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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 9:27:45 PM

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What a socialist that Jesus was ;-)

Well, I wouldn't trust him to write any school prayers, that's for sure.

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You know, I have lived a very privileged life. I was born to stable parents who instilled me with the belief that I could be whatever I wanted to be. And I worked hard and so far, I've been very successful. That said, I realise just how absolutely fortunate I have been in my life and I know that I have had advantages others haven't. That is why I give back.

It occurred to me after I posted that two of the U.S.'s liberal lions--Franklin Roosevelt and Ted Kennedy--came from rich families. Knowing they were handed much of what they had may have given them a greater awareness of how luck/circumstances affect folks and freed them from the self-made mythology that seems to impede efforts to build social welfare structures.

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This is the first year since the age of 14 that I haven't done volunteer work (personal reasons but I'll get back to it). I make donations to causes I believe in. I don't complain about my tax money going to social programmes. I've actually given (not loaned, given) money to friends going through tough times. This is what living in a society is.

Brava! And thanks.

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I don't need Jesus telling me that. I'm an atheist. I just need to put myself in the shoes of the other and have empathy.

I know. The parable came to mind because I've been pondering it for years. And the puckish part of me enjoyed quoting a passage we don't hear often from Bible-thumpers on the religious right.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 9:32:26 PM

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I know. The parable came to mind because I've been pondering it for years. And the puckish part of me enjoyed quoting a passage we don't hear often from Bible-thumpers on the religious right.

I notice they don't mention the Sermon on the Mount a whole lot.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 9:34:50 PM

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A post quoting you, uh huh. And the "helpless" part?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Read your own posts:

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ORIGINAL: mcbride

...Now, Sanity, in your video, are there apoplectic guys shouting in the face of the wheelchair-bound far lefty?

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 9:37:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Verbal violence is violence. I realise this is a snippet but I'm not convinced it is an isolated case.

What the snippet lacks is a wider context. Case in point, people are scared. People are losing their jobs. Families are losing their homes. They see it happening, if not to them then, around them, to someone they know about, and they're worried. The economy is looking like doom and gloom on Main Street, the government just keeps spending money like water, and this health bill is going to cost big-time. That makes a lot of people feel threatened, frustrated, angry, and those are not feelings that bring out the best in people.

The attitudes aren't pretty, but this isn't just a few guys being nasty to someone. It's also a commentary on the state of the country, a reflection of the degree to which people in this country are feeling threatened, frustrated, and angry. There is a larger problem here than the behavior of these few guys. I don't know whether this is an isolated case, but to my thinking the larger problem suggests that it won't be for long, if a way isn't soon found to address the divisions and discontent in this country.

K.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 9:40:37 PM

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I have a hidden disability (bipolar with psychosis) and to most folks, I am normal. I fought to get on disability because it was affecting me in employment, relationships and family. As long as I take my meds, I am about 50% better, but these meds pay a pretty cost due to the fact that they knock me out and make me appeared to be a stoner. I get up at 2 in the morning and chat with friends in PRS. Then I go back to bed and sleep some more. Lets not mention the weight gain from the meds *also has hypothyroidism*.

So I am happy to get my Medicare which helps pay for the meds and doctors visits. I pay the Medicare D myself and I love the discounts on the meds. I came down with pneumonia in January and if wasn't for the Part D, I would have been hospitalized. I just made sure I did the breathing treatments and refused to associate with my nieces and nephew as a preventative measure.

If someone was to approach me with the lack of compassion feeling that I was living off of his taxes, I will tell them that for $700+ a month at least I have a place to stay, MHMR to go to for my illness and not getting food stamps because I feel that I don't need it. I pay my own bills (internet, student loans, Medicare part D, roleplaying game (not WoW)and help my mother out since she just recently retired due to her disability.

If I was not worth breathing the same air as you, don't tell me to go to Canada. I did looked into immigrating there years ago but a lowly governmental employee was not high on their lists of acceptable candidate.

I am not left or right, blue or red, Democrat or Republican...I am an American first and foremost. I did my time in the US Army and my brothers did their time as well. I use the Hazlewood Act for my tuition when I want to go back to school. I voted this past month as a Democrat because there were no stamps for Independent. I pay for my own dental care as well.

Besides, I am from Native American stock...we were here before the accident involving C. Columbus occurred. Since that incident, the Native Americans have been screwed out of treatises and promises, have been assimilated into white society to the point of the bloodline is thinned out and some of us no longer can claim Indian heritage.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 9:42:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Verbal violence is violence. I realise this is a snippet but I'm not convinced it is an isolated case.

