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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 11:10:08 AM   
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Exactly. While most people won't enter a relationship that they think will add badly, in my opinion, a smart person, which i hope to be and hope i am, deals with internal issues that might cause a relationship to end. Which in my case is the emotional distancing and hiding that i have done in the past that as i said in the OP wouldn't be allowed if i am ever a slave.

Thanks for the reply.

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That is certainly a functional method of dealing with it, yes. And, if it fits you comfortably, you should definitely be using it.

I'd only be concerned that it seems similar to the sort of mindset of someone who has just come out of a bad breakup saying: "I don't want to get hurt again so I'm never again getting into any sort of serious relationship."

Or, perhaps you'll just find yourself finding in a situation, like many do, that slowly grinds away your armor with consistency until you wake up one day and think to yourself: "Holy crap! I am a slave (in terms of boundaries, anymore)!" and realize that you're just fine with it because you've developed that comfortable a bond with your partner.


Having been at the place that you described in the section that i bolded, please explain if you would how where i am at now, knowing my own internal weaknesses and fears are, trying to deal with them as much as i can prior to being in a relationship so that when i get into said relationship, those issues are not detractors for the intimacy that i am looking for in that is the same as saying i am never going to be in a relationship again. Sincere questiion, not trying to be flippant.

i am assuming that the situation in the last paragraph is exactly what will eventually happen, i just want to try to deal with any fears that i might have that would cause me to run away from a potentially great relationship because i am afraid of the kind of lack of control and vulnerability that being a slave would entail.

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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 11:22:22 AM   
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i am assuming that the situation in the last paragraph is exactly what will eventually happen, i just want to try to deal with any fears that i might have that would cause me to run away from a potentially great relationship because i am afraid of the kind of lack of control and vulnerability that being a slave would entail.



I think something that is essential to remember with respect to these fears is that you will never be facing them alone. If you are afraid of the development of a no-limits M/s relationship, then a great partner for you will respect your fears and help you work through them at a pace you are comfortable with.


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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 11:23:37 AM   
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Don't be afraid of what you are, be afraid of what others want you to be.


acually sexy man - thats not helpful - just saying....

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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 11:24:48 AM   
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That is a very wise statement Dominasola. i have in the past shied away from people who seemed to think they could just order any issues away, but wouldn't work with me to make them actually go away.

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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 11:26:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

Having been at the place that you described in the section that i bolded, please explain if you would how where i am at now, knowing my own internal weaknesses and fears are, trying to deal with them as much as i can prior to being in a relationship so that when i get into said relationship, those issues are not detractors for the intimacy that i am looking for in that is the same as saying i am never going to be in a relationship again. Sincere questiion, not trying to be flippant.

I meant that more as a hypothetical for someone/anyone in general who is weighing similar concerns as you, not as a suggestion that you don't know what you're doing.

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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 11:46:11 AM   
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Heartfeltsub
First of all please let me thank you for posting this thread. I have been reading it from day one. Fear is something I know and understand. A month ago, as of today, Sir moved me from Florida to N.J. to be in a M/s 24/7 relationship. My mind prior to doing this, through doing this and this past month has spin 180 degrees many of times. Prior to that, I have lived alone for almost 5 years with only 1 serious D/s relationship and 1 major mistake on my part relationship. Prior to that i was in a healthy vanilla marriage for 29 years. I always lived on the fringes of what is consider normal in life, so entering bdsm at 54 really is not a strange thing for me. Fear though is something that has been a constant ally for me since i been real young.

Yes, I did come from an abusive past, and only the Gods know how or why i still exist. Relationships as a whole were extremely abusive, until i met late hubby. 29 years in a healthy relationship was awesome, yet fear played a part with that as well. I was scared to be in any relationship, but through time late hubby helped me to face some of my demons. He was not a dominant 'white knight figure', but more of a dominant 'knock off the drama figure', which to this day I am so grateful for. In other words, he didn't help me up when i would fall, he would tell me to figure a way to do so on my own. If he didn't do this, and instead became that white knight for me, i am scared that with his death, i would have no fight in me to push forward. It was him that helped me to push through the fear. After his death I decided that I needed to do one thing, that he and I talked about often; support myself physically, mentally and emotionally. 5 years I did this, and acknowledge my own screw ups and learned to overcome them. It was not an easy 5 years, and i missed him like crazy, but i kept pushing through my fear. The final fear was to push myself out of our last home we had together, and walk away from the 'us' of the dead, to the 'us' of the living.

