discuss that last point a bit more, specifically that last phrase, "more of what I really want."  We all have an ideal of what we want, that mental concept of an ideal submissive / slave / dominant / owner / etc.  We could debate how realistic those concepts but that isn't really the point.  The point is, we all have an ideal of what we want.  Competing against that is the desire for companionship.  The result is, each of us makes a choice about where and how much we are willing to compromise each... where it is between the two we strike a balance.  If we thought of it as a scale like so...

Ideal companion .............. | ................. Companionship

We each find our "happy medium" somewhere in between the two... some might lean more towards that ideal companion... others more towards companionship.  More of one necessarily means giving up more of the other.  In other words... if you compromise more on that ideal companion you will gain a greater likelihood of companionship (via increased compatibility).  If you give up more of the likelihood of companionship, you are more likely to get that ideal companion (i.e. holding out for just what you want).  And any combination of choices in between.  None of them are objectively right or wrong... its all a very personal and therefore very subjective choice.  We each decide what works for us and no one else has a right to gainsay that (though many do anyway).

I said before, however, that I'm cheating at the odds.  Like most things in life its not as simple as a polar scale, there are other variables.  One of those is desirability which can offset being demanding.  In other words... being demanding and unwilling to compromise much on what we want makes us less desirable, and if not offset by something else, this reduces the likelihood of finding companionship.  However, if we make ourselves more desirable in other ways, for example, by offering other appealing aspects... we raise the likelihood of finding companionship... without compromising that ideal companion, or at least not compromising it as much.  We can increase our desirability in various way... improving our appearance (working out, getting buff, etc.; dressing to impress), improving our personal appeal (charisma, flexability, learning to express ourselves in someone elses "love language", or respond to theirs, etc.), and improving other aspects that make us more desirable.  What exactly these aspects are often get debated, and part of the problem is that different things appeal to different people to different degrees... which makes it rather complicated.  We can narrow it down a bit... most women are more likely to desire certain things than most men... and vice versa (i.e. appearance generally matters more to men than to women, personality often matters more to women than to men, etc.).  Submissives are more likely to find certain things appealing than dominants, and vice versa (i.e. the obvious that submissives find someone who is controlling appealing, whereas a dominant would react negatively to such).  The better we are at identifying what potential companions like and adopting some or all of that, the more we increase our odds of finding companionship.  The better we identify what our ideal companion will be attracted too, the more we increase our odds of finding that ideal companion.  Its all relative.

So... I'm being a demanding prick these days... but I'm also working to increase my desirability in various ways in order to "cheat" the odds.  Net result is that I'm holding out for something pretty close to my ideal, while carefully considering what my ideal companion might be attracted too and what of that I'm willing to adopt.  I'm not willing to compromise what I want, but I am willing to change other aspects of my lifestyle to increase my odds of finding that companion; meaning that things will have to be my way and she'll have to accept my "love language", etc., but I am working to improve other aspects such as my appearance, financial stability, emotional stability, etc. because I perceive these things to be likely to be appealing to my ideal companion.  Which just leaves the question of how accurate my perceptions are... and that is debateable. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/image/s4.gif[/image]

From what you describe it sounds like you're doing something like this...
You're willing to compromise on that ideal companion to some degree in order to increase the odds finding companionship... so you're more to the right of me on the scale I illustrated above.  Doing so also increases your general compatibility via flexibility which improves your desirability.  What else you might be doing to increase your desirability, and therefore your odds you haven't said and I won't assume.  This means you're less likely to get that ideal companion (though its still possible) than I am... but depending on how well I've compensated my desirability in other ways, you may or may not be more likely to find companionship.

However... in the end its all still a crap shoot and we're all playing the odds.  That's life.  Its not about right or wrong, its just about what works for each of us.  When I was younger I was much more willing to give up or compromise on my ideal companion in order to gain companionship... the older I get, the less I've been willing to do so, and at this point I'm not willing to compromise that much at all.  I've also noted that the nature of that ideal companion has changed, but that has been due to internal changes rather than as a response to the women in my life.  But that's just being human... we're such funny creatures ya know. 





JustDarkness -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/20/2008 6:02:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

You see it as limiting and I see it as compatibility.



You see compatibility.... and I seek to maximize success in finding that compatibility.


same thing..different words?




Padriag -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/20/2008 6:13:03 AM)

Geez... that post turned out way longer than I expected!  LOL




JustDarkness -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/20/2008 6:20:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

Geez... that post turned out way longer than I expected!  LOL


when will the book be out?




KnightofMists -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/20/2008 6:21:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

You see compatibility.... and I seek to maximize success in finding that compatibility.


same thing..different words?


far from the same thing.... One is about understanding what you want (compatibility)  the other is finding what you want (success). 

as Icarys stated
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  there's a great peace in knowing who you are and what you want in life


I just happen to think that it is better to have what you know you want.




Icarys -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/20/2008 6:51:17 AM)

A little winded but a great post lol.




Padriag -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/20/2008 6:51:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

Geez... that post turned out way longer than I expected!  LOL


when will the book be out?

