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slaveboyforyou -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 4:58:44 AM)

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Actually..you are wrong that i follow blindly, SlaveBoy. I do not. But there is no room in my life for prejudice. I tolerate it from no one around me...beginning with myself.

And it is wonderful to live in the state of mind i have...as i harbor no bitterness. Perhaps one day you will be able to say the same.


Prejudice?  You're right, how dare I be outraged that people are right now serving 30-Life for marijuana convictions.  How dare I be outraged that police officers routinely use deception to frame innocent people for crimes,  How dare I be outraged that guys sitting on death row for 20 years are repeatedly being exonerated by DNA evidence, but the prosecutors and police refuse to issue official apologies.  Our world is so perfect.  I should just bend over like the rest of you and take it in the ass without complaint. 




sirsholly -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 4:59:14 AM)

Loki...have i told you lately i adore you?


Slaveboy...prejudice is another name for FEAR. The more you babble, the more your cowardice presents itself.




Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 5:01:48 AM)

You know, it's just occured to me that no matter how much I write, or how well thought-out my response, you will simple reply....

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
Like I said several times.....cop groupie. 


As I have no interest in trying to hold a mature debate with a 10-year-old who replies by placing his fingers in his ears and calling me a cop groupie repeatedly, you may now debate with the wall. You'll have a wonderful time......birds of a feather, and all that.





slaveboyforyou -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 5:02:03 AM)

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Slaveboy...prejudice is another name for FEAR. The more you babble, the more your cowardice presents itself.


Yeah, and blind acceptance is just another word for being servile.  When they kick your door down or your kid's door down, I hope you feel as confident.  I don't trust the government.  It's not a prejudice, it's an obligation as a member of a republic. 




Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 5:03:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly
Loki...have i told you lately i adore you?


Nope, but I'm sure that's just because you don't know me. It's when you really get to know me that you can really despise me. [:D]




sirsholly -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 5:03:40 AM)

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As I have no interest in trying to hold a mature debate with a 10-year-old who replies by placing his fingers in his ears and calling me a cop groupie repeatedly, you may now debate with the wall. You'll have a wonderful time......birds of a feather, and all that.
bet i hit the "hide" button before you did!!![:)]




Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 5:10:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly
bet i hit the "hide" button before you did!!![:)]


Well of course. I try not to use that button. It makes it hard to point and laugh at the crazy people.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 5:11:45 AM)

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Sure, laugh now. I recall the post where you said you pull over to the side of the road and cry whenever you visit your criminal friend.


Am I laughing?  Excuse me for showing compassion for a fellow human being.  I know that doesn't wash in your small, black and white vision of the world.

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Between cops and criminals, I'd pick cops any day. You clearly choose criminals.


Yeah you're right, I am such a criminal.  Come and get me ya dirty coppers!

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Actually you did. You said you would personally acquit anyone charged with a crime that was non-violent, thus spitting in the face of countless people who came before you (and actually served their country, state or community). You would side with people who victimize others, so long as they don't punch them in the face in the process.


I stated a political opinion, and I stand by it.  I guess you've never actually taken a position on anything in your entire life.  You just accept whatever the Man tells you.  Independent thought is a mystery to you. 

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At this point in this thread, this statement from you is hilarious. You do NOTHING but point fingers at the big, bad cops.


Yep, and you love to believe the hype from the cops.  You really believe that the cops are outgunned and backed into a corner.  You believe everything they tell you, like a good little prole. 

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But.....drunk driving is non-violent, right? Who cares that an innocent victim is smeared all over the road by someone who has multiple convictions and yet still finds his way not only to drink but to get behind a wheel while drunk....I mean it's not like he shot someone, right? That *is* your view, right? We should tell cops to back off those poor poor drunk drivers because after all, they're not beating someone up...they're just trying to get home, right?


I mentioned several examples of common behavior that could land you in jail.  Glad to see you avoided all except one.  You never drove drunk, well whoopee for you.  I guess you never been in a fight, stole anything, did drugs, etc.  Do you live in a monastery? 




Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 5:17:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly
bet i hit the "hide" button before you did!!![:)]


See my point? It's no fun when you click hide. If you do, you can't see that they clearly try and continue the debate when you've made it painfully clear you're done with them. That's probably one of my biggest chuckles... the way they keep 'trying to win' long after they've been dismissed.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 5:20:29 AM)

LOL, y'all are putting me on hide huh?  I win by default then.  Thanks.  [:D]




barelynangel -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 5:27:29 AM)

Fast Reply ---I do know what goes on behind the scenes and yes cops are just like most humans there are good and bad, nice personality and not.  I also know the pain inside of these guys when they don't reach someone fast enough from an asshole suspect, i know what these guys go through when some asshole decides its okay to shoot at them, beat them up, make their job difficult because they don't want to take the ADULT responsibility for their actions and instead want to whine about how mean and out of line cops are.  i know how these guys have to distance themselves and create emotional blockers in their minds to protect themselves from the BS and crap people inflict on each other every minute of the day that yeah -- because of this it many times creates issues with their family and friend life.  I have seen the families who have to worry every day their loved ones go to work that wonder if they will come home and yeah, i knew a family who had the answer of no he wasn't.  I have seen the emotional scars these guys carry for life.  And the list goes on.... but you know what -- these guys don't see it as usually anything but doing their job, they take it all as part of the job along with everything else -- you know the things like generalizing, the come on bad cop let's see how bad you really are from people who want to somehow prove they are badder than the cops, etc.   AND most cops simply want to do their job and do it well.  Yeah some are assholes, and some aren't.   YEs i have seen cops get pissed, upset and lose their cool.  I have seen them be more human to people who don't deserve it all because they are trying their damnedest to do their job and not make it personal when some drunk asshole or some one who doesn't believe they should have to go to jail decides to beat them up, call them names, scream and yell and put the cop in danger such as this lady did when she refused to move back.  So yeah, i DO see the other side of cops.  Oh and just for the record i also know the people who GET arrested and all that goes with it.  And since i do know so many (yeah i know i need new friends lol) i DO know what happens the majority of the time -- the majority of the time if they are charges with anything beyond the initial crime its usually because they faught, were unruly, or wouldn't cooperate.  So yeah, i kinda have been in the station many in fact both in official capacity, as friends of cops and dealing with friends trying to get out of jail. 

Yeah, cops DO try and help vicitims, however, what they ALSO try and HAVE to do is stay as well as they can emotionally detached and impersonal.  Why?  because of all the victims of various crimes they deal with.  They -- for their own sanity -- can't and shouldn't get emotionally involved because then it becomes PERSONAL.  And then they are more apt to make mistakes or an error in judgment. And yeah, many times they grill the victim just as hard as they do the suspect because they HAVE too, MOST cops like to be sure they got the right guy.

Umm and Mike, you have a whole thread where you feel and advocated that a convicted criminal and it sure the hell seemed to me in that thread you weren't all too concern with the victim and instead felt your friend was what everyone should be concerned about. And it seems most of your bitterness comes because you have failed in the past to take personal responsibility and have been arrested and instead of saying yeah i fucked up, i had to have the cops arrest me... you now whine and generalize about cops because they don't pat you on the head.   You are incapable of seeing anything beyond the concept of cop and you sit here continuously with a few others generalizing and automatically stating the cops are wrong.  You are way to bias to ever judge any incident because you are incapable of seeing beyond your own prejudice.


Do i do everything the authorities tell me -- pretty much sure why not, but see i also don't need to be arrested lol. So i don't need to be belligerant, or rude, or obnoxious or fight them so they don't arrest me.  I have been guilty of being rude to them when they have given me a ticket and i wanted them to give me a break and they didn't.  i know a hell of a lot of cops and while a few get this -- i am god complex -- i would say that percentage of same is less than .25% of cops.  Yes many times rookies get out in the street and because they lack experience come across as trying to be "authority" and so at times the come across very robotic, but they come into their own. 

