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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 1:25:05 AM   
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Of the lot of us, one person does abuse it.  So they should take it up with her, not treat the group of us as though we're in grade school.




Your boss doesn't have the guts to take it up with the culprit and thats why your all getting told. Sounds like your boss wants to get the message over to this one person but is having to use all of you to do it.

We are having problems with a guy spreading confidential information around at the moment. Everyone knows who it is but at a meeting last week we were all got our knuckles rapped. The boss is too much of a coward to confront the guilty party and so did it in a roundabout way that released him of a face to face confrontation.
People were very upset afterwards but I shrugged it off because it wasn't actually us he was addressing, even though he made it look like it was.


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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 2:26:50 AM   
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This sounds like a Dilbert cartoon waiting to happen. Your boss needs their head examined for f'ed up priorities.



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So I came in.  Two weeks before Christmas.  Worked on my deathbed practically, hacking up quite the storm and very feverish.  Everyone around me got sick, as I knew they would.  I told them I'm sorry, but take it up with the boss, who said I had to come in.  By the end of the 2nd day everyone complained and the boss sent me home to get better.  I was out longer than I would have been, had I gotten proper rest to begin with.  The week before Christmas, 3 other employees were out sick too, after catching it from me.

So yeah, I guess THAT was effective. 



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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 2:49:06 AM   
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Born to be slaves, people it seems are not allowed to be human, it is not good business practice.

In an ideal world the fact that employees are actually human beings is taken into account and working conditions allow for the human condition as everyone has off days, ill days and such where productivity may suffer.

I always went to work even if I was ill, and being ill was kind of a common occurrence in my workshop due to the equipment we came into contact with, the worst being uncleaned sewerage pumps ( the things we used to find inside those things ) and industrial vacuums, but all manner of industrial plant machinery. We all had a bug or something one day or the other, but we were dedicated because we got left alone  to get on with it in our own way and we used to erect signs on the door to the workshop to advise other staff of the situation. When any of us were particularly bad, or a few of us had a bug, we used to erect a sign on the workshop door ; Beware ill and grumpy scorpios at work, for all five of us were the same star sign, and were very good at our individual job, but although we were all moody, we understood each other and knew when to keep clear, but signs ranged from the ill and grumpy scorpios to biological hazard area , please do not annoy and If you don't like the smell of garlic, keep away. I used to hear the footsteps of the boss approaching the workshop door, stop, shuffle a bit then turn and walk away, obviously the sign doing it's job, for we worked well unhassled, in our own way and with our own brand of humour.

That was a good working enviroment, as though we were employees, we all worked to promote the business, because we wanted to and felt adult enough to get on with it. The adult feeling came from the managers staying away, and we kept them away by ensuring the projected productivity was met or exceeded. We exceeded the projected productivity because we enjoyed the job and the enviroment, though it got a bit hazardous in there from time to time, tempers flying and such. Oh, and in five years there, I only took three days off sick, one was due to a crippling hang over and the other two due to a back injury gained at work.

As a result of my work experience in that place, five years of being left alone to be an adult and enjoy the work, I find I cannot work in any other enviroment now, any job I take where I perceive being treated as a child does not last long, and the management get to experience me before I go.

( Edited due to second cup of morning coffee not yet consumed)


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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 3:05:16 AM   
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I heard another thing, just as nice: my friend and her collegues are not supposed to have a good time at work. So: no more laughing or smiling, no more lunch-walks with 2 or more people - and this with work that asks a lot of them and is very stressing, so they need to talk to each other and laugh about it to prevent getting totally mad!

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 3:42:57 AM   
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Sounds like y'alls boss needs a good slappin'!

Sick time isn't an issue where I work, but there are other stupidities. The current boss (as was the previous one) is one of those folks that change policy at the drop of a hat, and act like it has always been like that. Irks the shit out of me.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 3:57:06 AM   
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Another good one: I was chewed out for being incapacitated in the hospital. Seriously, I had a hospital form and everything. I was told that it was irresponsible of me to get too sick to make it in to work, since obviously lounging about in hospitals is my sneaky way of taking time off.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 4:59:35 AM   
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OP, I don't get it, if you have a problem with what she said, why not ask her about it?  I mean isn't it being a little childish to "rebel."  I mean from one of your posts you aren't worried about your job so why not be an adult and go speak with her instead of to me acting like a kid whose parent laid down the law and is now rebelling?

