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OrionTheWolf -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 6:20:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

Nonsense... so if you fancy walking about with a turtle hanging out your ass,



I believe that would be illegal, so if you take into account all of my posts on the subject, then you already know my answer there.

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then to hell with everyone just so YOU don't have to "hide and lie" about who you are?!!  Garbage.  Once again, it may suit you to ignore how you conduct yourself around children or in the community of which YOU agreed to be a part of (and in doing so, agreed to its standards)...


No we disagree on the severity of the situation, which you purposefully twist into something else. A tactic you often use when your position is weak in a discussion. I recommended before that you improve your reading comprehension ability, then use that and go back and read what was actually posted.

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we, on the other hand, are conscious of other people's little ones and the community standards we agreed to live up to by taking our residence here; and in doing so, act accordingly by being considerate of others in said community.


I am conscious of that as well, in fact I have a 4 year old son, along with an 18 and 23 year old son and daughter. The normal everyday interaction, which is not sexual in nature, is not a problem. It just makes some adults uncomfortable because they may actually have to be parents and explain something they do not want to, or that they are ashamed of. There I summed up what has been posted in this topic before, and even reworded it. I doubt that will help with your comprehension, as you seem to be purposefully obtuse (which is not uncommon for you in this forum).

Your hysterical position seems to be that the use of the word Master or slave in public, is somehow psychologically scarring that it causes emotional and psychological issues? Or is it that it just makes some people, very few that I have actually encountered, uncomfortable?

I would say that with those that me and my slave have been around in public, none of them have acted with the hysterics that you have portrayed here, so maybe your opinion does not actually represent the public.





Lucienne -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 6:21:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero



You're welcome to think what you want, no matter how nonsensical (as many couples on CM elect to do the same with their profiles)... it matters not.  I find your profile pics quite silly, and I suspect you don't care.




I love that your counterpoint is "many people do it."

I also love that your defense of perceived community standards of crass and rude is being made from Los Angeles. Do you have specific real life examples of kinky people acting out in public, or are you only working from hypotheticals? I live in the largest city in the oh so sophisticated state of Missouri. None of the examples in this thread would result in community offense. Maybe a raised eyebrow. And leading your slave about by the collar might get some snarky comments about how it's a sign of failure to control, not dominance. But yeah... people are more likely to bitch about how they can't take their kids to a football game because of all the drunken carousing than they are about how others title their relationships in public.



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 7:25:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: agirl

You seem to have a lot of information about what *most* would likely find just *weird* and what they'd find *offensive*.



I could say the same of your postion... but given the general attitude that most 'nillas hold when it comes to the power dynamic (i.e., that it's a sickness and so forth), there's a much higher probability that my position is the more accurate one.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 7:30:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf



Your alleged position is childish at best, as evidenced by your "I absolutely have the right, and exercise it often..." comment/tantrum.  The pseudo-adult equivalent of "Neener... Neener... Neener". [8|]




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 7:35:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne
Do you have specific real life examples of kinky people acting out in public...


Actually, yes... a few years back on a Saturday night on the Sunset Strip and viewing a couple in BDSM garb walking around via Collar & Leash.  Pathetically fucking stupid, and clearly doing so for the "shock value" of it all.



Lucienne -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 7:42:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne
Do you have specific real life examples of kinky people acting out in public...


Actually, yes... a few years back on a Saturday night on the Sunset Strip and viewing a couple in BDSM garb walking around via Collar & Leash.  Pathetically fucking stupid, and clearly doing so for the "shock value" of it all.



Sunset Strip, that's like a children's playground, right?

Regardless, I'd bet that sight is less frightening to the average child than clowns are.



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 7:46:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne
Do you have specific real life examples of kinky people acting out in public...


Actually, yes... a few years back on a Saturday night on the Sunset Strip and viewing a couple in BDSM garb walking around via Collar & Leash.  Pathetically fucking stupid, and clearly doing so for the "shock value" of it all.



Sunset Strip, that's like a children's playground, right?


Ummm... no.

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Regardless, I'd bet that sight is less frightening to the average child than clowns are.


Ummm.... as explained earlier... it's the PARENTS/COMMUNITY that would likely take offense.  I did at such a stupid display, and I'm of the kink sort.



Lucienne -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 7:53:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne
Do you have specific real life examples of kinky people acting out in public...


Actually, yes... a few years back on a Saturday night on the Sunset Strip and viewing a couple in BDSM garb walking around via Collar & Leash.  Pathetically fucking stupid, and clearly doing so for the "shock value" of it all.



Sunset Strip, that's like a children's playground, right?