What the snippet lacks is a wider context. Case in point, people are scared. People are losing their jobs. Families are losing their homes. They see it happening, if not to them then, around them, to someone they know about, and they're worried. The economy is looking like doom and gloom on Main Street, the government just keeps spending money like water, and this health bill is going to cost big-time. That makes a lot of people feel threatened, frustrated, angry, and those are not feelings that bring out the best in people.

The attitudes aren't pretty, but this isn't just a few guys being nasty to someone. It's also a commentary on the state of the country, a reflection of the degree to which people in this country are feeling threatened, frustrated, and angry. There is a larger problem here than the behavior of these few guys. I don't know whether this is an isolated case, but to my thinking the larger problem suggests that it won't be for long, if a way isn't soon found to address the divisions and discontent in this country.

K.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 9:48:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

If you read my posts, you will realise that this is the exact point I have been building.

Then we are in accord.

K.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 9:59:11 PM

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Is this what fear and strife has turned a nation into?

Well... in a word, yes. Fear and hatred. Hatred of anything different, and fear that someone somewhere who sees the world differently will want something of theirs. This is America today, and this video is a sickeningly succinct example of how the health care debate of this past year has so completely changed my view of America and Americans. It's like when you have a family member who's always been a little bit off and hard to get along with, and you never really cared all that much for him to begin with - and then one day at a family reunion he gets blind drunk and you finally see him for the complete asshole he's really been all along.

On one level, you kind of knew it, because it was all there to see... but you didn't really see it all, because you just didn't want to see it all. But now you have no choice, because the drunken bastard is pawing your 12-year old sister right in front of your eyes. That's what you're seeing right now in America - the ugliest side of an already-ugly people, in their fullthroated, unashamed, xenophobic rage. And no matter how this turns out over the next 2 days, a lot of us will never be able to see the country the same way again. One way or another, people are finding out a lot about the country they're living in.

I understand where you are coming from Panda but it’s a mistake to believe all conservatives agree with those actions. I hate to say that anyone with a sign protesting is a fanatic but it does seem that way today.

If that asshole threw money in my face I'd do my best to make him eat it...damn I hate bullies.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 10:13:48 PM

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I was wondering if you asked these types of questions when you saw the "Acorn pimp" video?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
I wasn't referring to your poor dear tear-jerker of a helpless wheelchair bound leftist (was he deliberately egging them on for the sake of the camera I wonder?)

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 10:22:01 PM

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I understand where you are coming from Panda but it’s a mistake to believe all conservatives agree with those actions. I hate to say that anyone with a sign protesting is a fanatic but it does seem that way today.

Oh, but I don't believe that, Butch. I'm not saying that at all. There are plenty of goddamned good conservatives in this country, many of them on this board and one or two right here in this thread. Kirata, for example - if he and I spent an hour discussing politics, I doubt we'd find more than 5 basic political views on which we agree. But my respect for him is immeasurable, because I know that even where we disagree, every one of his principles is rooted in decency, sincerity, and a genuine compassion for other human beings. On every point he and I discussed, we would begin together at that juncture and go in separate directions from that point on, but I would respect every one of his positions and arguments because I would understand we were at least coming from the same place, and trying to get to the same place, regardless of the different paths we were following to that destination.

But the Kiratas in this country are increasingly outnumbered, and outshouted, by the other conservatives. The Sarah Palin, "we hate the health care bill even though we have no clue what's in it," "let's mock this guy with Parkinson's Disease because he's an easy target and he's dressed differently than us" conservatives. I know they're not all the conservatives in this country, but they're enough of them. More than I've ever seen before. And it's just - finally - too many.

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If that asshole threw money in my face I'd do my best to make him eat it...damn I hate bullies.

Me too. More than anything. Which is exactly why I find it almost impossible anymore to identify with the country in which i was born.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 10:53:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

There are plenty of goddamned good conservatives in this country, many of them on this board and one or two right here in this thread. Kirata, for example...

I want to thank you for the kind estimation of my character that followed the above. But I'll have you know that according to the Political Compass I am a few clicks away from center in the direction of Left-leaning Libertarianism.

K.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 11:00:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

I was wondering if you asked these types of questions when you saw the "Acorn pimp" video?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
I wasn't referring to your poor dear tear-jerker of a helpless wheelchair bound leftist (was he deliberately egging them on for the sake of the camera I wonder?)

ROFLMAO.....Sanity question right wing propaganda...I need some of what you are smoking....LOL

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 11:01:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Where is the compassion?

Back behind reason, where it should be. You'll forgive me or not, LadyA, but emotional appeal is not how I want to be persuaded about something of this magnitude. I have no reason to believe the bill my government has gone all butterfingers with is even going to do much to alleviate the problems. Perhaps they will be distributed a bit differently. It is a gigantic boondoggle, that will cost much, and achieve little, beyond driving a need for further "reform."

