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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/5/2010 3:16:32 PM

lobodomslavery

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Yeah you see your spending your money and there is an economic benefit to the company you bought from and to the Government in taxes. The difference with others, the casino bankers , is that they are not spending money for economic benefit they are gambling and wasting tax payers money for economic ruin
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/5/2010 3:24:55 PM

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and as a sidebar- its been a few years since i was in the UK for school...but i do believe "work expirence" is the same as a low paying internship in the US.

I thought Kevin was above school age? Kevin - do you mean your on an apprenticeship? Unless your about 15, I would challenge your claim you are on work experience.

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/5/2010 3:28:02 PM

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Call it work experience call it apprenticeship, the bottom line is Im working three hours per afternoon for the last six months unpaid. I was not offered full time. I asked for it but they said no that FAS regulations were that the apprenticeship be part time hours only and the company could not break these regulations
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/5/2010 4:34:47 PM

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i suppose you do not see the hilarity in all of this kevin. i have pretty much laid out how big of a contradiction you are, and you didnt even notice it. you frequently bash me and others for being a prodomme(though it is our personal choice) then we i buy a $50,000+ car with money i earned just from being a prodomme, you encourage it. i find you laughable.

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/5/2010 5:15:54 PM

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I have savings from previous jobs which means Im excluded because of means. I have no problem with that. There are people that are far worse off than me and deserve to be catered for because of this
kevin

Excluded from what?

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 1:00:38 AM

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There is no contradiction Miss Asylum. You are spending Your money to pleasure yourself mainly but You are also helping another business and the wider economy as the VAT for the sale goes to the Government. Casino bankers on the other hand were spending OUR money, TAXPAYERS money and wasting it. Now the banks are big in debt because of this and who is paying for this scandal. TAXPAYERS. On the other hand , when you charge someone else what I think is a bit over the top, but lets not go there, thats another issue entirely which Im not getting into, we agree to disagree, You are I think ripping someone else off. But however the very fact you are spending money, however you get it in the first place means you are helping the wider economy and the Government
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 1:04:17 AM

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Im excluded from social welfare, often mocked as dole money by those who look down on those who are unemployed especially, but which is actually a State entitlement, certainly in Ireland where I am, once unemployed and once you meet a certain level of means , above that level of means you are excluded, i am above that level of means,
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 1:36:48 AM

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the people here don't look down on you for being on the dole(if you were). they look down on you because you're high and mighty about it.

and i'm surpirsed at you- you hijack threads on the regular to down prodommes(including one i was on earlier) and yet you aren't getting into one now? shocking.

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 1:53:47 AM

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What i meant when i said look down on, i mean in general not to this group specifically. But i t does not bother me . People are entitled to hold whatever opinion they wish to hold . But no Im not referring to this group when i say people look down on people on the dole , I m referring an attitude Iv e come across from a minority of Dublin folk i have encountered. But most people are absolutely fine. When I was on the dole only one person mocked me because of it
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 2:05:11 AM

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When I was on the dole only one person mocked me because of it

So all this whingeing you do is caused by the actions of one person?

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 2:09:45 AM

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let us define contradiction:

Main Entry: con·tra·dic·tion
Pronunciation: \ˌkän-trə-ˈdik-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : act or an instance of contradicting
2 a : a proposition, statement, or phrase that asserts or implies both the truth and falsity of something b : a statement or phrase whose parts contradict each other <a round square is a contradiction in terms>
3 a : logical incongruity b : a situation in which inherent factors, actions, or propositions are inconsistent or contrary to one another

i recomend you take a good, long, hard look at #3, its almost speaking right to you. You should feel special.

with that said, here is how you my dear kevin, are a contradiction in an of yourself:

you make a big deal out a being on 3 hours a day work expirence making no money and you said you would like to be on a low paying internship + you don't want public assistance, which gives you more money= contradiction

You are still unemployed You have fussed at others making money and living comfortably + you applaude me for buying a new car = contradiction

you've attempted to force the idea of a $40/hour session on me + you can't really afford one in the first place = contradiction

