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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/18/2010 11:36:20 PM   
MstrPBK


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Status: offline 		er ... is it capitalism that is dying or is it really the credit system that is dying?

IF one ditches the current credit system I think ... the capitalism will correct itself.

MstrPBK
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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/18/2010 11:36:52 PM   
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In youre world they would be, because there would be no incentive to advance technology.


Actually, it would advance even faster, once the supression of the current vested interests is removed... especially in the field of energy.

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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/18/2010 11:39:28 PM   
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In youre world they would be, because there would be no incentive to advance technology.


Actually, it would advance even faster, once the supression of the current vested interests is removed... especially in the field of energy.


You havent the vaguest clue about human nature. We are talking about the real world, remember?

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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/18/2010 11:42:23 PM   
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er ... is it capitalism that is dying or is it really the credit system that is dying?

IF one ditches the current credit system I think ... the capitalism will correct itself.

MstrPBK
St. Paul, MN USA


I used to think so too. I still believe there would be some improvement if the creation of money benefitted all people equally... instead of those at the top of the food chain. But the foundation of greed and corruption would still continue. Pollution, hunger, and war would continue. The sustainability of the planet would still be in peril.

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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/18/2010 11:46:00 PM   
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You havent the vaguest clue about human nature. We are talking about the real world, remember?


The "real world" is filled with people indoctinated into a tiny box of thinking.

I believe that the vast majority of people are inherently good. You obviously believe the opposite.

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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/19/2010 12:09:44 AM   
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You havent the vaguest clue about human nature. We are talking about the real world, remember?


The "real world" is filled with people indoctinated into a tiny box of thinking.

I believe that the vast majority of people are inherently good. You obviously believe the opposite.


You can believe whatever the fuck you want. Ive got thousands of years of undeniable evidence that man is motivated by self interest. Period. Even "altruistic" activities ultimately are motivated by a need to feel good.

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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/19/2010 12:14:06 AM   
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You can believe whatever the fuck you want. Ive got thousands of years of undeniable evidence that man is motivated by self interest. Period. Even "altruistic" activities ultimately are motivated by a need to feel good


Motivated by self-interest in a world of scarcity.


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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/19/2010 1:07:36 AM   
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You can believe whatever the fuck you want. Ive got thousands of years of undeniable evidence that man is motivated by self interest. Period. Even "altruistic" activities ultimately are motivated by a need to feel good


Motivated by self-interest in a world of scarcity.




There is no world where scarcity doesnt exist.

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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/19/2010 6:30:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		If it's not value based, it is control based. Values are completely out of whack and have been for centuries. There isn't a system invented or used that has ever gone down that road because those in control would not relinquish the assets they gain in those systems. These systems have value to the power mongers, they could care less about any real value assessment.

When 5% of the population owns 95% of the wealth, leaving 95% of the population to live off the remaining 5%, then every system being used is a sanctifuckingmonious self righteous pantload proffered by the power mongering 5%. That machinery will likely continue until the populace itself begins to realize its own value, instead of accepting the bs presented by all existing systems telling them they are worthless unless the do what the system demands of them.

Work with it they tell you. Then they point at a few success stories and tell you if they can do it so can you. FFS .. While billions work their whole lives in so called menial jobs (devalued to suit profit) receiving very little for what is nothing short of reasonable if not stellar work habits, the lazy rich get richer. If everyone could be the leader of some multinational success story, who would run the plants and factories? One boss, 1000 workers... Who's value is greater? Yet who gains most? yep , the one boss. (oppressive Communism made righteous with by a capitalist label)

Guess what. Fuck you system freaks and your marginalizing people so you can have it all, or even to keep what you have just because you think what you do is worth more than someone else who breaks their back everyday.

Its about value, always has been, don't watch economists, payed by the rich, reinforcing the system (insert any form of control oriented type here) dynamics, ...hiding behind the curtain, hoping you don't see how much shit they're pushing down your throat. Look at you! You are the power. The economic media serves those who put it in place.
/rant

\reopen rant

fuck the RC church, fuck the world bank, fuck the rich who think they earned their privilege, ignoring that they did it off the backs of hard working people.

/rant


Good coffee.





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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/19/2010 12:35:56 PM   
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There is no world where scarcity doesnt exist.
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ORIGINAL: subfever

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You can believe whatever the fuck you want. Ive got thousands of years of undeniable evidence that man is motivated by self interest. Period. Even "altruistic" activities ultimately are motivated by a need to feel good


Motivated by self-interest in a world of scarcity.




There is no world where scarcity doesnt exist.


That's right, and we have the technology to move past this. People simply need to come together with a stronger voice than the vested interests of the status quo.