LOL... its been suggested... personally I'm thinking of going straight for the movie rights, maybe direct to market DVD. [;)]




Icarys -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/20/2008 6:56:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

You see compatibility.... and I seek to maximize success in finding that compatibility.


same thing..different words?


far from the same thing.... One is about understanding what you want (compatibility)  the other is finding what you want (success). 

as Icarys stated
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  there's a great peace in knowing who you are and what you want in life


I just happen to think that it is better to have what you know you want.

See Padriag's post. Ideal companion ...... | ......................... Companionship

I agree with you, it would be better to have what I know I want but it may take awhile.
(I've actually had it before just made a mistake which I won't repeat.)

I have no problem waiting for whatever time is needed to find something similar again.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/20/2008 7:25:34 AM)

I look at this love language stuff like lovemaking or even kink.

If a partner of mine is talented in something I don't enjoy, I have two choices, ignore that talent and let it go to waste or learn to appreciate it and make my life richer and more full of joy.  Doesn't exactly seem like a difficult choice to me.

If I need something from a partner that she is not skilled at giving, I could dump an otherwise worthwhile partner, or teach her that skill.  Frankly, I kind of thought that was what dominance was all about?

Same goes for me, if my partner is "pleasured" by something I don't know how to do, whether that is getting A's in school or doing needleplay, you bet your sweet ass I am going to learn. 

If I love doing something that she doesn't yet have an appreciation of, you can bet I am going to reshape her so that she can appreciate what I love to give.

Now please don't take any of the above as my saying I do any of this flawlessly but it is most certainly now a goal for me.  And the concept of love languages doesn't describe anything new but it does give us better languages for talking about and discussing these things.

BSB's issues with me that caused our breakup were not exactly around these issues but you could make they case they were but my issues with her were dead center on this stuff.  I hadn't realized how important acts of service were to her and you can bet I am going to try and wrap some of the things she needed to see me doing (excelling and working through school faster) around some concept of service.  It inspires me to excel and take on more and it will feed her at a core level.

To me, hitting a partner's love language as close to the bulls-eye as possible is just one more way to bind them to you, to make them so happy they will do anything you desire.  Life is funny because you could easily look at what I just wrote as "service" but it is something that fulfills me to do but I have always hated flogging because I see it as "service" to the submissive.  Oh, and I was given a flogger for my birthday and am looking forward to breaking her, I mean it in.  Life is just kind of funny that way sometimes.




KnightofMists -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/20/2008 7:42:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Padriag


Ideal companion .............. | ................. Companionship



This idea doesn't actually address Success in having that relationship in the first place.

In fact... I would say that there is an inverse relationship.  The further you get away from your ideal companion the probability of success goes down.  Now remember... I define success as a person having what they deem as a Quality relationship... Quality being a subjective to their own perferences.

People talk about settling or not settling all the time.  In the end... Really the only question that matters are you going to have what you consider is a quaility relationship with the person... If it is... go for it... if not.. keep looking.

In the end... what are your Results?  You can define your idea companion to the finest detail.... It really doesn't matter if in the end it's still just on paper.  When a person is active in a relationship... it doesn't matter if they are idea or not... what matters is a person having a quality relationship with their partner and if the answer is no.. then the next question with be "Why".  The whole Idea of the this thread is to promote that Quality and just maybe for some the Why is a lack of communication of their love languages... which is a learned skill... it's just another Tool to make the effort to have a Quality relationship.




Icarys -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/20/2008 7:49:09 AM)

Michael:
Just looking for some clarification again. You and Bossy are together?




leadership527 -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/20/2008 9:10:17 AM)

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I go with option C. We both go to concerts and maybe we both find a new taste of music that we can appreciate through self discovery. Or maybe we don't and we both venomously hate each other's music.

So then I go to option D) find some way to we both can enjoy our music without exposing the other person to it so we are both happy.


Actually *laughs* You missed the important part of how this actually works out in a loving relationship. At least for my wife and I, when it gets down to a final realization that despite our best efforts, that *shivers* stuff that they like is just awful.... well... then the humor of the whole situation sets in. So then rather than becoming an irritant for the rest of our lives, it becomes a delightful joke we share between us.

peanut butter, horse radish, catsup on rye... *shudders* I mean seriously... wouldn't that be a hard limit for ANYONE? It's hard to believe I love that woman anyway.




JustDarkness -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/20/2008 9:14:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Michael:
Just looking for some clarification again. You and Bossy are together?


look at his signature  ;) there is a little hint




Icarys -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/20/2008 9:37:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Michael:
Just looking for some clarification again. You and Bossy are together?


look at his signature  ;) there is a little hint

I'd prefer not to guess or assume. I see a lot of things like that in a number of different sigs's for posters.




JustDarkness -> RE: Communicating our love in our lifestyle relationships (10/20/2008 9:41:03 AM)

then I help you

"yes" they belong together


lol no guessing...but trying to understand life  :P
I would call that guessing too...lol
(just teasing)




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