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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 1/30/2006 4:50:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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Like the other women have said, I don't like the term BBW. I never heard that until I started going on the internet, but I guess it's better then lardass.


Same here. I personally hate labels of any kind, no matter what they are ( BBW, thin, skinny, model material...caucasion, white, black, african american...pfft...labels are EVIL EVIL EVIL ) The only use I can see for a label is to distinguish oneself above or below another.

On that same note...why does a person feel the need to label themselves in ANY way? Not being sarcastic...generally curious


Well the word label is a label, as is the term woman. Labels help describe what we are like: I am a tall woman, I am a short woman, It is a blue sky. I think what people tend to mean (I'm not saying it s what you mean) by being against labels is being against what people read into labels rather than being against the label itself.

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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 1/30/2006 5:14:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

HAC (here's a clue):

Once you post something in public, it ceases to be under your direct control. Threads can and will be taken in whatever ways the people who post want to take them. That is the way of the cyberland board discussion.

I responded to the "how's it going for you." The answer: For most people it's going exactly the same as it does in the big wide world of non-kink.



Ya what was I thinking. Manners in short supply and all. I try to adhere to the topic at hand when posting. Occasionally I may stray, but never in the distance this topic has. I certainly would not continue to try and debate or hijack someones thread after they clarified the original OP.

I have been here awhile, and I have noticed some differences between this site and others. You see I also moderate at a simuliar lifestyle website and it's interesting to see the differences in the way moderating takes place or the inter action between members. If you read the Forum AUP here you may note that hijacking is frowned upon. But like you said that's the way of cyberland,lol. I guess a web forum is only as good as its members.

Oddly enough, I followed your posts in other threads with interest. I actually hoped you would contribute here in some way( I Didn't think you were a BBW though), because I had grown fond of your responses and thoughts. You seemed reasonable and bright.

Sadly I see that even you can find yourself trying to justifying the very behaviour, you seem to dislike in others, but exhibit willingly when it pleases you.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that asking people about how they've been doing out here was concidered a silly question. How else should someone get an idea of what people of a simuliar stature or possition are like or interested in? Is that not the very essence of the forum board? Should we all pass our ideas by you first? Not.

With that, enough said. Trash me all you want. I will not be dragged into some school yard squable over whos rules apply to this sand box or whos ideas are better then whos. But I must ask, if you feel so strong about the BBW label, why not start your own thread and debate the hell out of it?

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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 1/31/2006 5:50:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyElizabeth
I have been here awhile, and I have noticed some differences between this site and others. You see I also moderate at a simuliar lifestyle website and it's interesting to see the differences in the way moderating takes place or the inter action between members. If you read the Forum AUP here you may note that hijacking is frowned upon. But like you said that's the way of cyberland,lol. I guess a web forum is only as good as its members.


So you insult ALL of us, 'cause your thread took off in a few interesting directions?

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Manners in short supply and all.


Couldn't agree more!

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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 1/31/2006 1:35:02 PM   
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As one of the guys...

BHM just sounds kinda weak. I say I'm a big guy, and if I dount the point has gotten accross I say "think Farley not Shaq".

Buuuuuut what are my expereinces like in the lifestyle? Well, jst like outside it I have a harder time finding partners than a non-fat guy. I don't even think twice about that fact. Some of it is the weight and some of it is from the blow to the old self confidence (aboutt the weight). On the other hand, with a VERY few exceptions I don't feel ostricized when out and about in the community, even in clothing optional environments. My lack of exhibitionism and public play is on MY side, not that people would flee the room. And women I have been involved with over the years have been into me for more than my body (and dealt very nicely with any invonvenience).

So while it has definately not been a plus to be so damn big, I find it easier at a BDsM event than at work.

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ORIGINAL: LadyElizabeth

Just curious as to how many BBW's there are out here and what their experiences have been like. Good or bad. Or any advice that you might wish to share would be awsome.

In the same thought. how about you BHM? I wouldn't want to leave you gorgeous guys out,lol. Anything you have to say would be just as valuable.



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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 1/31/2006 2:07:11 PM   
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So you insult ALL of us, 'cause your thread took off in a few interesting directions?