What backroom deals will be made between now and the rumored vote on Sunday? What drug company owns which Representative who insists on a what special little phrase to be added to the forest murdering monstrosity?

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 11:03:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
You really believe that all Leftist protesters are perfectly kind and moderate and loving and compassionate towards those with whom they disagree? And all Conservatives are horrid brutes?
Thanks for the laugh. Thats funny.

Give us an example.

I can, but you will have to believe me or ignore me, because it was a discussion on another forum and linking/quoting those is a no-no here. This was posted on a Democrat forum, BTW.

The OP in the thread stated that, while driving home one night, she saw a mini van stranded on the side of the road, and a woman with a small child in her arms. She started to pull over and offer the woman a ride, when she spotted a republican bumper sticker on the van. In her kindness and compassion, she swerved back onto the road, sped up, and left the woman and child standing there in the dust of her wake. The replies to the OP were mixed, with some chiding her (mostly because of the child) and others telling her that she did just the right thing. A couple of lovlies even suggested that the OP should have picked her up and proceeded to lecture her on her evil, republican ways. All this due to a friggin bumper sticker.

Being a mostly non-political person, I was completely disgusted by this woman's behaviour.
The truth is, there are extremists on both sides, and they all tend to collectively suck as human beings.

[Edited] The grammar nazi in me didn't like using "spotted" twice in two sentences, lol

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 11:10:29 PM

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What backroom deals will be made between now and the rumored vote on Sunday? What drug company owns which Representative who insists on a what special little phrase to be added to the forest murdering monstrosity?

Excellent questions.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 11:12:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Where is the compassion?

Back behind reason, where it should be. You'll forgive me or not, LadyA, but emotional appeal is not how I want to be persuaded about something of this magnitude. I have no reason to believe the bill my government has gone all butterfingers with is even going to do much to alleviate the problems. Perhaps they will be distributed a bit differently. It is a gigantic boondoggle, that will cost much, and achieve little, beyond driving a need for further "reform."

What backroom deals will be made between now and the rumored vote on Sunday? What drug company owns which Representative who insists on a what special little phrase to be added to the forest murdering monstrosity?

You know what Rich,much of what you say here is true....but it has always been so...and you know it.There is an old saying aboout people who like sausage....none of them actually want to see how the sausage is made.What we have here is a very contentious issue and we are all watching the sausage being made...To act as if any legislation coming out of Washington will be clean and pure is just being deceitful.
Do you agree that reform is needed in the Health Care Industry?
Do you think they could possibly have gone farther with this bill...and still get it passed?
Is this not the best step that can be taken today...and yes much as Sanity would scream from the hilltops this is just a first step in a process that will hopefully lead to single payer health in this country....which in my opinion is not only the natural conclusion to all of this drama....but the best solution to health care in this country.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/19/2010 11:25:41 PM

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Nothing in CM's rules would stop you from telling us where to find it, right? Please...

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

I can, but you will have to believe me or ignore me, because it was a discussion on another forum and linking/quoting those is a no-no here. This was posted on a Democrat forum, BTW.

The OP in the thread stated that, while driving home one night, she saw a mini van stranded on the side of the road, and a woman with a small child in her arms. She started to pull over and offer the woman a ride, when she spotted a republican bumper sticker on the van. In her kindness and compassion, she swerved back onto the road, sped up, and left the woman and child standing there in the dust of her wake. The replies to the OP were mixed, with some chiding her (mostly because of the child) and others telling her that she did just the right thing. A couple of lovlies even suggested that the OP should have picked her up and proceeded to lecture her on her evil, republican ways. All this due to a friggin bumper sticker.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 12:04:22 AM

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Nothing in CM's rules would stop you from telling us where to find it, right? Please...

Cmail me for a link, mcbride. Modspanks aren't fun, so I'm not going to post it.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 12:06:48 AM

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Lady A,

There is a disturbingly nasty mob mentality that is becoming more prevalent and visible in the U.S. The video does not come as a surprise but rather reinforces my perception of what is happening here.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 12:07:40 AM

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Actually, check that, I found it.

The writer seems to realize how awful it was: "I thought about people flaming me and how much I deserved it... I agree, I do deserve guilt. I totally agree."

I read most of the replies, almost all chiding her...only saw three out of 95 replies that thought she did the right thing, (plus one who thought stopping for anyone on a country was a security risk) and of course, it got lots of play at National Review Online and freerepublic, where it was given these keywords: compassion; demgurl; du; haters; leftists; liberals; mentalillness; scumbags; skank

All of which proves Lady Angelica's point about lack of compassion.

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