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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 4:56:43 AM

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No because the position im in at the moment though it is unpaid is more suited to my skills. I simply dont have the experience of working in a fast food restaurant and I dont think I would be cut out for that role
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 5:00:42 AM

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Even if I was on benefit, your taxes would not be paying for my upkeep. As you live in the UK , your taxes pay for the Social Welfare benefits of UK recipients only. Irish taxpayers. and I have been one myself having been in and out of work for reasons of health breakdown over the last five-ten years, are the ones who pay for social welfare in Ireland, that is people living and working in Ireland not necessarily born Irish but working and living in Ireland
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 5:02:01 AM

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i just got up and havent had coffee yet but Reallllllly????

They said : "It would be like starting again. Im not working as a dogsbody for anyone. And in any event I do NOT have the experience or skills for that kind of work. "

But.. if a person Needs or Wants a job and something cash-like coming in ... then whatever it is shouldnt matter (IMO) and
"no skills for this"?
if a highschool student can do it.. i imagin anyone can!

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 5:04:43 AM

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Even if I was on benefit, your taxes would not be paying for my upkeep. As you live in the UK , your taxes pay for the Social Welfare benefits of UK recipients only. Irish taxpayers. and I have been one myself having been in and out of work for reasons of health breakdown over the last five-ten years, are the ones who pay for social welfare in Ireland, that is people living and working in Ireland not necessarily born Irish but working and living in Ireland
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Babe, don't even go there. You have no idea what I pay, nor my heritage.

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 5:07:40 AM

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Thats exactly the point. A high school student would be selected for that kind of role . Im too old and have too much experience of life, they would laugh at me , a graduate with an Honours degree in English and History looking to work in a fast food restaurant. Im over qualified but unfortunately like many graduates that s the way it is and I am doing a unpaid albeit work experience which is more suited to my skills. I know a graduate in my area who has a double law degree , Honours Law degree and cant get employment its just the way it is , it will get better and mean time Im putting in a shift so that I can show that I worked during a time of mass unemployment, didnt just sit on my ass, albeit for nothing. As well I have gone back to do a certificate in business and am doing my final exam tomorrow morning. So I want to better myself and in time it will pay off . But asking for a job in a fast food restaurant? Lunacy, I would never be accepted
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 5:08:44 AM

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I know that you live in London therefore you are not paying for social welfare recipients in the Irish republic just as workers in the Irish state are not paying for social welfare recipients in the UK
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 5:11:06 AM

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Even if I was on benefit, your taxes would not be paying for my upkeep. As you live in the UK , your taxes pay for the Social Welfare benefits of UK recipients only. Irish taxpayers. and I have been one myself having been in and out of work for reasons of health breakdown over the last five-ten years, are the ones who pay for social welfare in Ireland, that is people living and working in Ireland not necessarily born Irish but working and living in Ireland
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Aside from your huge jump of assumption - your NOT entitled to benefits. You have enough money to sustain yourself. You work as an unpaid volunteer. And that is it. Do you contribute to taxes or the economy in any way at all(other than shopping and the odd pro)? Any contributions whatsoever, even though you choose to be unemployed - so that you can provide for yourself in the future when you are old and grey?

Do you have any definable and admirable feature that a dominant woman might be attracted to? Do you try to better yourself other than complain?

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 5:14:17 AM

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Kevin?

I thought that you didn't need any experience to work? So how could you not having the experience or skills keep you from working at say McD's? OOOOO yeah, cuz that is what you consider beneath you since it doesn't pay enough. Having said that, you are *working* for free and you just don't get that what you're saying is, as MissA said, CONTRADICTORY.

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 5:20:50 AM

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I know that you live in London therefore you are not paying for social welfare recipients in the Irish republic just as workers in the Irish state are not paying for social welfare recipients in the UK
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Kevin - you are just embaressing yourself more, because you have no idea where I live apparently!

You also have no idea what I or anyone else here may be involved in financially so you are making huge assumptions - but that is normal - this thread is a great example of the leaps you make. However you have clearly admitted you have enough money and savings for you to not be entitled to any type of benefit. You work as a volunteer when you could be doing paid work. It's not hard for anyone to do the math.

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 5:40:14 AM

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kevin everything we talk about is about something you have said. you are working for free, but the land of the golden arches is beneath you. hm...there is a "manager" position...and if McDonalds is still too embarressing, try cutting somebody else grass, running errands- is that more suitable for you? And dispite the fact that you don't qualify for public assistance, you've said yourself, that you don't want it. you're living off savings- and you dare to be picky? Nobody said to make a career out of McDonald's but there are 4 months left before the end of summer, so why not have a PAYING job in between time? Come to think of it the end of summer is pretty broad- it could stretch all the way to December, then what type of sitiuation would you be in at that point? Still siphoning off what you have or working at the drive-thru. As somebody who has been living on their own since 16- i took whatever I could get to NOT be homeless.

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 6:43:48 AM

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Im excluded from social welfare, often mocked as dole money by those who look down on those who are unemployed especially, but which is actually a State entitlement, certainly in Ireland where I am, once unemployed and once you meet a certain level of means , above that level of means you are excluded, i am above that level of means,
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Just to make sure I understand what you are saying....

You are unemployed and have 0 income, but because you put away a savings account, you don't qualify for welfare?