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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/19/2010 12:40:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nslavu

If it's not value based, it is control based. Values are completely out of whack and have been for centuries. There isn't a system invented or used that has ever gone down that road because those in control would not relinquish the assets they gain in those systems. These systems have value to the power mongers, they could care less about any real value assessment.

When 5% of the population owns 95% of the wealth, leaving 95% of the population to live off the remaining 5%, then every system being used is a sanctifuckingmonious self righteous pantload proffered by the power mongering 5%. That machinery will likely continue until the populace itself begins to realize its own value, instead of accepting the bs presented by all existing systems telling them they are worthless unless the do what the system demands of them.

Work with it they tell you. Then they point at a few success stories and tell you if they can do it so can you. FFS .. While billions work their whole lives in so called menial jobs (devalued to suit profit) receiving very little for what is nothing short of reasonable if not stellar work habits, the lazy rich get richer. If everyone could be the leader of some multinational success story, who would run the plants and factories? One boss, 1000 workers... Who's value is greater? Yet who gains most? yep , the one boss. (oppressive Communism made righteous with by a capitalist label)

Guess what. Fuck you system freaks and your marginalizing people so you can have it all, or even to keep what you have just because you think what you do is worth more than someone else who breaks their back everyday.

Its about value, always has been, don't watch economists, payed by the rich, reinforcing the system (insert any form of control oriented type here) dynamics, ...hiding behind the curtain, hoping you don't see how much shit they're pushing down your throat. Look at you! You are the power. The economic media serves those who put it in place.
/rant

\reopen rant

fuck the RC church, fuck the world bank, fuck the rich who think they earned their privilege, ignoring that they did it off the backs of hard working people.

/rant


Good coffee.



Good grief... finally... a voice of reason. Where have you been hiding?

However, methinks you need to switch to decaf there, bro... 

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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/19/2010 2:40:11 PM   
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Damn I guess

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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/19/2010 4:14:19 PM   
Nslavu


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Good grief... finally... a voice of reason. Where have you been hiding?

However, methinks you need to switch to decaf there, bro... 



I don't hide ... you just can't see me all the time.

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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/19/2010 4:22:29 PM   
Nslavu


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er ... is it capitalism that is dying or is it really the credit system that is dying?

IF one ditches the current credit system I think ... the capitalism will correct itself.

MstrPBK
St. Paul, MN USA


I disagree. While it's a good sentiment, the problem with capitism is that it is meant to capitalize, and not just on ideas, on humanity. It means hierarchy and hierarchy means caste bullshit.

I do agree with bagging the current credit system. But even that would fall away if the rich and self righteous elite shared/redistributed what they have stolen by creating the credit system in use today.

The way it is now is not credit, it's usury.


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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/19/2010 4:54:19 PM   
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However - the parts of the brain that act as reward centers for "doing good" are easily hijacked through the use of chemicals. Maybe sometime in the not so far off future we'll be a race of rat like people, a people whose socialist dictator keeps motivated through the use of some methamphetamine like substance.

No worky, no druggy...


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ORIGINAL: subfever

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You havent the vaguest clue about human nature. We are talking about the real world, remember?


The "real world" is filled with people indoctinated into a tiny box of thinking.

I believe that the vast majority of people are inherently good. You obviously believe the opposite.


You can believe whatever the fuck you want. Ive got thousands of years of undeniable evidence that man is motivated by self interest. Period. Even "altruistic" activities ultimately are motivated by a need to feel good.


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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/19/2010 6:03:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nslavu


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ORIGINAL: subfever

Good grief... finally... a voice of reason. Where have you been hiding?

However, methinks you need to switch to decaf there, bro... 



I don't hide ... you just can't see me all the time.


Well, we need to get you to come out and play more often... :-)

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RE: Capitalism Is Dying a Natural Death - 3/20/2010 7:11:59 AM   
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In order to understand Capitalism and its place in society today you need to understand its roots.

Capitalism was borne out its age; an age where Liberalism/science/reason were becoming accepted wisdom.

It was assumed thus that Capitalism was a system that would tap into the defining feature of human nature: reason.

Now of course it's fairly clear that people are not entirely reasonable - and therein lies the flaw in the principles underpinning Capitalism.

Therefore - Capitalism is flawed by virtue of human behaviour being irrational at times - which begs the question and demands a response along the lines of: experience suggests that there will never be a system devoid of limitations and exploitation - though I'd say that ideas evolve - everything evolves (from poetry to language to ideas) - and again experience suggests there will be progess but no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

So in terms of dying a death - I'd imagine it will at some point by virtue of evolution - but it's certainly alive and kicking at this moment in time. And this idea that we have the solution and Capitalism isn't it - well - it's sort of arrogant to think a human being has the answers to the world's ills. Let's be honest here - most of us find it hard enough to keep a career ticking along and a family happy - the idea that we can resolve the flaws in a system that houses billions of people is stretching it a bit.

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