I am all for human rights but i will be damned if i advocate human rights when PEOPLE who are being arrested feel they can do any damn thing they want and then cry human rights when they are treated because that is the only option left for the cops like the animal they are acting like. 

This lady could have prevented ANY of this from happening -- all she had to do was do as she was told.  Sorry but when you are being arrested THAT is usually the BEST way to go and then you ---- tell it to the judge. 

You know i am glad this happened.  Glad because it shows that personal responsibility for your actions are important.  This lady lied to the public - maybe next time she will simply sign the ticket and/or calmly go to jail if she says take me to jail.  JUST and FYI, if you feel signing the ticket is an admission of guilt, simply sign the ticket and underneath it state -- this is a signature of appearing in court ONLY, and not an admission of any guilt to the citation.

You know people who alwasy whine and moan about how suspects are treated or convicted criminals i think if they put this much energy attempting to teach people how NOT to be criminals lol and felt personal responsibikity for your actions taught to people breaking the law maybe their would be less people in jail.  But i guess its more fun to blame the cops instead of advocating personal responsibility.


angel




thishereboi -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 5:35:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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The difference in question is that while you profess to love the constitution and the protection and due process it provides for citizens, you somehow feel that cops are not entitled to the same protection. You are a hater. You will always jump to the side opposite the cop no matter what. It's unfortunately very common. People like you are so quick to toss out that catch-phrase "innocent until proven guilty" yet when it comes to the cops, you say "guilty and fired regardless of innocence."

I find that sad. But again, it's expected. I've seen the threads where you profess a love for criminals and an out-right disdain for TRUE victims, so it's no surprise that you don't care for those who stand up for innocent victims.


Where have you seen a thread where I express love for criminals and disdain for victims?  Did you invent that in your own mind?  Where in your entire month of posting have you ever seen me express glee in a criminal victimizing a person?  I have adamantly supported the long term incarceration of all violent offenders.  I don't support our bullshit "war on drugs" or incarcerating non-violent offenders.  Please explain to me why I am wrong, Loki? 

Do you really believe
the cops stand up for victims?  Have you ever actually been in a police station when they were conducting business as usual?  I don't mean as a visitor, when they put on a show.  Have you ever had a friend or loved one incarcerated? 


What do you think they should do with non-violent offenders?




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 5:40:47 AM)

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Umm and Mike, you have a whole thread where you feel and advocated that a convicted criminal and it sure the hell seemed to me in that thread you weren't all too concern with the victim and instead felt your friend was what everyone should be concerned about.


Are you addressing me?  My name isn't Mike. 

As for the rest of your post; you don't like being a cop, than quit.  If you join the police department, and you thought you'd be a hero, than I'm sorry reality slapped you in the face.  Life isn't a melodrama with good guys and bad guys. 

I've seen cops on the take.  I've seen cops that were bullied all their lives and are looking for revenge.  I've seen cops that lie in court.  I've seen cops deliberately lie on police reports.  I've seen cops that turn their organizations into organized crime groups with their refusal to cross the blue line of silence.  Spare me, I'm not buying this poor me nonsense from the police.  Don't like it, than quit.  You don't like the Constitution, than don't take an oath to support it. 




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 5:45:46 AM)

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What do you think they should do with non-violent offenders?


House arrest, community service, fines, increased supervision for probation/parole violators, etc.  For drug offenders, I want a complete change in the laws.  Legalize drugs across the board and provide medical care for those that wish to quit.  Why do we see a difference between a heroin addict and an alcoholic?  Why do we support a trillion dollar pharmaceutical industry but make other drugs illegal?  Look into your history, if you want to answer those questions.  Think about how fair it is. 




barelynangel -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 5:49:19 AM)

sorry slaveboyforyou, i was talking to someone named mike on yahoo when i wrote that.

grins, i am NOT a cop never have been one never plan to be.  So your little diatribe here is off. 

laugh i just love your outlook lol instead of saying hey criminals and people committing crimes learn to take ADULT responsibility --- you advocate cops quiting a job they enjoy.  I never said cops complain about the side effects of the job, i simply explained what i see they go through.  