I think she was referring to a specific person.

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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 1/31/2006 2:44:26 PM   
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As I have come to like this site as much as a canker sore. Due largely to people like you that think it's ok to bully your point across, this will be my last post. Ya I know, good riddence. Right?

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

HAC (here's a clue):

Once you post something in public, it ceases to be under your direct control. Threads can and will be taken in whatever ways the people who post want to take them. That is the way of the cyberland board discussion.

I responded to the "how's it going for you." The answer: For most people it's going exactly the same as it does in the big wide world of non-kink.


I read the OP twice, just to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Still I could find no call for any of this. Then when the original poster asks just to keep on topic, you take that as an afront to your way of posting. Wow. Now I'm no huge fan of the term BBW, even though that is a good term to describe me. I think Lady Elizabeth was just trying to get a feel for how many woman of a larger then playboy stereo type stature were kicking around here. I now her intensions were not to start a war over a silly acronym, or how people feel about it. So for civilty's sake just mention that you CHOOSE not to use that term to describe yourself, but you have found this BDSM world to be a wonderful place, or not. And move on.

HAC for you Lucky. Just because you have the ablity to take a thread off topic does not make it right. That is such a unique and endearing American theory and trate, just because one has the ablity to do something, that means they must therefore have the right to do it. And still you wounder why most of the free world looks at you with such distain.

I must ask you though Lucky. Do you write American foriegn policy, becuase your reasoning sounds just like GW's. I can therefore I have the right to and I will. You think right along with those you protest against.

BTW, here's a news flash hunny, no you don't have the right. You have the ablity to, but you lack the manners, civility or moral values to acknowledge the difference between ablity and right. A good trate to have learnt along with that "ablity" would have been restraint or self control or perhaps a little compassion or empathy.

To finally answer your question Lady Elizabeth, I have met some extremely wonderful people out here. Even a few from this site too, but they are few and far between here.

And in my last breath. To all those that will no doubt flame the hell out of me for my comments. Bite me. If the truth hurts, go look in the mirror. That's the person you should be mad at. Not me. BTW, I don't think all Americans are bullys, and dispite how you guys are viewed on the world stage, I have always been treated well when I've been down south. But like in any culture, country, city or town, there is always one loud mouth that dips the brush that paints you all.

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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 1/31/2006 4:24:19 PM   
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Not only did my use of the perfectly harmless term BBW offend so many, but now when I question the quality of the membership here, I'm being insulting?

I could have sworn so many of you posted to another thread I started here, that these places were full of trolls and half wits as well as honest people. Umm so which is it. Is everyone here tip top notch, or are there a few imperfections?

Hailey thanks for the help, but I doubt your comments will lend any real aid to me here. Perhaps if you threw a grenade at me after you pulled the pin, would have helped me more.

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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 1/31/2006 6:13:50 PM   
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Geez people. This is just an internet forum. Surely there are more important things to worry about in the world...

Be well,
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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 2/1/2006 2:16:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyJulieAnn

Geez people. This is just an internet forum. Surely there are more important things to worry about in the world...

Be well,
Julie



Yes, thank you. That is my point entirely. I merely wanted to start something fun and uplifting not what this has turned into.


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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 2/1/2006 2:26:56 PM   
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The average American woman is 5'5" tall, weighs 142 lbs, and is 44 years old. The average American woman wears a size 14 dress.


So I'm above average in all categories, cool.

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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 2/1/2006 3:04:20 PM   
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I have always been accepted in my local BDSM community. The fact that I am a larger than average sized woman has not seemed to affect that. The intimate relationships I've had have been rewarding and for the most part very loving. The one lifestyle drawback of my size is the inability sometimes to participate in certain activities. Rope suspension? Uh, I don't think so. Kneeling for a long period of time without moving? Can you say "I can't get up."? But there are usually other ways to get what we need/want.

If I am attempting to connect with someone online before an actual face to face meet I always make it clear that I am short and fat because it's a fact folks, not everyone is into fat girls. And that's okay, everyone has their preferences. Those who have gotten to know me have been very lucky indeed.



