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Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 3:39:44 AM

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The deadline for submitting work to Reason's Everybody Draw Mohammed contest has passed; winners will be shown on Thursday, May 20.

All that remains is anticipation, both of the artwork that will be displayed and the possible threats of violence that will likely follow. Or should that be "the likely threats of possible violence"?

Before the calendar page turns to Thursday, it's worth meditating on the whys and wherefores of the contest, which was inspired by a jihadist death threat against the creators of South Park and was originally suggested by Seattle artist Molly Norris. Soon after asking everyone to draw the Prophet in solidarity with the arguably millions of people repressed by threats of theologically justified violence, Norris herself went into ideological hiding, suggesting instead that everyone draw another target of South Park satire: former Vice President Al Gore.

http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/18/get-ready-for-everyone-draw-mo

Will you be celebrating Draw Mohammed day?

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 3:46:55 AM

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That's so provocative but it's still pretty funny.

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 5:07:42 AM

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Hmmm, let's look at this, whatever the intention of the exercise, it is most certainly going to upset certain factions within Islam, so the likelihood of threats will continue or increase and dependant on the magnitude of the perceived insult whatever action might result. If that action is activities that could be described as terrorist in nature, once again all of us have fallen into the war monger's and arms manufacturer's trap, for more conflict will be justified in either retaliation or in the name of protecting civil liberties.

Maybe we have too much liberty for lessons should have been learned by now, go around insulting others for fun or whatever excuse often results on limitation of the freedoms that we have. We could be in effect imprisoning ourselves with our liberty, for those that lord over us will provide protection of our liberties, by enhancing surveillance and travel security, an event which hinders us all and puts us all under suspicion of being a terrorist.

But political activists, they don't have to fly in from overseas, because those that might perceive insult are generally all around us,part of any immigrant population, so a retaliation might come from within, which inevitably will lead to yet more security tomake us appear safe.

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 5:14:52 AM

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To be followed by the Mapplethorpe Piss on a Crucifix Day, no doubt.

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 6:39:07 AM

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It is already bash christians day everyday. That has been ok for a long time.

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 7:12:44 AM

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Yes those poor down trodden christians.

If only they would...........turn to other cheek?

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 4:49:48 PM

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Yes those poor down trodden christians.

If only they would...........turn to other cheek?

That's actually a pretty solid point with regards to anyone saying that it's a negative depiction of a religion that automatically causes people to act violently.

If one religion says "Turn the other cheek if they trash you" and another religion says "Bust out the jihad if they trash you" then it's fairly obvious that a negative portrayal of a religion isn't inherently going to spark a killing spree.

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 5:01:38 PM

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Here in the U.S. The number of muslims that are going to get their turbans in a twist over a cartoon of Mohammed are about the same as Christians that kill abortion Dr's and queers.

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 5:07:11 PM

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Here in the U.S. The number of muslims that are going to get their turbans in a twist over a cartoon of Mohammed are about the same as Christians that kill abortion Dr's and queers.

But not the same as the amount of Christians who issue death threats for crucifixion imagery at postmodern art shows.

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 5:11:29 PM

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No. the Christians are a cowardly and wiley bunch. They don't announce to the abortion Dr that he is marked for death. they just sneak up at night and shoot him.

How many muslims have actually killed someone that has drawn a picture of mohammed?

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 5:11:52 PM

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At one time anyone who dared to trash the christian thing was dealt a severe blow, but now trashing that religion seems to be an ok thing and all that given freedom af thought and speech is now championed and that the religious authorites have thankfully lost their power, but although the following of Islam is a minority belief in a country and so lttle threat beyond the idealist nutcase, what is it with you guys, do you look for trouble ?

Now I as a rule believe in live and let live, I live my life as I see fit without others intervention, fine, I will leave others to live their life as they see fit without intervention, it is that simple. Never will I feel the need to ridicule another's belief for the fun of it, or I feel the need to attack, as people's beliefs are their own to have. I may question in order to seek an answer for my own understanding, but out right ridicule, no, that is not me. It does bother me though, those without belief, why is it they seek to destroy what others believe in.

If it is a change of belief that is desired, ridiculing what a person believes is not the way to go about it. But of those that call for a draw Mohammed day, that stinks of ridicule despite any other reason, for it will bring out those that have an axe to grind and as a result expose that country as an offensive country, of which people who are not connected may feel a person's wrath.

The ridicule of religious beliefs should be outlawed, as it is not conducive to living with any modicum of tolerance to the combined divisions in society.

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 5:21:31 PM

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No. the Christians are a cowardly and wiley bunch. They don't announce to the abortion Dr that he is marked for death. they just sneak up at night and shoot him.

I believe this thread is about the disrespect of religious icons, not about other things that various religions decide to kill over.

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How many muslims have actually killed someone that has drawn a picture of mohammed?

None that I'm aware of, though I might be wrong.