At 55, i came into bdsm very clueless. I was one of those who, in the past, helped started up chapters of N. O. W. in the beginning of women liberation movement. Now at the age of 55 my submissive side started to emerged. That side came out in my 30's and 40's but it was one of my major fears, and resistance was constant, until I decided to walk through the fear. What is the worst thing that this feminist, hippie, witch could ever experience anyways? So, i began my journey through permitting the submissive run wild and being open to her. Well, as I did this tears where shed in who i found deep inside. She was the one I have been rejecting all my life. All i could do was embrace her. I did not at the time have a Dom in my life on an active bases. It worked best that way, because i needed to see her, feel her and explore her through my own eyes. Could she listen to orders without screaming oh this is not fair? Could she accept her station in life in which areas that were called for, be it with work, my spiritualism or my inactive Dom at that time? What would I do? Who was controlling me? The fear, the Dom., the work..what and where was this fear coming from and how did it control me. I discovered my answers on my own, through the help of a couple special dominant persons, and a lot of inner work. Where did my submissive lead me? Right to embracing the slave heart within me. No one said you are slave so you must be. It was me who knew deep inside from the work i did in digging deep to find her.

Through finding all this, there were a few things i decided to not do anymore, which has helped me in pushing through fear. My past is done and over. I only have a certain amount of energy each day to use and where am I going to place this energy? I figured it out to a $100 a day and who would get that money energy from me? My past, no way. People calling me derogatory names? Nope! It was spent daily on helping me to grow into my present and future. I am now more afraid of not living to my fullest potential as a woman who is a submissive, creative talent, counselor and many other ways i embrace life. Now i am Master's slave and i am proud of it. Not because it is an extra point, since i don't see it that way. I am proud of accepting who i am and how i did it. Now i have the ability to offer HIM all of me and the more of me that grows.

Perhaps letting fear guide me and making it my ally was a blessing. What would been the worst that could have happen? i turn into this ugly horrible doormat? chuckles. Or i would attract a person who is a lot like me and we could blend well. Sir permits many rights. i am allowed to vote and vote for who i choose. i am permitted to continue to work and use my money for the US. i am permitted to continue creating oracle cards and writing endless articles on metaphysical topics. I am permitted to work the radio show i am on. See all i am permitted to do comes from a Master of like mind. One who resonates with me, and is happy that i serve him in all the wonderful ways he seeks, which also includes letting me keep my mind and spirit, which equal as his beautiful doormate dressed in crystals.

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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 11:49:41 AM   
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To all those people who think lonliness is just the happiest thing that ever happened to you. Why do you follow it up with getting an relationship?

I think We are actually agreeing on the issue. But dont feel like writing 20,000 words to explain how we are agreeing.

< Message edited by Lorenzo19 -- 3/2/2010 11:50:28 AM >


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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 11:50:08 AM   
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Ah i see NZ , thank you for explaining that.

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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 11:52:05 AM   
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There are some things in life (when your self aware enough to know you fear them) that are dealt with best head on.

As in I have a fear of heights. As a kid i knew this and still pushed myself to take risks..Climbing trees, water towers, and so on..I'm even planning a skyjump sometime in the future. Am I scared? Hell yeah! lol.

I won't let that hinder my life. There are risks inherent in every thing we do pretty much. If you've been riding that fence and it's not about finding the right person to trust that's the issue then maybe it's time to push yourself out of that plane.

I've had females that trusted me a great deal and then others that didn't trust very much..
All the while I still did the same things to show I wouldn't hurt them.*Shrugs

It's a bit easier for some sure.


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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 11:55:13 AM   
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To all those people who think lonliness is just the happiest thing that ever happened to you. Why do you follow it up with getting an relationship?



I think there is a rather large difference between loneliness and not being in a relationship. Distancing oneself from intimacy can sometimes allow for self-assessments that will prove to be beneficial to potential future relationships.  Describing someone's active choice to not engage in a relationship as "loneliness" is attaching negative connotations that otherwise wouldn't be associated with it.


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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 12:23:26 PM   
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There are no "half people"


Sure there are, lots of "half" people, those who are amputated at the legs...and less snarky...how many refer to their "other half" or their "better half" or they feel "completed" with another which was the rather obvious way I was using the term.