Ummm... no.


Sarcasm alert.

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Regardless, I'd bet that sight is less frightening to the average child than clowns are.


Ummm.... as explained earlier... it's the PARENTS that would likely take offense.  I did at such a stupid display, and I'm of the kink sort.


Are you a parent? If so, why did you have your children out on the Sunset Strip on a saturday night?

Don't get me wrong, I think it's silly to parade around in public in bdsm gear with the collar and leash. But all sorts of people wear things in public that I find unsightly or distasteful. I can't fairly expect the world to conform to my aesthetic sensibilities. And all sorts of people act out in public for attention. Again, it's not a kink specific thing, and it's not the most difficult thing in the world to explain to a child, unless you think it's a teachable moment for repressive attitudes. Kids are pretty accepting of "they're just being silly" or "they're just playing dress up."



Silence8 -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 7:59:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne
Do you have specific real life examples of kinky people acting out in public...


Actually, yes... a few years back on a Saturday night on the Sunset Strip and viewing a couple in BDSM garb walking around via Collar & Leash.  Pathetically fucking stupid, and clearly doing so for the "shock value" of it all.



Good for them. We could use a few more cultural shocks, and a few fewer economic shocks.

Sexual freedom amounts to actual freedom. If you look at the history of *real* slavery, i.e. institutionalized exploitation, the desexualization of the slave class was often essential to their distancing and dehumanization as slaves.

What occurs to the working class, the middle class, and to students, and even to children, in our own country and in general throughout the tolerant liberal universe, parallels this basic desexualization. Our culture is functional, in this sense -- it functions to control us, such that control over sexual expression is paramount. The public space, like the work space, must necessarily be desexualized in order to reproduce this balance of power.

Confusing, right? The strange thing is that this imbalance might, in some cases, actually function as a catalyst for psychological 'particularities' like BDSM... that's perhaps the psychological origin of something's being offensive! It offends us because we know it reflects us. It's personal. It's a part of us we can't accept.



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 8:03:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne



The Sunset Strip does not equate to Perv-Fest 2009... there are music/dance clubs, yes... but also restaurants and such.   It was a stupid display.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 8:07:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Silence8

Good for them.



I disagree.  For those that applaud such a stupid display under the guise of "Sexual Freedom", I doubt those same people would applaud someone elses "Religious Freedom", for example, if spouting off of the evils of homosexuality and so forth.  Would likely suggest they "Keep their beliefs to themselves"... but when it's something YOU believe in, then you (not you personally) have no issue in shoving your choices down other people's throats.




Hierodule -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 8:21:02 AM)

Again, I don't see how a leash is even sexual. I see Hot Topic teens wearing collars and leashes at the local mall all the time. Of course no one is holding their leash, its usually draped over their shoulder, but still. I seriously doubt a child would even notice enough to question their parents about it. And if they did question their parents, they would not assume it was sexual unless an adult told them it was. I think is is in poor taste only if the person on the end of the leash is moaning and touching themselves or somehow making it clear that the leash is a source of sexual arousal. 



Hierodule -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 8:31:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: Silence8

Good for them.



I disagree.  For those that applaud such a stupid display under the guise of "Sexual Freedom", I doubt those same people would applaud someone elses "Religious Freedom", for example, if spouting off of the evils of homosexuality and so forth.  Would likely suggest they "Keep their beliefs to themselves"... but when it's something YOU believe in, then you (not you personally) have no issue in shoving your choices down other people's throats.




The fundamental difference is that the preacher is attacking a way of life and the leash couple are simply expressing theirs.The preacher is telling people they can't live a certain way, if they do they are evil. Don't get me wrong I believe the preacher has a right to his opinion. But the couple with the leash isn't attacking "normal" couples or spouting a fevered rant about the evils of vanilla sex. They are simply expressing a facet of their relationship that isn't isn't even explicitly sexual.



Silence8 -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 8:49:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: Silence8

Good for them.



I disagree.  For those that applaud such a stupid display under the guise of "Sexual Freedom", I doubt those same people would applaud someone elses "Religious Freedom", for example, if spouting off of the evils of homosexuality and so forth.  Would likely suggest they "Keep their beliefs to themselves"... but when it's something YOU believe in, then you (not you personally) have no issue in shoving your choices down other people's throats.




Actually, no.

Basically, I'm against most if not all censorship, *especially* of opinions with which I disagree.



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 8:52:48 AM)

No that comment was about the names used between myself and my slave. Taking something out of the context it is put in originally, is a deceitful tactic used to try and win a debate, when your argument is weak. That statement was in reply to you stating that I did not have the

Your lack of addressing other points, and questions, shows a lack of substance for your grounds of disagreement.