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As for the rest of your post; you don't like being a cop, than quit.  If you join the police department, and you thought you'd be a hero, than I'm sorry reality slapped you in the face.  Life isn't a melodrama with good guys and bad guys. 


Bursts out laughing so you advocate cops quitting but you don't advocate criminals and people who get arrested to stop doing things that get their asses arrested but are more content to whine about their treatement when they do. 

This is priceless -- seriously, perhaps just perhaps you should take the concept above and tell that to your criminal friends and yourself when you are arrested, if you don't like the results DON'T do things that will get your ass arressted TAKE responsibility when you do.  But again, that's to hard to do for you and your friends i guess, you'd much rather make melodrama about how " bad you are treated" when you do something against the law.  Which i highly doubt if you are honest with yourself is more your don't thinking you should be made to be responsible than any treatment you get.

Here's a hint -- criminals and people who get arrested most times CHOOSE to do what they do.  Just as cops choose to be cops.  So the idea is the same -- if you don't like the results of your choices, make different choices.

angel




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 5:53:33 AM)

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Bursts out laughing so you advocate cops quitting but you don't advocate criminals and people who get arrested to stop doing things that get their asses arrested but are more content to whine about their treatement when they do. 

This is priceless -- seriously, perhaps just perhaps you should take the concept above and tell that to your criminal friends and yourself when you are arrested, if you don't like the results DON'T do things that will get your ass arressted TAKE responsibility when you do.  But again, that's to hard to do for you and your friends i guess, you'd much rather make melodrama about how " bad you are treated" when you do something against the law.  Which i highly doubt if you are honest with yourself is more your don't thinking you should be made to be responsible than any treatment you get.

angel


What criminal friends?  Do you mean my ONE friend that was arrested for a white collar crime?  As for me, I haven't had so much as a speeding ticket since 2001.  Seriously, the last contact I had with police was forgetting to put my registration sticker on my license plate in 2001.  I work, I pay taxes, I vote, and I have every right that you do.  I'm sorry if my opinion doesn't jive with yours.  I'm not a sheep. 

Tell your police friends to stop breaking the law if they don't like being on the 6 o'clock news at night. 




barelynangel -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 6:12:12 AM)

Oh yeah you mean you have actually made the choice not to get arrested for what a whole 8 years -- good for you, give yourself a bozo button.  However, you were arrested in the past, yes?  a couple of times?  grins the cops i know have never negatively been on the news and again, i know a hell of a lot of them.  grins, so again your statement is kinda silly and need for lack of responsibility advocation for people who break the law.  Unfortunately, the cops i do know have been on the news trying to explain to a society how someone could have done something to someone else -- be it shooting a kid, breaking into a home and robbing it, making meth for selling, robbing a store, scamming people out of money, etc etc and the list goes onmuch worse than what i have listed here.


slaveboyforyou, as i said i know cops and yes a FEW out of MANY can be assholes.  And for the record, most cops do NOT advocate cops who are assholes because they are simply a cop.  NO ONE is debating that with you.  However, everytime this subject comes up that i see -- you are incapable of seeing beyond your prejudice for the SYSTEM which many agree should be changed, to understand that the cops have a job to do based on the LAW AS IT IS NOW.   When they encounter people like this lady, i don't feel they should have to take her crap and put their life in danger -- which this lady was doing to BOTH of them, i mean seriously -- on good shove at him by her, or a loss of footing for whatever reason by the cop he could have been killed by a passing car.  And i can damn well assure you if that lady had somehow gotten hurt or hit by a passing car she would be screaming lawsuit.  He did what he needed to do to contain the situation after MANY attempts to do his job. 