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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 2/6/2006 5:28:54 AM   
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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 3/17/2006 8:04:16 PM   
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Being a BBW has not stopped me from being a sexy woman.....
Many men find me attractive and sensual.....You just need to find the right men that are mature enough to appreciate the qualities of a BBW. There are chat room dedicated to us, dances are held in honor of us and our admirers. We are no longer the minority ladies. This is no reasdon to let ourself become unhealthy. Eat right and exercise be healthy and have fun.

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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 3/18/2006 12:07:29 AM   
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Oh boy.. Along with several others who fit the "BBW" category but hate that word/abbreviation.. I too am large. I've always been large. I put my real weight up there on my profile (though its probably incorrect right now as I've been losing weight).

I used to lie about my weight, as I have never actually looked my weight. Actually, at 190lbs, I was told by the cop that pulled me over that I needed to change the weight on my drivers license (it said 190) as it was obviously wrong and misleading. At size 14, I was 180lbs. My stomach was flat, my arms trim, and I was a hottie. Proportional but still big. Right now, I'm a size 20W at 255lbs.

As long as my partner is ok with my look/weight.. I'm cool with it. If he's not.. he can go fuck himself.

Yes "women's size" clothing starts at 14W. Usually women's sizes are cut a bit larger than regular sizes, so if you wear a 18 you'd probably fit a 16W.

There are many reasons why a person is fat which have nothing to do with laziness. I have several reasons for my size, but I'm not letting them be an excuse. I am trying to overcome them. Whether or not I succeed should not be a requirement for love or approval of others. It is my personal battle.

Genetics - I am genetically large. I take after my father's side which is big boned and muscular.

Two years ago, after damaging my feet horribly, I found out I have a birth defect in my feet. Since so much damage has been done, I am only able to be on my feet for around 4 hours per day before I am in dire pain.

A year and half ago I was diagnosed with PCOS, and started a diet regimen of low carbs. About the same time I discovered that I had an eating addiction. This wasn't a psychological addiction.. but an actual physical addiction cause by food allergies (which was causing my PCOS symptoms btw as well). Everytime I ate something with a particular food in it (no matter how small amt of that food) I would uncontrollably binge eat for the next 6 hours, usually selecting quick foods, junk foods, things with lots of sugar or high glycemic index.. which also tended to contain the particular food to which I am allergic. Much like a junkie seeks too contain his high.

There are many reasons that people are the way they are.. Either love them for who they are.. Or find someone else.

My experiences in the BDSM world.. I've found that the men (and others) in this lifestyle have been much more accepting of people's exteriors.


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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 3/18/2006 1:25:59 AM   
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First a disclaimer:

What I am about to say is in reference to ONLY MYSELF. They are my beliefs that I hold for myself and I do not seek nor do I attempt to impose *my* POV on others and I don't think less of them because they might view this differently and embrace what works ... for *them*. This post is in NO way, shape or form a commentary or remark on ANYONE else BUT me.

I dislike BBW. And fluffy, plump, and every other cute or coined term or phrase that folks tend to use when trying to delicately describe someone that is overweight.

I am FAT. F. A. T. - FAT. lol.

I do not wish to call it something other than it is, nor do I wish to put it in a what many folks perceive as a nicer way to call it. It is my belief that for myself, if I start calling it something cute or coy, that I am helping to delude myself of the very real fact that I am fat.

And I am. Fat, that is. I embrace the truth not because I like what my weight is at now, but because I refuse to mask it or hide it or deny it or cloud or make light of it or in any way cause me to think or see it as anything but what the cold hard realistic truth is.

For me, it is about being honest (and again, because I could see this being the ONLY thing someone sees in this post, lol - I am NOT saying that folks that see it differently are lying or not being honest. This post - once again - is ONLY if reference to MYSELF). With myself, with the world, with other people.

I kind of look at it that if I don't LIKE the truth of me being fat then I should get off my ass and DO something about it. Then again, for me, it IS I feel fully reversable. I don't have an overeating issue, in fact it is the reverse. Something that is VERY difficult for me to overcome is the fact that in order for me to LOSE weight, I have to eat. And eat a LOT compared to what I have been eating and am currently eating. I just have a REALLY hard time wrapping my brain that for me, a fat person, to get my metabolism going, that I have to literally triple my caloric intake (in a healthy way obviously) and eat 6 meals a day - EVEN IF I'M NOT HUNGRY. I just have a really hard time forcing myself to eat when I'm not hungry and that's what I'm supposed to be doing along with exercise.