However their lack of success doesn't mean they don't want to kill over it:

On 15 September, it was reported that the group Islamic State of Iraq had placed a bounty of at least $100,000 on the head of Lars Vilks and 50,000 dollars on Ulf Johansson, editor-in-chief of Nerikes Allehanda. The statement was found in an audio file on an Islamist website and was read by a person who identified himself as Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, the purported head of the Islamic State of Iraq. "We announce a reward of $100,000 to anyone who kills this infidel criminal. This reward will be raised to $150,000 if he is slaughtered like a lamb," the statement said. The statement also threatened attacks on Swedish companies unless unspecified "crusaders" issued an apology. Vilks responded to the statement by saying: "I suppose this makes my art project a bit more serious. It's also good to know how much one is worth"

On 9 March 2010, seven people were arrested in the Republic of Ireland over an alleged plot to assassinate Vilks. The arrested were originally from Morroco and Yemen and had refugee status.[32][33][34] Of the seven, three men and two women were arrested in Waterford and Tramore and another man and woman at Ballincollig, near Cork.[33] Garda Síochána (the Irish police force), which conducted the arrests with support from the National Support Services and the Special Detective Unit, said the suspects range in age from mid 20's to late 40's.[35] They (Garda Síochána) also added that throughout the investigation they had been "working closely with law enforcement agencies in the United States and in a number of European countries".[35] Two police officers close to the investigation said those arrested were foreign-born Irish residents, mostly from Yemen and Morocco.[32]
The same day, Colleen R. LaRose from the Philadelphia, Pennsylvania suburbs, had her federal indictment unsealed charging her with trying to recruit Islamic terrorists to murder Vilks.[36]

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 5:51:16 PM

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Here in the U.S. The number of muslims that are going to get their turbans in a twist over a cartoon of Mohammed are about the same as Christians that kill abortion Dr's and queers.

And who speaks for those who do not enjoy Western Freedoms?

btw domi... in Islam, your current Avatar is also a graven Image and your promotion of it a capital crime, that fact it uses a sub-Saharan African as the Islamic Prophet Jesus, means likely means it will be a very painful death at that.

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 5:55:02 PM

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btw domi... in Islam, your current Avatar is also a graven Image and your promotion of it a capital crime, that fact it uses a sub-Saharan African as the Islamic Prophet Jesus, means likely means it will be a very painful death at that.

Teehee

I would call the Islam police on him but they might notice I haven't covered my hair and face and kill me too. I mean don't get me wrong I have nothing against getting stoned, but I think they do it differently over there.

Also they might cut off my fingertips because I'm wearing nail polish and I can't even watch that sort of shit in movies.

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 6:23:32 PM

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Will you be celebrating Draw Mohammed day?

In spirit, yes, but my sketching skills are limited to maps. Funny thing though, and I'm not done looking yet, is that I can't seem to get a search to work for this on Facebook.

If they have caved on this, I'm done with them.

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/19/2010 7:27:55 PM

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One doesn't generally stand up and speak out for tolerance by hiding silently.

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Will you be celebrating Draw Mohammed day?

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/20/2010 12:32:18 AM

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The ridicule of religious beliefs should be outlawed, as it is not conducive to living with any modicum of tolerance to the combined divisions in society.

So intolerant of those who find religion ridiculous. Especially because just about every religion I've ever heard of has had something ridiculous about it.

Give God what's God's, sure, but government is Caesar's world, and besides, all those Abrahamic gods have the smiting thing down pat, it's actually pretty insulting to assume God needs some President or PM to stand up for him.

Oh and just to prove my point - in the US, Scientology is recognized as a religion. Check and mate.

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/20/2010 4:45:27 AM

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Will you be celebrating Draw Mohammed day?

No, but but I once defiled an Islamic artefact with the Mo ;-) What a superbly kinky night!

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/20/2010 12:49:10 PM

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The deadline for submitting work to Reason's Everybody Draw Mohammed contest has passed; winners will be shown on Thursday, May 20.

All that remains is anticipation, both of the artwork that will be displayed and the possible threats of violence that will likely follow. Or should that be "the likely threats of possible violence"?

Before the calendar page turns to Thursday, it's worth meditating on the whys and wherefores of the contest, which was inspired by a jihadist death threat against the creators of South Park and was originally suggested by Seattle artist Molly Norris. Soon after asking everyone to draw the Prophet in solidarity with the arguably millions of people repressed by threats of theologically justified violence, Norris herself went into ideological hiding, suggesting instead that everyone draw another target of South Park satire: former Vice President Al Gore.

http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/18/get-ready-for-everyone-draw-mo

Will you be celebrating Draw Mohammed day?

Embarrassing really. Yeah you're free to draw pictures. But what's the objective? Piss people off so you can say: "told you so....look at 'em"....or is the objective just to act like a total nob under the cloak of freedom of expression.

You have freedom of expression of course.......doesn't place you in a good light though.

And people complain when politicians aren't straight up......you get the politicians you deserve etc.

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RE: Draw Mohammed Day is near - 5/21/2010 6:34:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Maybe we have too much liberty for lessons should have been learned by now, go around insulting others for fun or whatever excuse often results on limitation of the freedoms that we have. We could be in effect imprisoning ourselves with our liberty, for those that lord over us will provide protection of our liberties, by enhancing surveillance and travel security, an event which hinders us all and puts us all under suspicion of being a terrorist.

You hit the nail ... right on the head.

The word liberty, implies freedom. But also requires RESPONSIBILITY.

Meaning, that when one does not agree ... they dignify the other ... with respect for THIER BELIEFS.

The word liberty is not a right ... it is something that is earned. And careless statements ... do hurt others and imflame passions. When there is no reason too.

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