Sorry, but that really sounds fucked up. Here they base your qualification on what you earn today. Not what you have squirreled away in your savings account. In fact I am pretty sure, they never look at your bank accounts here.

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 6:45:42 AM

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It is because my income is ABOVE the very low level of means needed to qualify for assistance.

I thought you said you had no income?

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 6:49:53 AM

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What Kevin is basically saying is that he has enough savings to live on and so the government will not subsidise his lifestyle by paying him unemployment benefit. Unemployment benefit that is there thanks to the taxes that people pay. If Kevin has enough money in the bank then I am GLAD that my taxes aren't paying for his upkeep.

And basically, he has also stated that he isn't on an apprenticeship nor is he on work experience but he is doing volunteer work.

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Well, I am glad they don't think that way here. I have been paying into unemployment all my life and would be very pissed off, if I had gone to collect and they told me "sorry, you saved too much money while you were working, live on that"

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 6:55:22 AM

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Kevin?

I thought that you didn't need any experience to work? So how could you not having the experience or skills keep you from working at say McD's? OOOOO yeah, cuz that is what you consider beneath you since it doesn't pay enough. Having said that, you are *working* for free and you just don't get that what you're saying is, as MissA said, CONTRADICTORY.

Do us all a favor, take a long walk off a short pier.

Never thought this would happen but why not.

I am going to have to support what Kevin said in this one.

He didn't say that lack of experience or skills would keep him from working at McD's , he said he was overqualified and they would not hire him. Now I can't say for sure about Ireland, but in the states he would be correct. If you have too much experience the manager at your local McD's will not want to waste time training you, when they know you will leave at the first sign of a decent job.

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 7:07:49 AM

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This is one of the big problems here THB - if you save, it can easily work against you when it comes to unemployment benefits, housing benefits and so on - and especially when it comes to old age; if you need to go into a care home and you have no savings or assets, the state pays for you - if you have a home you paid off or other assets, you have to pay for yourself. Its an obvious disincentive to do anything for yourself and there is much fuss about it here - those responsible/successful in life end up with nothing just the same as if they had not been responsible/successful.

At the same time though, the state just cannot afford, apparently, to pay for everyone who needs taxpayer support and the idea anyway is that it should be a safety net rather than a universal entitlement. I question the affordability issue given the seas of wealth, even in these dark times, that swill around the UK - but then raising enough tax to fill the gap would have effects throughout the economy, especially the private part that generates the income, which would not be good in a competitive European, let alone global economy.

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 7:13:14 AM

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If by the end of the summer, I am not being paid a wage or an arrangement is not in place to give me a paid position and very quickly , I will walk. I will NOT be working for my work experience manager or Her firm beyond September thats for sure if I am NOT being paid , the arrangement is 9 months and 9 months it will be only if I am not offered a paid position
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 7:15:03 AM

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Your right I dont. But all I can go by is your profile. Why on earth would you put London UK on your profile if you reside in Ireland. That makes no sense and I cant credit that you would do such a thing
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 7:19:08 AM

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To answer your first question I do contribute to the economy and I do look out for the poor. I dont pass a beggar without giving him/her a euro most times. I appreciate that there are people worse off than me, much worse off than me, and I dont know maybe it s because I have experienced tough times in my own life that I look out for people and have sympathy for the underdog in society I dont know, or maybe its my upbringing but like i say i do look out for people. To your second question I dont see it as volunteer work, it is work experience with a purpose- namely being offered a paid position at the end of the nine months for satisfactory service rendered- if that does not materialise, I will not be working for the company beyond September. I am not giving myself for free. I am not an errand boy either
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 7:23:51 AM

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And as for State entitlement to benefit Im not entitled to it, your right but I never said I was you misread me. I said that if I met the MEANS TEST, guideline which I dont , I have an income level ABOVE that means test guideline, I would be entitled to benefit as those who do not have means or have means of the level needed and no more for State entitlement to benefit are. And before you knock me again, remember this,. those on benefit have worked to gain that benefit , its not Your taxes, in order to be entitled to benefit , you must work 12 months and have stamps to prove it, otherwise you dont get it, you get assistance which is very different, in effect the State is just giving you your taxes back which in the absence of an income, that person is deserving of those taxes back, after all he/she PAID those taxes in the first place out of THEIR income not out of TAXPAYERS income
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 7:32:21 AM

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I know that a lot of places won't hire because of over-qualification. I've been in that situation myself.

I also know as case in point that applying for any type of benefit (in Canada at least) that if you have savings or any asset beyond what they consider the "norm", you will have to live off that until it's gone. Even if that includes having to sell your vehicle, sell the house you own (if you do), or "spend" any savings you have (bank account, bonds, whatever). Why do I know this? Because it happened to me but I was lucky (or not so lucky) that it'd been beyond the time period and that my vehicle was considered old enough not to count as an asset.

Now kevin may consider himself overqualified BUT he's also the one who said he didn't want to start over and something about lousy wages. My deceased brother in law was a mover an shaker in parliamentary circles. That being said he stated quite clearly that should said job be lost he would gladly have accepted any position regardless of income to help support his family. Nothing was beneath him. I may not have liked him much at times, but I knew he had nothing but my sister and niece's best interests at heart.

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