You commented on her treating you all like yu are in grade school, and you are saying your behavior in response to what she said isn't acting like a grade schooler who is sulking? Saying well i'm gonna do this or that.

And IF you aren't the one abusing it and are following what the company wants, why are you feeling her talk was against you.  And yeah, maybe it is inconvenient to get a days notice of you are leaving early.  Does your company REQUIRE you to work 50 hours a week or do you choose to because there is work to do thereby justifying your thinking you can randomly take time off when its in your scheduled work time.  I mean is it really that hard to go in her office and say hey, can i speak with you about your response to my request off.  I found out i needed the time off when i emailed you and i didn't think it would be an issue since i have already put in 48 hours this week.  Did you have something you needed me to do or find someone to cover for me for the hours i am leaving early?  Can't you do the same thing with the sick timeby saying, you know, i am not sure we should have people coming in when they are sick because as the past has shown, we all then get sick.  Have her maybe explain that people need to be really sick to call in instead of mental health days etc.  Maybe she doesn't realize how what she said sounded.

I work 60-70 hours a week.  However, my hours my boss pretty much knows i will actually be in the office are 830/9-5-530.  However, our company has a policy as long as you do 7.5 hours they don't care what your work day is.  My boss and i fell into the pattern of the times stated above.  So i do feel i need to make sure she is okay with me taking time off during those hours so i don't inconvenience her or what she needs at a bad time no matter how many i work during the week.

I don't get the drama of it, i guess.  Do you people seriously go into your bosses offices when you are sick and touch everything trying to get them sick?  wow.


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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 5:21:22 AM   
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The stepdaughter works at Panera's. She called in sick and the one manager told her she had to come in anyway. So she dragged herself in, the other manager was on duty and she told him what the first one had said. This one gave her a cup of soup and told her to go home.

Obviously no corporate policy in place. But the Health Department will fine restaurants if they come in and find infectious people working there. If it continues, they'll shut them down. Next time she gets dragged in sick, I'll suggest she call the Health Dep't first.


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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 5:30:37 AM   
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When I was teaching pre-k we were encouraged to stay home if we were sick. Although I admit I always felt guilty for it because that meant that they were understaffed and left over ratio.

My kids father works at a distribution center, his job gives him an alloted number of sick days. He can use them anytime however, if he is sick and does not have sick days he will be given "points" and once you accumulate so many points you risk your job.

I have a friend who works in DC and his job not only gives him alloted sick days but gives him an alloted number of "family sick days" so those who have children ect aren't punished when they have to stay home and care for a sick child or loved one.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 5:39:25 AM   
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You need a new Boss. But not as badly as the firm needs to replace this imbecile.
How anyone got anywhere with a lack of training in employment law like that gives me the shudders.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 6:36:06 AM   
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Don't you know, if you wouldn't drag a bloody stump to work you just aren't working hard enough

I once worked a full day (on my feet all day, no wussy crutches or anything) when I had torn all the ligaments in my left ankle loose in a dislocation/relocation accident the night before.
Does that count?
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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 6:44:21 AM   
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OP, I don't get it, if you have a problem with what she said, why not ask her about it?  I mean isn't it being a little childish to "rebel."


There was an entire study done called "weapons of the weak" that examined what people do when unhappy with those who have power. It is not like a teenager rebelling against their parents, it is the way human beings react when they are being treated unfairly, yet have no real power to do anything about it. Your suggestion might work in some instances, but for the most part it would just get a target on the average person's back... you have worked in the real world with bosses with power trips, haven't you? I have had good bosses and nightmare bosses... it depends on the situation.


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don't get the drama of it, i guess. Do you people seriously go into your bosses offices when you are sick and touch everything trying to get them sick? wow.


