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rulemylife -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 3:12:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The thing is, Obama is demonstrably racist. And when and where was this demonstrated?

MarsBonfire -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 3:26:30 PM)
Only if you happen to be standing in front of Beck's blackboard. That spot in the universe is a portal to "Bizzaro-world" if ever there was.... BTW, I'm watching "A Face in the Crowd" on TCM as I'm writing.... Does anyone else see this movie as being really relevant in regaurd to Beck?

Sanity -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 3:59:51 PM)
Start the thread at the beginning, rml. Free clues are everywhere. [;)] quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The thing is, Obama is demonstrably racist. And when and where was this demonstrated?

Politesub53 -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 4:03:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Jimmy Carter can make blanket accusations of racism against "many white people" who disagree with Obama without any evidence, and you on the left cheer him on... Yet, its been well documented that Barack Obama has been intimately acquainted with racists such as Jeremiah Wright and Van Jones for at least the past twenty years, and you act like its an outrage that I would dare to call Obama into question. How do you guys keep all your double standards figured out. Lets face it, you've got so many of them... And if these myriads of double standards aren't politically motivated, as you insist, what shall we blame them on? quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity What is sad is that someone in such a position can be so blatantly racist and yet there are so many who eagerly step up to defend him, and probably just for political reasons. So to recap, you called Obama racist, and by saying your talking B/s I am politically motivated. Seems like spin to me. I act like its an outrage you caalled Obama racist with no proof. My reply to you was in responce to you saying I am politically motived for calling B/s on your claim. You have read enough of my posts to know I am neither hard left or hard right.

Kirata -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 4:19:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Given that certain groups are genetically predisposed to certain illnesses (sometimes exclusively) and newer genetic advances are revealing other differences which merit being taken into account when formulating treatment plans, I think the broadness of that definition will need some revising. This is completely untrue. Granting that "exclusive" is an over-statement in today's world, the occurance of some diseases outside certain populations appears likely to indicate a past relatedness to that population. And beyond that quibble, my post is not "completely untrue" at all. In almost every ethnic, racial, or demographic group, certain genetic diseases occur at higher frequencies among their members than in the general population. As for your other point, I'm very aware of how much of our genome we all have in common. But the genetic distinctions that exist between groups have nothing to do with quantitatively large genetic differences. Racial Groupings Match Genetic Profiles (Stanford University) Still, that all said, I do agree that we are all more simply human than otherwise. K.

rulemylife -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 4:23:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Start the thread at the beginning, rml. Free clues are everywhere. [;)] quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The thing is, Obama is demonstrably racist. And when and where was this demonstrated? You might recall I was one of the first to post on the thread, and I've followed it since, seeing only innuendo and nonsense parroted straight from Beck.

Sanity -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 4:29:57 PM)
No, the way you post I see you as reliably hard to the left. And there is plenty of evidence that Obama is a racist. You just have to open your eyes. I suppose you've never even heard of Jeremiah Wright before this second, and now that this second has passed you still haven't heard of him. Very convenient... You still haven't heard of Van Jones either, I suspect, or what he said about white kids. Or about the Philedelphia Black Panthers case, and how the Obama Justice Department has very conveniently dropped all the charges against them. And I suppose that even after all the publicity her racist statement garnered her you don't believe that Sonia Sotomayor is a racist either... The evidence has been laid out aplenty, you just refuse to see.

Sanity -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 4:34:43 PM)
And again, I only bring this up because Jimmy Carter has been throwing rocks at Conservatives from the front porch of Obama's glass mansion. Its all very pathetic. Obama's told him to shut up, I wonder if he will.

Politesub53 -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 4:39:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity No, the way you post I see you as reliably hard to the left. Any of the UK posters on the left or right would see your comment as laughable. Dont you know I support Thatcher, Reagans buddy ? Frankly calling anyone who disagrees with you politically motivated and hard left, shows how desperate you are to prove your claim about Obama. I probably am politically motivated, not for the reasons you claim, but because I am interested in what goes on in the world.

Sanity -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 4:45:04 PM)
That's good, try to change the subject. Smart move.

Politesub53 -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 4:50:15 PM)
Im not changing any subject. You clearly claim Obama is racist, Im clearly saying thats B/s. Your idea of proof is very flimsy, show me something concrete and not just mudslinging.