You try to assert your "knowledge" on economics and you boast about being very talented and skilled + you are, in fact, JOBLESS.( fyi- people are still hired, even when the economy was at its at its lowest people with REPUTABLE skills and talent STILL MADE MONEY AND WERE HIRED FOR JOBS. so what does this say about you kevin?) = contradiction

seriously anybody who has read your posts can see that you are a World Class Complainer as well as A World Class Bum. If you REALLY wanted to work- you'd take ANY job you could get. Not wait for one to be handed to you. If you were HALF as smart as you put on to be- there would be people from ALL OVER the world trying to bust down your door for you to work for them. Are they? No. You aren't resting secured a job after your work expirence, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING, contrary to how you feel like you are actually owed something. Despite your country being 5 billion in debt, you are not in a third world country where there isnt even hope for any type of employment opportunities.

So like I said before: sing a new song, this tune is getting old.

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 3:50:35 AM

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It s useless trying to explain this to You . But Ill try. I would love to have as you put it public assistance. However I do not ie DONT qualify. When my entitlement to social welfare ran out , I was told the reason. It is because my income is ABOVE the very low level of means needed to qualify for assistance. In other words, there are people who have less means than me and I do not fit into that category, therefore, I am NOT entited to public assistance. There is no contradiction but You can deduce what You want , I know that I have skills , I know that I am of value to others but I also know that like MILLIONS others , there is no work out there. Companies are NOT hiring and therefore it is very difficult to get work with the best will in the world. That is not a complaint. That is FACT
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 3:54:24 AM

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And by the way the only ones Im particularly critical of who are making money are those who are continuing to make money while at the same time have prevented others from making money by their, the casino bankers, crass negligence and stupidity which joe soap taxpayer is now paying for and will continue to pay for for decades to come when and if they finally do get back into employment, once this mess , of the casino bankers making is sorted out. And lets be honest, would you not be critical of organisations who have without your permission messed around which results in You paying in tax dollars for the excesses of the incompetent. Im damn sure if you think about it for a moment that that does not make you happy
kevin

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 3:59:02 AM

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And yes you will tell me that there is work in McDonalds etc. But I am not going to work in McDonalds. Have you heard what they paid? It is crap money. It would be like starting again. Im not working as a dogsbody for anyone. And in any event I do NOT have the experience or skills for that kind of work. My specialty is like many others OFFICE work which if you have not noticed, the market for that is not very good at the moment. It is next to impossible to get an office JOB.
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 4:03:54 AM

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We hired someone last night Kevin. Around 2230hrs the deal was completed - such is the nature of running a business.

He approached us, claiming to have the skills, knowledge and ability required. We checked him out a little and it seemed true. But we've been burned before by bullshitters, so we proposed a deal that no bullshitter would risk - he took it, indicating either dire desperation or genuine self belief. If what he says turns out to be true then he will get far more pay than me (but then I get dividends on profit). If what he says is bullshit, it will cost us next to nothing.

There is no such thing as a job any more, unless its one of those at minimum wage or just above. What there is is a contract whereby the employee convinces the employer what a great deal it would be to buy his services, whether these are front office representing gains to the business or back office representing savings to the business. If an employee can develop skills, knowledge and abilities that exceed the average he will always stand out and get hired - but that requires marketing like any business, to keep up with what is required and what that something extra ought to be - continual professional development in other words.

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 4:07:58 AM

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And the reason many companies are going bust is that they are not making a profit. And why? Because they are not bringing in very much money and they cant meet their financial obligations to keep the company sustained. And who sustains companies? The customer who spends money, generates an income for the business owner , money which he can use to pay his staff or Her staff as well as pay for goods, pay suppliers , pay for overheads etc. If customers spend money , money goes into a business and it is possible for businesses to survive and pay their staff and stay afloat etc. So consumer spending , you buying a car is helping consumer spending and helping businesses is good. But casino bankers taking TAXPAYERS money and putting it into shares which fall in value is bad because it is draining money from an economy, it creates uncertainty, people start getting worried about their job security because suddenly the banks are in debt cant pay their staff and the trickle down affect is obvious, the staff who lose their job stop spending in the wider economy because they cant afford to and this affects business big time as the cumulative affect of a drop in consumer spending means less money coming in and if this worsens as it did and it may be continuing now , companies dont make profits and more staff lose their jobs. The two are completley different if you cant understand that , then Miss Asylum, you are Young and bright and intelligent and Im sure a simple book on basic economics would help
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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 4:12:00 AM