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The only solid concern I can drum up


And certainly if you can't imagine or grasp something, it must not exist!

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I suppose a decent analogy


Because of course, if it isn't yours...it just can't be "decent"...

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I suppose a decent analogy (perhaps catering to my geeky side) is that, rather than integers, we are all dice. In some situations we roll higher than others and contribute more to the sum of the coupling, but we are each still 1 die.



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But people aren't dice, dice are square and people only have a front and back wheras dice have six sides

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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 12:25:08 PM   
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there are many types of dice.  4 sided, 8 sided, 10, 12, 20, even 30 or 100.

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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 12:31:04 PM   
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God rolls googleplex sided dice.

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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 12:38:20 PM   
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There are no "half people"


Sure there are, lots of "half" people, those who are amputated at the legs...and less snarky...how many refer to their "other half" or their "better half" or they feel "completed" with another which was the rather obvious way I was using the term.

quote:

The only solid concern I can drum up


And certainly if you can't imagine or grasp something, it must not exist!

quote:

I suppose a decent analogy


Because of course, if it isn't yours...it just can't be "decent"...

quote:

I suppose a decent analogy (perhaps catering to my geeky side) is that, rather than integers, we are all dice. In some situations we roll higher than others and contribute more to the sum of the coupling, but we are each still 1 die.



In my best NZ imitation

But people aren't dice, dice are square and people only have a front and back wheras dice have six sides



Even paper has more than two sides. Of course people have more than a front or back. That's just silly.

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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 12:42:24 PM   
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And certainly if you can't imagine or grasp something, it must not exist!

Usually.

Otherwise, people normally offer up a fresh angle or view that hasn't been discussed. It's kinda what happens when these rare "discussions" take place.

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Because of course, if it isn't yours...it just can't be "decent"...



You do realize that, when I used the adjective "decent" to describe my analogy, it was specifically to point out that I thought it was mediocre.

I'm not sure where that turned into a covert insult towards the analogy skills of everyone else on the site...

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In my best NZ imitation

But people aren't dice, dice are square and people only have a front and back wheras dice have six sides

Close.

However, I would have replaced the first comma with a period or perhaps a semicolon. I would have referred to dice as cubes rather than squares (which they are not). I wouldn't have referred to humans as two-dimensional beings and considering that both humans and dice are actually three-dimensional entities, I wouldn't have attempted to dissociate them based on shape. And, lastly, I wouldn't have misspelled "whereas".



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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 12:46:17 PM   
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Wisdom,

Thank you for that fabulous reply. It seems you have indeed gone through a similiar journey to the one i am dealing with internally. Thank you again.

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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 12:46:27 PM   
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Oh. And we don't call them "half people". We refer to them as "little people", you insensitive jerk.




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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 12:49:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

There are some things in life (when your self aware enough to know you fear them) that are dealt with best head on.

As in I have a fear of heights. As a kid i knew this and still pushed myself to take risks..Climbing trees, water towers, and so on..I'm even planning a skyjump sometime in the future. Am I scared? Hell yeah! lol.

I won't let that hinder my life. There are risks inherent in every thing we do pretty much. If you've been riding that fence and it's not about finding the right person to trust that's the issue then maybe it's time to push yourself out of that plane.

I've had females that trusted me a great deal and then others that didn't trust very much..
All the while I still did the same things to show I wouldn't hurt them.*Shrugs

It's a bit easier for some sure.



While i agree with that in theory, in dealing with relationships there is some time constraints. There actually has to be another person involved, while the sky and planes are always there to jump into or from. i can see the importance of when facing a potential relationship, when my gut is telling me the person is trustworthy, not letting any fears hold me back.

Thank you for your reply,
heartfelt

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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 12:50:08 PM   
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there are many types of dice.  4 sided, 8 sided, 10, 12, 20, even 30 or 100.


D20 saving throw FTW!


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RE: Afraid To Be A Slave - 3/2/2010 12:52:09 PM   
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Ah i see NZ , thank you for explaining that.

My pleasure.

I have personally had an interesting see-saw experience with trying to find that line between trying to be more critical of relationships when they begin based on the bad endings of previous ones without crossing over to the point where I'm jaded and potentially ruining something that could be positive.

It's particularly interesting seeing/hearing from this sort of issue from the perspective of an s-type because of the degree of additional vulnerability that can be attached to that role.


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