So again could you state what is so horrible about a slave saying the word "Master" or saying that she needs to get permission, as being so horrible? That is the context of which my comment was made.

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf



Your alleged position is childish at best, as evidenced by your "I absolutely have the right, and exercise it often..." comment/tantrum.  The pseudo-adult equivalent of "Neener... Neener... Neener". [8|]





Lucienne -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 9:34:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne



The Sunset Strip does not equate to Perv-Fest 2009... there are music/dance clubs, yes... but also restaurants and such.   It was a stupid display.




Again, did you have a child with you at the time you witnessed this? Did you see a lot of other children about? Saturday night in an adult entertainment district seems like a safe time to be a little outre. You're not talking about church, man. Your attitude comes across as extreme and puritanical. I'm a modest dresser in public. I generally don't refer to my partner as anything other than "my friend," just as I would refer to someone who is just my friend. I feel absolutely no need to extrovert these things.

But I value that choice. I don't want to be pressured to share my relationship status any more than I want others to be pressured to disguise theirs. You seem incapable of making the necessary distinctions to have a serious conversation about this subject. When someone introduces their spouse as "my wife, Karen," I don't instantly start imagining their sex lives. Perhaps you should nurture the same disinterest in the behind the scenes details of people who present as kinky in public.

ETA: you seem to care about numbers of people doing things. Perhaps you should reflect on the impressive cross-section of posters who disagree with you.



agirl -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 10:52:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: agirl

You seem to have a lot of information about what *most* would likely find just *weird* and what they'd find *offensive*.



I could say the same of your postion... but given the general attitude that most 'nillas hold when it comes to the power dynamic (i.e., that it's a sickness and so forth), there's a much higher probability that my position is the more accurate one.




It might SEEM an accurate position to YOU.........but it's not an accurate one, for me. I haven't encountered one single person that thinks my relationship is *sick*....by  far and away, the biggest reaction is one of mild interest.

I have a far higher opinion of "nilla" people from actually interacting with them in my *culture* without hiding aspects of myself.

If you keep your relationship dynamic under wraps , how do you know how "nilla" people would react?.

Actually, yes... a few years back on a Saturday night on the Sunset Strip and viewing a couple in BDSM garb walking around via Collar & Leash.  Pathetically fucking stupid, and clearly doing so for the "shock value" of it all.

That's the best you can come up with?.......If wander about in Soho on a Saturday night I'd see far more astonishing things.....so either don't go......or don't take your kids, if you don't have that type of open outlook. There are places where people *strut their stuff*......good luck to them, it's nice to see people enjoying themselves in fun and harmless ways.

Being in a D/s relationship isn't rude, dirty or offensive ........it's slightly unusual and isn't common, but to assume that "nilla" people everywhere think it's sick, or react negatively to it, is a big misapprehension.

When it comes to religious beliefs and expressing them.... the same. I find it hard to be *offended* by people doing the things they are absolutely free to do. I like having the same freedom in my country. Within the law, we are free to be ourselves.....and as Orion said ........I exercise it. It's natural to do so here. It's not a tantrum or a *bolshy* stance......we ALL have that *freedom*. We call it tolerance here.

agirl











NihilusZero -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 12:49:40 PM)

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agirl -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 3:22:51 PM)

Good one NZ..... as was Animus's Monty Python one....... which was sooooo close to the truth.....lol

agirl



HimNbabygirl -> RE: Involving others in your kink vs. Not feeling the need to hide it (11/27/2009 6:03:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne
Do you have specific real life examples of kinky people acting out in public...


Actually, yes... a few years back on a Saturday night on the Sunset Strip and viewing a couple in BDSM garb walking around via Collar & Leash.  Pathetically fucking stupid, and clearly doing so for the "shock value" of it all.



i take my 9 year old son to the local mall frequently and we constantly see teens wearing leashes and someone else holding the other end. only once did he even take note of it a few years ago and his response was "look mommy they are playing puppy, may i play too?" i just told him when we get home because he makes a very noisy puppy. by the time we got back to our house, he had forgot all about it. i have seen teens do this when i used to take my teen daughter to our local showings of Rocky Horror Picture show, i never took my son. i also make the choice not to take him places he has a good chance of seeing non age appropriate things, such as the drunks having sex in the alleys behind the bars. personally i am more offended with the girls walking around the mall with their skirts so short their asses are hanging out the bottom of them, but then again that's my own opinion and the only reason i'm offended is because i know i could never pull off that look again without surgery...curse gravity...

His baby girl



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