Do you HONESTLY believe that this cop or any cop should lose his life OR be harmed in any way because some lady or person believes she/he can do whatever she/he wants when a cop is attempting an arrest?  I personally believe cops should be capable of suing people who they arrest who cause them harm while they are attempting to do their duty.  I mean hell citizens can so i believe cops should be able too. 

Again, you never seem to reply when people speak of the people being arrested or charged or convicted of crimes actually having to take personal and adult responsibility for their actions and instead you want to make it easy for them.  And for the record all of what you advocate for non-violent offenses is already in place depending on what type of crime it was -- the issue becomes jail when people fail to follow the initial dictates of the court which doesn't place them in jail usually.  Again, usually its the actions of the person arrested that ends up landingthem in jail because they didn't think they have to follow the dictates of the court and then the courts make them take the adult responsibility for their actions. 

Next time perhaps they should try doing so on their own and the courts wouldn't have too.


angel




LafayetteLady -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 8:37:56 AM)

There are nearly 1 million active law enforcement officers in America.  On a yearly basis, you will read stories of less than 500 (probably even less than that) who are beating people up, on the take, etc.  Do the math.  It certainly doesn't come out to be a majority of the police population that is corrupt.  Likewise, figure out how many people are in prison, jail or on probation for violating some law and how many of those who are then found to be innocent based on DNA evidence.  Again, it is far from the majority. 

Like anything else, we don't hear about all the good things or the normal things.  We only hear the sensationalized things.  But statistically, the MAJORITY of police men go to work and do their job everyday.  Statistically, the MAJORITY of people under supervision of some sort did break the law, probably had more than their share of "breaks" before getting to where they are, and have been rightfully placed where they belong.

As for the concept of legalizing ALL drugs and offering medical treatment to those who wish to stop using....time to put down that crack pipe.  The concept of trying to controll all the illegal substances that are made in some yahoo's garage is ludicrous.




Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 1:17:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

Oh yeah you mean you have actually made the choice not to get arrested for what a whole 8 years -- good for you, give yourself a bozo button.  However, you were arrested in the past, yes?  a couple of times?  grins the cops i know have never negatively been on the news and again, i know a hell of a lot of them.  grins, so again your statement is kinda silly and need for lack of responsibility advocation for people who break the law.  Unfortunately, the cops i do know have been on the news trying to explain to a society how someone could have done something to someone else -- be it shooting a kid, breaking into a home and robbing it, making meth for selling, robbing a store, scamming people out of money, etc etc and the list goes onmuch worse than what i have listed here.


slaveboyforyou, as i said i know cops and yes a FEW out of MANY can be assholes.  And for the record, most cops do NOT advocate cops who are assholes because they are simply a cop.  NO ONE is debating that with you.  However, everytime this subject comes up that i see -- you are incapable of seeing beyond your prejudice for the SYSTEM which many agree should be changed, to understand that the cops have a job to do based on the LAW AS IT IS NOW.   When they encounter people like this lady, i don't feel they should have to take her crap and put their life in danger -- which this lady was doing to BOTH of them, i mean seriously -- on good shove at him by her, or a loss of footing for whatever reason by the cop he could have been killed by a passing car.  And i can damn well assure you if that lady had somehow gotten hurt or hit by a passing car she would be screaming lawsuit.  He did what he needed to do to contain the situation after MANY attempts to do his job. 

Do you HONESTLY believe that this cop or any cop should lose his life OR be harmed in any way because some lady or person believes she/he can do whatever she/he wants when a cop is attempting an arrest?  I personally believe cops should be capable of suing people who they arrest who cause them harm while they are attempting to do their duty.  I mean hell citizens can so i believe cops should be able too. 