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I agree. A job is a contract between Employer and employee . If the employee does not bring in business for the employer or fulfill his or her contract then its only right that that person is let go because the employee is costing the business. Thankfully I have brought in business contacts for my work experience manager, over 50 new contacts since I started, which is very good in the very tough times and given that I only can work part time by the regulations of the work experience contract as specified by FAS. Bottom line is my manager is very happy with my performance and I am proving to be an asset. So much so that She said She will give me a paid position at the end of the Summer all going well
kevin

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 4:48:43 AM

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And yes you will tell me that there is work in McDonalds etc. But I am not going to work in McDonalds. Have you heard what they paid? It is crap money. It would be like starting again. Im not working as a dogsbody for anyone. And in any event I do NOT have the experience or skills for that kind of work. My specialty is like many others OFFICE work which if you have not noticed, the market for that is not very good at the moment. It is next to impossible to get an office JOB.
kevin

Right...because getting paid crap is so wrong when you're not getting paid anything at all. Because working as a dogsbody would be so much worse than not working at all.

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 4:48:47 AM

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Very well. But lets get a few things straight. Number one. She did not add value to the company if she did , She would not have been fired.

Stuff and nonsense.

You say she worked for a brokerage (finanical) firm. In that business, certain positions are not at all like traditional jobs (and given her earnings raise, it sounds like she moved into one of those). When you manage other peoples' and other companies' money, the majority of your pay is based upon performance: whether you increase or decrease the value of their financial holdings. If your stock picks do well and the portfolios you manage for others gain in value, you get more pay--often lots more pay--because the company doesn't want to lose your talent to another firm. And the reverse is also very true. Do poorly, cause your portfolios to lose value for your clients, and you're booted--no matter how much of a superstar you were in the past. It's a very unstable and stressful sort of work to do for that reason. But the fact is that a very significant part of the money that portfolio managers earn is a bonus, kind of like a sales commission, except the only thing they sell ("only, heh!) are their performance attribution stats to the company board once a quarter. They need to convince the firm they work for that they made sound decisions, and why. It's very hard to lie about this sort of thing: the porfolios are either worth more than last quarter or worth less, and no matter what pretty stories you weave around a loss, the fact that there was a loss is what counts most to your superiors. It's a very ruthless sort of business and takes a special sort of personality to handle the stress involved.

I don't work in the money-management business but I work around it so I understand a little about how it runs. The starting salary you mentioned is very similar, after the translation to usd, to what starting PM's make in my country. However comfortable it may seem to us, it's considered a bare minimum in that business and the new employee is expected, after they build up their client base, to earn a great deal more. It's just a fact of life: people with a talent for making money for others tend to be compensated very well, so they will continue doing what it is they do so well and doing it for your firm, not the employer next door who is also offering them tantalizing salary/bonus packages. The most likely reason that woman was sacked was because she had several consecutive quarters in which she did not perform well and the investments she managed for others lost value.

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RE: A bit of Justice finally - 5/6/2010 4:54:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

I have savings from previous jobs which means Im excluded because of means. I have no problem with that. There are people that are far worse off than me and deserve to be catered for because of this
kevin

Excluded from what?

What Kevin is basically saying is that he has enough savings to live on and so the government will not subsidise his lifestyle by paying him unemployment benefit. Unemployment benefit that is there thanks to the taxes that people pay. If Kevin has enough money in the bank then I am GLAD that my taxes aren't paying for his upkeep.

And basically, he has also stated that he isn't on an apprenticeship nor is he on work experience but he is doing volunteer work.

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