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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I think that there was too much jumping in with both feet and not enough, getting to know one another, communication, "what does xxx mean to YOU?" type of thing.

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ORIGINAL: CougarStud

So I am driving to Busch Gardens to take my new slave to a 2 day trip. I was driving and I asked her to sing to me, she said she doesn't sing. I said neither do I but that I would show her it could be done and sang an old Lefty Frizzel tune.  She siad she still wouldn't sing.

After a nice steak dinner I told her I would like her to sing a simple nursery ryhme and again she refused.  I am about to take her back home without going to the Amusement Park in the morning (I am too tired to drive home tonight)

I need advise.

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ORIGINAL: CougarStud

Thanks all of you again for your imput.

I sat down with my slave and had a discussion about what being a slave meant ,and if she felt like this is how she wanted to live. We talked about the differences between a slave and a submissive. We talked about if she trusted me. Then she sang.

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ORIGINAL: CougarStud

Thanks all of you again for your imput.

I sat down with my slave and had a discussion about what being a slave meant ,and if she felt like this is how she wanted to live.  We talked about the differences between a slave and a submissive.  We talked about if she trusted me.  Then she sang.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I think a lot of the negativity is coming from a place......of difference. Many on here are not in a hardcore, master or mistress/slave type relationship. Many of the hetro dominant/submissive relationships are structured in a way that the submissive has a great deal of leeway and feedback of exactly HOW they submit. I do see the snarkiness coming from people that can only identify with that type of relationship, as ignorance.

I know several Mtypes that are quite responsible and caring, good people really, that would never in a million years tolerate the behaviour described. One would, after she picked her jaw up off the floor from the shock, give her slave such a harsh caning the slave would bleeding for sure. Many s-types here cannot fathom such. That does not make my friend a horrible person, or terrible mistress.

So, while being a slave, someone that hasn't the right to say no to anything, may not be for all.........it is rather narrow minded to criticize the actions of others given to a stricter relationship model.

Myself, I find much of the behaviour of some of the hetro female s-types on here, the attitudes regarding their method of submitting and how......completely out of line........for what I want within MY personal life. Yet, for me to criticize her would be ignorant and out of line. It is between her and the man that she shares her life with. What I think of it, does not matter.

It is possible, I think, to give advice when asked for genuinely, without ridiculing the premise of such a relationship. For some, the demand to do a harmless act, something that was not given as a hard limit.......is an absolute. If denied, it signals the end of the M/s dynamic.......if it even existed. A sign. For others, something to be ignored, overlooked, because it does not really matter. They are more into feeling safe and/or hot kinky sex than really submitting all. Neither is right or wrong wholey, only right or wrong for individuals and the relationships those individuals are in.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Lockit.......in large part, I believe we feel the same way. I doubt neither you nor I would consider someone an owned slave of ours, in this same situation.

However, I still say.........at the point the person is considered one in my home, owned by me......to refuse something so simple, would very likely be an indicator they were not my slave from that moment on. If indeed they really were.

And yes........both should maintain the same standard of relationship responsibility. It's not all one or the other.

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ORIGINAL: tammystarm

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ORIGINAL: CougarStud

So I am driving to Busch Gardens to take my new slave to a 2 day trip. I was driving and I asked her to sing to me, she said she doesn't sing. I said neither do I but that I would show her it could be done and sang an old Lefty Frizzel tune.  She siad she still wouldn't sing.

After a nice steak dinner I told her I would like her to sing a simple nursery ryhme and again she refused.  I am about to take her back home without going to the Amusement Park in the morning (I am too tired to drive home tonight)

I need advise.

Yep this one is gonna get to me. Dear Cougar Stud.;
You must recognize that she had some fear singing to You? So Your gonna throw her away, or at least punish her by not taking her to Busch Gardens for the mere fact that she wont sing to You? Have You bothered to ask her why? There just might be a major factor in this. Its obvious that there is. How long have Y/you been together?  i am certain that Master would not treat me in this manor, if He asked me to do something and i said i cant. He would find the reason behind it, then judge whether or not its a valid reason for me not to do so.  and days like this remind me how thankfully i truly am for Him.

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Yep this one is gonna get to me. Dear Cougar Stud.;
You must recognize that she had some fear singing to You? So Your gonna throw her away, or at least punish her by not taking her to Busch Gardens for the mere fact that she wont sing to You? Have You bothered to ask her why? There just might be a major factor in this. Its obvious that there is. How long have Y/you been together? i am certain that Master would not treat me in this manor, if He asked me to do something and i said i cant. He would find the reason behind it, then judge whether or not its a valid reason for me not to do so. and days like this remind me how thankfully i truly am for Him.

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ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

However in all seriousness, "singing" is more than just "singing" to some people. It has a lot to do with your self confidence and to open up and put yourself out there on the line. It could very well be one of the biggest challenges a person can face especially if they aren't 200% comfortable.
I'd say that there's something else behind the "I don't sing" that needs to be worked on.

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

There is a bit of history here that would be against tos to explain or spell out. Maybe you need to think about that because there is far more to this whole story than you may know and some of us know it.

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
There's a big difference when the first words out of a sub's mouth are "I'm not sure how good I think I'll be at this..." as opposed to "No." One is an indication of the desire to obey, but having inner conflicting issues that make it difficult and the other is plain irreverence.

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

There is a bit of history here that would be against tos to explain or spell out. Maybe you need to think about that because there is far more to this whole story than you may know and some of us know it.

Even if that's the case, how does it affect the natural predispositions of the s-type in question unless you're suggesting the story has been deliberately misrepresented with quotes of what happened that are nothing near what actually took place?