Again, you never seem to reply when people speak of the people being arrested or charged or convicted of crimes actually having to take personal and adult responsibility for their actions and instead you want to make it easy for them.  And for the record all of what you advocate for non-violent offenses is already in place depending on what type of crime it was -- the issue becomes jail when people fail to follow the initial dictates of the court which doesn't place them in jail usually.  Again, usually its the actions of the person arrested that ends up landingthem in jail because they didn't think they have to follow the dictates of the court and then the courts make them take the adult responsibility for their actions. 

Next time perhaps they should try doing so on their own and the courts wouldn't have too.


angel


Darlin' you're wasting your time. When someone has a less than sane view of authority and law enforcement, you will never change their mind. Just take a look at the exchange between him and me. It devolved into him basically putting his fingers in his ears and calling me a cop groupie. Now he thinks he wins because holly put him on hide. What he fails to realize is he lost long ago, he just refuses to realize it. I felt like I was either arguing with a child, or with someone wearing a tinfoil hat. So I decided to let the insane person rant to the walls. Don't waste your time trying to 'convince' him. He's never going to get it. He needs to grow up significantly for that.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/13/2009 1:49:01 PM)

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Oh yeah you mean you have actually made the choice not to get arrested for what a whole 8 years


You're right, I'm so ashamed that I liked to raise hell in my late teens and early 20's.  Geez, I feel awful.  How dare me for having fun back then. 

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However, you were arrested in the past, yes?  a couple of times?  grins the cops i know have never negatively been on the news and again, i know a hell of a lot of them. 


Yeah I've been arrested a couple of times for misdemeanors.  So have tens of millions of other Americans.  If they were in the news for doing something illegal, I'm sure they weren't there again if they got fired. 

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And for the record, most cops do NOT advocate cops who are assholes because they are simply a cop. 


Blue wall of silence, ever heard of it?  It's basically a cops don't snitch on other cops code.  It's like the Mafia Omerta.  So they may not advocate it, but they don't do anything about it either.  The I wasn't involved, but knew about it and said nothing defense isn't valid. 

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you are incapable of seeing beyond your prejudice for the SYSTEM which many agree should be changed, to understand that the cops have a job to do based on the LAW AS IT IS NOW.


I have no problem with the police enforcing the law as it is written.  But if you think they don't routinely commit perjury to make cases stick, lie on police reports, and ignore Constitutional rights than you're living in a dream world.  The police will and do break the law when it serves their purposes.  Police officers don't move up in rank unless they make cases.  Prosecuting attorneys don't get promoted unless they get guilty verdicts.  I've seen them railroad people for the sake of careers, it happens all the time. 

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Do you HONESTLY believe that this cop or any cop should lose his life OR be harmed in any way because some lady or person believes she/he can do whatever she/he wants when a cop is attempting an arrest?


Of course not, when did I ever say such a thing? 

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I personally believe cops should be capable of suing people who they arrest who cause them harm while they are attempting to do their duty.  I mean hell citizens can so i believe cops should be able too. 


Um, they can.  As a private citizen, they have every right to fill out the paperwork in the court clerk's office and file a lawsuit for injuries, damages to personal property, and emotional distress. 

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Again, you never seem to reply when people speak of the people being arrested or charged or convicted of crimes actually having to take personal and adult responsibility for their actions and instead you want to make it easy for them. 


The hell I don't.  I have always advocated extremely lengthy sentences for violent criminals.  I don't want them in the community anymore than you do.  Murderers and sexual predators should never get outside of an institution in my opinion. 

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And for the record all of what you advocate for non-violent offenses is already in place depending on what type of crime it was -- the issue becomes jail when people fail to follow the initial dictates of the court which doesn't place them in jail usually. 


Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't.  It depends on the state you live in, the judge, and a host of other factors. 

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Again, usually its the actions of the person arrested that ends up landingthem in jail because they didn't think they have to follow the dictates of the court and then the courts make them take the adult responsibility for their actions. 


Most of the people in jail are there for drug offenses.  They have an illness, they are sick, they need help.  What they don't need is being locked up. 




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