DomKen -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 5:29:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Given that certain groups are genetically predisposed to certain illnesses (sometimes exclusively) and newer genetic advances are revealing other differences which merit being taken into account when formulating treatment plans, I think the broadness of that definition will need some revising. This is completely untrue. Granting that "exclusive" is an over-statement in today's world, the occurance of some diseases outside certain populations appears likely to indicate a past relatedness to that population. And beyond that quibble, my post is not "completely untrue" at all. In almost every ethnic, racial, or demographic group, certain genetic diseases occur at higher frequencies among their members than in the general population. As for your other point, I'm very aware of how much of our genome we all have in common. But the genetic distinctions that exist between groups have nothing to do with quantitatively large genetic differences. Racial Groupings Match Genetic Profiles (Stanford University) Still, that all said, I do agree that we are all more simply human than otherwise. K. You claimed at least one genetic illness occurs exclusively in one ethnic group. That is untrue. As th elink you just posted made clear. The second link is about a study that shows that people correctly self identified themselves by checking one of four choices on a census form, white, African-American, East Asian or Hispanic. That has nothing to do with how genetically distinct they might be beyond our ability to track certain markers in chromosomes. The article even makes a point about how the merkers aren't necessarily in genes, and I can tell you they almost always aren't in genes.

Kirata -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 5:50:29 PM)
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SpinnerofTales -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 5:59:18 PM)
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SpinnerofTales -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 6:01:46 PM)
quote: And again, I only bring this up because Jimmy Carter has been throwing rocks at Conservatives from the front porch of Obama's glass mansion. Sanity, please pick a standard and stick with it. On the one hand, you say that guilt by association is entirely unfair when it comes to the right. On the other hand, guilt by association is fine when applied to Obama. You rail against Sotomayor for what you call a racist statement, yet yourself made an equally racist statement that she was only nominated because she wasn't a white male. I don't mind that you disagree with me, but please pick an ethical code and hop on. You're making those of us who don't change their view of right and wrong based on whether or not we agree with the politics of those involved dizzy. Oh, and once again, your claim that Carter's comments have anything to do with Obama in any way, no matter how tangentially is absolutely untrue. The last time Carter had any official position with the government, on either side of the party line was about three decades or so.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 6:21:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: Even taking Spinner at his word (and I do), what he is saying - in effect - is that whites have little or no room to complain, and certainly we should spend more time addressing white racism against all other races before we worry about the converse. I thought an injustice against one, was an injustice against all? When we start minimizing anyone's injustice simply because they aren't in the "right group", that, in itself is racism ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Second, you and others continue, and I suggest will continue, to miss the glaring point that until there was some hint of racial inequity pointed at them, had nothing at all to say about the "injustice to one is injustice to all" principal. Did I miss all outrage over the systemic racism that exists in this country against people of color from the conservative right? Did I some how skip past them in the posting on this very board? If I have, I would love for someone to point them out to me. As I said in post 52: History test. Firm

FirmhandKY -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 6:30:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Based on false assumption. The number of whites affected, really affected not outraged that AA exists etc., is no where near 30%. Charitably I'll concede 0.1%. I think it's likely closer to 1 in 1 million than 1 in 1000 though. and quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen As to proportionality, you're back to arguing guilt by association and now down to arguing how close the association is. You'll need to provide some objective measure of how much association is enough to make someone guilty. I will of course use your standard to condemn the entire right wing. But please continue, your contortions have been hilarious, pathetic but hilarious. I'm still waiting for you to provide some "objective measure" of your 0.1%. My point was that "racism" shouldn't be tolerated, regardless of the race that is the object of racism. You, and others, seem to be excusing "racism" against one group, but not another, so I wasn't particularly worried about the exact numbers, other than to make a point. But I'm really curious if you can live up to your own "standard" of objective measurement on the subject. Any proof to back up your assertion? Firm

FirmhandKY -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 6:33:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 That wont wash Firm. You cant claim that one in three being victimised is ever equal to one out of one, no matter how you spin it. Sure the totals may be the same but no statistician will back your claim, individualist or otherwise. According to wikipedia: White alone 74% 221.3 million Black or African American alone 13.4% 40.9 million 30% of 221.3 million = 66.39 million 100% of 40.9 million = 40.9 million So, according to you, it is better to discriminate against 66 million, than 41 million? How about discriminating against none? Firm Not quite, according to me your continued claim that racism against 100 % of any one group, is equal to racism against 30% of a larger group is skewed in the extreme. The belief that people should have rights or denied rights based on their group affiliation is a typical left meme. Believing to the extent that you apparently do, as evidenced by the above quoted belief firmly places you in the "far left" part of the political spectrum in the US. Unfortunately, this is becoming more "mainstream" in the entire Democratic/left part of the American political scene, which bodes ill for the future of American freedom. Firm

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 6:48:26 PM)
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FirmhandKY -> RE: Matthew Norman: The insanity and enduring racism of the American right (9/20/2009 6:55:13 PM)
deleted by author Ok spinner.

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