So for me, I like saying it blunt - I don't find anything negative in the word fat nor do I view it as a judgmental word to use, it's just an adjective, and it's the truth, so how could I possibly find a truthful adjective hurtful when I can change it? (again in case anyone missed the first two times I said this - I refer only to myself and my personal situation)

That being said, I really haven't had ANY negative situation happen due to my weight.

Of course that would most likely be because of my outlook. When someone calls me fat or tries to use it as an insult, it is ineffective and doesn't work, because I already know it and embrace it as a current truth for my body at this time in my life and stating the obvious really holds little power over me or my feelings or emotional state in general.

When someone tries to wield it as a weapon, I'm able to sincerely laugh from the heart and respond with a "Duh, genius." I mean hello, I'm fat - I'm not oblivious LOL. It completely defuses them, and since that weapon has no power to affect me they are left with little else - after all when someone can only come up with a lame fat insult, it just shows how little power and imagination they have. I mean hell, if you are going to try to insult me at least have the decency to be original or somewhat creative. LOL.

And really anyone that focuses THAT much on my body in such a negative way isn't a person I want around me anyway. I consider it rather nice as a filter to sort through that type of person and to be able to keep them out of my surroundings because THAT kind of mentality isn't going to do ME a lick of good. *I* prefer positive people around me, ones that rather than trying to be negative or drag me down, support me in my efforts to gain my health and body back and HELP me achieve my goal, not try to make it harder, or seek to undermine me and my efforts and hamper my chances for success.

So they are actually doing me a favor - by exposing their inability to be a constructive force and energy in my life and help to enable me to change for the better so that I can simply cut them out and move on.

So as a result of that - I find all my experiences to be good, merely because I don't focus that much or give any credence or power to the negative and dismiss it as being not worth my time or energy, and rather spend my enery on those that are positive forces and influences, for THOSE are the ones that help me.

I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else but me, LOL, but there ya have it.

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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 3/18/2006 2:11:31 AM   
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ShadeDiva - Very well said.

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Then again, for me, it IS I feel fully reversable. I don't have an overeating issue, in fact it is the reverse. Something that is VERY difficult for me to overcome is the fact that in order for me to LOSE weight, I have to eat. And eat a LOT compared to what I have been eating and am currently eating. I just have a REALLY hard time wrapping my brain that for me, a fat person, to get my metabolism going, that I have to literally triple my caloric intake (in a healthy way obviously) and eat 6 meals a day - EVEN IF I'M NOT HUNGRY. I just have a really hard time forcing myself to eat when I'm not hungry and that's what I'm supposed to be doing along with exercise.


I also commiserate with what you said here. I was actually told by an idiot doctor once that I needed to go on a 1200 calorie diet once, because obviously since I was fat I was eating way too much food. As it turned out, I went on the 1200 calorie diet and gained weight. My body went into starvation mode and it made my metabolism worse.

Took me a while to realize that the preachers of "you eat too much, thats why you're fat" were wrong. For me, I was just eating the wrong things (and not that much of those even). Now I can eat myself silly of all the right things (well so far anyway) and I'm losing weight. (To tell you the truth I haven't even plugged in that much exercise either).


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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 3/18/2006 3:26:24 AM   
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I just am having a REALLY hard time with that.

I barely remember to eat TWICE a day. And I'm supposed to remember to eat SIX times? I'm nearly never freaking hungry! It just seems REALLY wrong to eat when you are fat when you aren't hungry at all. LOL! It's a HUGE mental block and I have a REALLY hard time getting around it and I haven't managed to be successful yet.

Freaking annoying. LOL.