It is called having a sense of humor.... you could try having one yourself

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 6:51:02 AM   
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I've been pretty lucky with my employers & with my current job my time off is pretty flexible. I just don't take time off during our training month unless I'm too sick to get out of bed.
I've come into work w/pneumonia (not knowing it was pneumonia) & they knew I didn't feel well & sent me home. I was hospitalized that night, let out the next day & the office manager told me to just take the rest of the week off & get better.
They've sent me home when I had a personal meltdown one day (long story) for some time off. They're very understanding when time off is needed.

I did have one employer who was ex-military & she demanded that if we call in sick we do NOT leave a voicemail but speak w/a live person, preferrably her. She wanted to hear if we actually "sounded" sick

Once when I was in the restaurant business I had the flu w/a high fever & called in sick one morning & the manager said I was needed for the prep work & I could leave afterward. Too bad, so sad. I told him I was too sick to come in & that he would have to find someone else.

I've been to work with sun poisoning on my legs (they were the size of tree trunks) in another restaurant I worked in & could barely stand, I've been to work when I had to use Vick's vapor in a cup of hot water to open my sinuses & stunk up the whole office.

I will go to work if I'm sick, it takes alot for me to call in..

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 7:24:03 AM   
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I was sick in bed with a horrible flu thst lasted a week. I was running over 101 temperature most of that time. My supervisor was demanding I find my own replacement. she was angry when I blew off finding my replacement. I was like, "Im sick. Im not allowed to be sick. Im in bed"

It was not company policy.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 7:39:49 AM   
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This sounds like a Dilbert cartoon waiting to happen. Your boss needs their head examined for f'ed up priorities.




LOL I was saying yesterday I feel like I'm in a Dilbert cartoon.  One of my co-workers quoted "Office Space" and asked me for the TPS report. 


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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 7:41:17 AM   
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I heard another thing, just as nice: my friend and her collegues are not supposed to have a good time at work. So: no more laughing or smiling, no more lunch-walks with 2 or more people - and this with work that asks a lot of them and is very stressing, so they need to talk to each other and laugh about it to prevent getting totally mad!


I worked for someone like this once - so paranoid everyone was talking about her that her staff wasn't allowed to go to lunch in groups of more than 2.  If they weren't talking about her before....LOL


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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 7:48:42 AM   
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OP, I don't get it, if you have a problem with what she said, why not ask her about it?


I do ask her about the policies she puts into place and about her need to run around like the tasmanian devil half the time, and about almost everything else that doesn't make sense since she came to our group.  Those talks don't usually get very far.

I replied to her email about the 48 hours, saying pretty much exactly what you suggested in your post.  She did not reply.

As for sick vs mental health days - we get PTO at our job (Paid Time Off).  It's not broken down into vacation vs. sick time.  They are ours to use when we need them.  When I have brought up always being denied my request to take PTO, I was told "Well the timing was bad."  I am now nearing the point where I reach my maximum accrued PTO days so if I don't use them I'll lose them. 

As for the rest of your post, good god woman, lighten up a bit.  I work my ass off and the work is unbalanced.  And I work in a place that touts "work/life balance for all."   So instead of being truly disgruntled, I'm having a sense of humor about it.  Life is much happier when you can laugh more. 

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 8:49:23 AM   
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Office Space is a classic.

Which reminds me of a former ditzy pseudo superviser who would rearrange your desk and remove items back to the supply cabinet if you were out on vacation, training or called in sick. Annoying, ass-kissing, micro-managing ninny. And to add insult to injury, she flaked on ordering office supplies and the forms we used constantly and refused to provide a cell phone number or any way of contacting her during her many days off to deal with child custody issues. The patient referrals were back logged by months because she would not get around to processing them but she could interfere in whatever we were working on and re-arrange the office on a whim. Productive? Responsible? Reliable? Not at all.


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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 1:31:05 PM   
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I had bronchitis and was having a miscarriage at the same time and my supervisor bitched at me for calling out for multiple days.



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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 1:36:13 PM   
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As much as it sucks that alot of companies and supervisers are unempathetic our personal ills the reality is they have to deal with the reporcutions of employees NOT being at work. They still have the same work load that needs to be completed, they still have the same deadlines ect but now they are down an employee. In some fields this is a BIG deal. Plus lets be real far to many people use the sick card simply because they want a day off or a 3 day weekend.

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