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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 7:38:23 AM   
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The truth can be bothersome, can't it.


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That guy's lucky he wasn't a Conservative, and those weren't enraged leftists, especially union thugs - or he might not have lived.




That's just a dick thing to say


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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 7:39:22 AM   
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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 7:59:27 AM   
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Coming from you, such a statement only serves to make me glad that I am of some use to this world.


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That you sometimes post like a dick?..... yeah it is bothersome


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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 7:59:38 AM   
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That guy's lucky he wasn't a Conservative, and those weren't enraged leftists, especially union thugs - or he might not have lived.




That's just a dick thing to say


And, given who posted that, you are surprised because....


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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 8:01:09 AM   
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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 8:04:30 AM   
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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 8:19:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		This made me about as sick as reading the thread on that damned insurance company dropping the kid with HIV.

I'll say it again: single payer, public option, federally subsidized, affordable, no more of this anti-trust law exception bullshit, health care for ALL!

And if some overly active heartless, greedy, capitalists, mother fucker can't pull his head out of his ass long enough to understand that proper funding really isn't that hard to find with a fiscally responsible government, he can straight to hell.

I wanted to add hits because of the LARGE proportion of Christian Conservatives out there: This type of thing is NOT the Christian thing to do. Christ was charitable and encouraged ALL people to be as such. And if you can't find enough passages in the Bible to support that message, then you're blind.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 8:25:59 AM   
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Thats the same sort of charm that got Obama elected...




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I'm not surprised, it just makes me shake my head.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 8:30:35 AM   
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You really believe that all Leftist protesters are perfectly kind and moderate and loving and compassionate towards those with whom they disagree?  And all Conservatives are horrid brutes?

Thanks for the laugh. Thats funny. 


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Is that one of those stories you tell yourself so that you can sleep at night?

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Yes, actually I think she does.


An excellent practice when coming on a thread that is 4 pages long is instead of responding to a thread on the first page with grand sweeping judgement is to read through and see if there has been evolution.

I'm not saying this to single you out thishereboi. I have been guilty of this myself in the past. But I am now trying to read through a thread before responding to something early on.

Sanity made an assumption for which even he acknowledged was an assumption.

You might be interested in this post by me:
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For the record, I never wanted to turn this into a left/right debate. It was more a comment on how the fear caused by all the instability is tearing what once was a beautiful nation apart.


Or this post by Sanity:
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I got the distinct impression that you wanted to make this a Left / Right issue from the very beginning.
If I am wrong about that I apologize.


And this reply by me:
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I won't deny that I am a Liberal, which is much more to the left than your Democrats. I think what lead you to believe that I was making it a left/right issue is that the video shows the right being verbally violent to the left.

But the problem is larger than that. The division is really tearing your nation apart. You might not see it as you are in it, but from the outside, it is a scary thing to witness.


Those were just on the very next page.

Instead of thinking things about me, learn things about me. If people adopted such a practice, there might be a lot less division in the US and around the rest of the world.

- LA






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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 8:32:28 AM   
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If it wasn't for the sign he was holding, I wouldn't haven't been able to tell who was supposed to be the guy with Parkinson's disease.

Parkinson's is a degenerative condition of the central nervous system. It's called a "movement disorder" because its most immediately noticable symptom is tremors. Parkinson's patients often have an unsteady gait, difficulty swallowing, and stiff and aching muscles. That guy in the video is holding his sign perfectly steady. His head is stable. His posture is stable. His balance is stable. I would never have recognized him as a Parkinson's patient.

But that said, even if he was a shill there remains the fact that the attitude of the people paying attention to him is nothing to be praised.

K.


Which is exactly what Limbaugh accused Michael J. Fox of doing. 

Illnesses like these often have remittent symptoms.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 8:42:30 AM   
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Where is the compassion?



Back behind reason, where it should be.  You'll forgive me or not, LadyA, but emotional appeal is not how I want to be persuaded about something of this magnitude.  I have no reason to believe the bill my government has gone all butterfingers with is even going to do much to alleviate the problems.  Perhaps they will be distributed a bit differently.  It is a gigantic boondoggle, that will cost much, and achieve little, beyond driving a need for further "reform."

What backroom deals will be made between now and the rumored vote on Sunday?  What drug company owns which Representative who insists on a what special little phrase to be added to the forest murdering monstrosity?



TheHeretic,

There is nothing to forgive really. I won't claim to be an expert on what is going on with your healthcare bill as well, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't affect me directly. If I pass any comment it is because it affects some friends and relatives of mine directly (half of my family on my mother's side is located in the US).

What I have heard from some of the more liberal press that I enjoy, even from the liberal side, is that this is not an ideal bill. I am wondering 2 things: is there such thing as an ideal healthcare plan that makes absolutely everyone happy? And even if there was, would it be possible that it emerged from or be implemented successfully in a country that is so implemented by strife?

I'm sure deals will be made, as they are everywhere else in the world. I'm sure they are made in socialist countries as well, this is not just an American thing, this is a power thing. But the reality is, you need a plan where no one falls through the cracks, where when one member of the family is hit with terminal illness, the rest of the family is not left bankrupt because they tried to fight the disease medically. Things need to start from a place of compassion.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 8:50:52 AM   
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My apologies to LA for the direction this thread has taken. I only intended to post a requested example of 'unlovely' behaviour on the part of the left in the course of the discussion. Mea culpa.