As for exercise, I am doing okay though I could do better. I keep saying I need to find a gung ho physical trainer submissive LOL. Mostly because I *know* my form sucks ass, and that I'm not working out effectively or efficiently since it's been decades since I did weights. It would be nice to have someone that was "in the know" to tell me to tuck in my elbow when I forget and to remind me to keep my knees in line and that I'm slacking on my posture, etc. Plus I always feel so dumb around the blasted machines especially when I know I'm being sloppy and I don't think I'm really using them efficiently or correctly. Wind up doing far more cardio than I do weights, which isn't ideal. Ah well. Better than nothing, I guess. LOL

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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 3/18/2006 5:00:19 AM   
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I thought this thread was interesting. Im sure I'll be in trouble for threadjacking after Im done saying what I need to say, so sorry in advance.

Im 5'6 and weigh 130. I think I'm fat. An extra 3 pounds slows me way down. When I gain this kind of weight I mostly go "uck. I'm fat". And I mean it. I have a completely warped view of my body. And this thread did have people talking about their personal comfort levels with their bodies. So its big or small we all have female "issues".

To make matters worse, I walk into a store and can't even find clothes to fit me, because its hard to find size 6's anymore. Plus size's are easy to find, wherever I go. Its like the fashion world has reversed itself. I am the minority.

I feel funny sometimes, because I see very few women anymore that have my body type. I am a small woman in a big womans world, yet I am fat inside my head. I'm not sure if it's becuase thats mostly what I see, and somewhere way down inside, I might think heavy set is the norm. I just cant say.

Whereas I think Im a fat person in a thin body, my plus size friends actually think of themselves as thin, inside a fat body. Whew! We sure are a confused lot at times!

Like a lot of you though, I do have a man in my life who is kinder to me about my body than I am to myself. So I must continually try and keep myself in the best shape that I can, as long as I figure somebody might see me with my clothes off! lolol Go figure.

Thanks for the good thread folks! xoxoxo Sophia

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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 3/18/2006 6:32:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

I Like using the term BBW, as it gets a couple of points across clear: 1) I am not small. 2) I'm large size and DAMN proud of who I am. It also has another bonus. It rids me from the beginning of contact by the judgmental pond scum who are so shallow all they see is the shape and not the individusl shining through. I mean... who needs 'em?

To answer the original poster, aside from the occasional troll now and then who send me stupid messages like "Aren't you a little heavy to be a Domme?" (to which I think, "Huh?!"), I've actually had no problems whatsoever. I have never had anyone say or look askance at me at parties, I've had men begging at my feet to worship me, or to have me spank their cute butts, and my weight has never entered into the picture at all, one way or the other. In fact, there are almost as many BBW's at the parties I've been to as there have been HWP women, and every bit as much in demand as their slimmer sisters!


Hello Ma'am

i cannot tell You how many times i had Doms or vanilla men ask me for clarification on the term *BBW*, lots asked does it mean you are 20lbs overweight???????? I was like duhhhhhhhhhhhh, how stupid can they be, more like ignorant, so i have found out that just by saying i am BBW it doesnt cut it, so i have to be really specific with them and wish them have a nice day and bye.

I will not waste my time with ppl like that, its all

I do find it quite funny though of how much ignorance there is still in today's society, but that is only me

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RE: BBW's in a BDSM world - 3/18/2006 7:31:31 AM   
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A good many of my female friends fit the BBW label. Over the last 4 decades I’ve dated as many BBW as I have women who could be models or top athletes. Point is most of them had something special which attracted me to them.. So many of the larger ladies have dressed better than those girls who can toss anything on and look good and have has an additional wow factor. The thing I look for is not body shape or size, but what the person is. If you are basically a happy person with a wacky SoH and actually like me then we are off to a flying start..

For me, I'm a little oversized at the moment but keep dropping pants sizes which is good.. Younger I may have been a good looking bloke but these days with a few additional pounds (due to not being able to be as active as I would like) and the almost white hair, and wrinkles on my face (Time in the Aussie sun you realize and not age). Makes me think of how Charles Bronson got better looking with his craggy physgog (face). Sheesh these days I don’t even make the top million good looking guys in Aussie.. The kangaroos and Koalas even beat me (Roars with laughter). I'm just a happy 6’4” 137Kg (aprox 290lbs) Coffee drinking Grizzly….

Experiences in the scene? I rarely am in the scene.. Have no comments to make there.


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