Absolutely not. I'm glad you came forward with this example. As I mentioned far too often, the issue of this post is not that the right is bad and the left is good. The point is that there is extremism is on the rise in the US to the point that it is tearing the nation apart.

Opposition is a good thing as it keeps the party which is in power in check. But when opposition in a political system is viewed as the enemy, that is when a country starts getting torn apart.

- LA

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 9:00:56 AM   
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Take a vote in any country that has government run healthcare. Ask the population if they would rather have their present healthcare system or what the US has now. Every single country will choose the government run system they have over the present US system.

Post #68 doesn't seem to think so. Just sayin'.



As mcbride and cadenas demonstrated following your post, domroomiesneeded not only has much of his facts wrong but also does not represent the majority of Canadians.

Is our healthcare system perfect? Oh gosh no. But a few years back, at the very same time, I had an Canadian uncle and an American cousin battling cancer and visited them both. The only difference I noticed in their situation is that my Canadian aunt did not have the burden of watching her bank account dry out on top of watching her husband battle cancer. That is a burden no one needs.

My uncle made it and my cousin didn't. That has nothing to do with the health care system but rather their own individual bodies coping with the disease. However, a part of me has always wondered however if subliminally one stops fighting if they know they are a financial burden on their family. My cousin had 2 kids who were just about to go to college. Was he going to dip into those funds to live? Knowing my cousin the way I did, I always wondered this. He was definitely a generous man who always put others first.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 9:01:02 AM   
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I'll say it again: single payer, public option, federally subsidized, affordable, no more of this anti-trust law exception bullshit, health care for ALL!




Right.  Fraud, waste and abuse on a scale previously unimagined.  No competition to act as any sort of counterweight to it.  Said fraud then leads to onerous regulation, increasing costs and diminishing the efficiency and quality of care.

IF, and it is an enormous IF, we are going to turn healthcare into an entitlement, nationalization is the only sustainable way to do it.  I'm not convinced that the current symptoms are worse than such a cure.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 9:02:28 AM   
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You know, like the Army?

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 9:03:13 AM   
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Which is exactly what Limbaugh accused Michael J. Fox of doing. 

Illnesses like these often have remittent symptoms.



Hell to me it made no difference if he was sick or not... that behavior deserved a pop in the mouth.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 9:14:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		The thing about the US is -- this too shall pass. The US has always been a country of volital emotions. And we do get past it and we do maintain a strong bond no matter what strife we encounter. Hell we have lived together for over 250 years, i think we are entitled to growing pains and disagreement and such with a major CHANGE in our country. The point is this is something utterly NEW to the US, and so yeah i would be disappointed if the extreme of emotions didn't come out of it. We are a passionate country.

People will say omg look at the Americans however they have ALWAYS said things like that so i am not surprised people from outside the US are saying things like this thread. However, this country is one that pretty much lands on its feet and maintains a leadership role in the world. We have our ups and downs like any country. If you look back on history you will see that our country has always had very divided umm ermm disagreements lol. Sometimes they have been resolved easily and hell even once we broke out in a civil war.

While people will just individual incidents and are more capable of doing so now because of the internet and such, the passion of the US and these types of incidents aren't as new as people think they are. The US has always been a country of divided interests and passionate interests and the ability to proclaim same. The only reason it appears new to the rest of the world over the last 10 years is because of the internet and the average persons ability to access more and more information of the US. Also, it appears more from the US than other countries because in all actuality whether you want to agree or not the truth is people wanna know about the US. Its like celebrity status versus the average person -- the celebrities bads and uglies get expounded upon to everyone because people wanna know.


What always amuses me is how much the world always wants to know about and comments about our country lol. However, what's happening right now in our county is we are going through a rough patch, i think we are entitled especially with regard to a MAJOR change for our country. The fact people want to judge the US because of same flabbergasts me.

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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 9:23:53 AM   
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Yeah, I hate it when the Government can't run an orginization.

You know, like the Army?



Let me get this straight......The Dem's are trying to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, who's leader says it needs to be passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, to even know what's in it, to be signed by a President that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, all to be overseen by a Surgeon General who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke.

What the hell could possibly go wrong????

And you wonder where the "compassion" is


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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 9:30:43 AM   
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When the time has arrived for me to argue on the behalf of your partisan views I will hold a press conference to announce it so that there will be no doubts, thornhappy. There will be banners and balloons, and cake.


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I was wondering if you asked these types of questions when you saw the "Acorn pimp" video?


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RE: Where is the compassion? - 3/20/2010 9:32:47 AM   
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Right.  Fraud, waste and abuse on a scale previously unimagined.  No competition to act as any sort of counterweight to it.  Said fraud then leads to onerous regulation, increasing costs and diminishing the efficiency and quality of care.
That is indeed a frightneing litany of the consequences of what BoiJen advocated, however it isn't borne up by the experiences of those countries that have instituted such a system.


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