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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 2:04:09 PM   
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Then you find out, since a bitch like Susie is one of the types looking for something for nothing, you gotta cover yer ass.  If you are going to require Susie bring a note, you have to require it of your 9 great employees, who you know would never ever lie about being sick. And, you know, most folks do not go to the dr if they have a fever and such for a day or 2.  So, you gotta decide what to do......ahhhhhh the joys of gettin paid tha big bucks!


The last place I worked they stated it was within their purview to demand a dr's note. They used this ingenious system to get around demanding it from everyone all of the time. Miss very little time off work? Well, their policy was that if you missed less than a certain amount per quarter you needed no note. Miss work chronically? They could ask for a note. If you missed and had a dr's note even though you had not missed much work, that day did not count toward the quarterly number of days you could miss.

I had chronic allergy problems for several months to the point of losing my hearing and my voice (my job required I speak to customers), they never asked me for a doctor's note even though I missed A LOT OF WORK. There are ways of handling this problem without penalizing good employees

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 5:51:51 PM   
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It is a foolish approach to not pencil in the human element of getting work accomplished. We are not machines, we are human beings, and even machines break down


I've been through an extensive IT Project Management class, and have worked on multi-million dollar projects.  Any project manager who does not factor in "down time" into the project down time will not be a PM for long.  It is simply very poor planning and they will never, ever meet deadline.    It is commonplace to do this, and written into the project budget.


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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 6:00:00 PM   
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Then you find out, since a bitch like Susie is one of the types looking for something for nothing, you gotta cover yer ass.  If you are going to require Susie bring a note, you have to require it of your 9 great employees, who you know would never ever lie about being sick. And, you know, most folks do not go to the dr if they have a fever and such for a day or 2.  So, you gotta decide what to do......ahhhhhh the joys of gettin paid tha big bucks!



I fully understand a lot of managers think they need to do this.  I've worked in places that decided if you miss X number of days within X amount of time you would need a note.  This makes more sense to me, and most employees (other than the Miss Susies) won't have an issue with this at all. 

As for me, I have been extremely fortunate over the years to work for people who reward their employees for doing good work, and who treat those hard workers with respect and dignity. I have had great examples of bosses who really champion for their good employees, which makes it frustrating when working for someone who doesn't have the skills or know-how to do this.  Patience (and laughter) is a virtue in such cases.

For the record, "Don't be sick" is not an actual work policy; it was just something stupid that my boss said in a staff meeting.  Those of us who work hard will still call in sick when we're sick, and there will be no repercussions for it.  But it was baffling to hear, given where I've come from in my career.  And it came on the heels of a few weeks where everything was a "crisis"  and totally micro-managed.  So those of us who do perform well just felt at our wits end by then.

But hey - ya gotta laugh. 


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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 6:03:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am sure some companies do not worry about the lawsuits and do not have the practices in place that make sure you are consistent.

I work for a government agency, so, I do it the way they demand.  I can assure you, one great lawsuit, or even one sorry ass lawsuit that brought much bad publicity, most large companies would do the same.

I am lucky that I have never had a Susie work for me.  I like to think I can be a big enough bitch, within the confines of the law, to run such folks off quickly.  The one year I was a floating manager, they sent me to several places to do just that, and my batting average was 1000.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 6:06:16 PM   
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But hey - ya gotta laugh. 

amen!  The more I learn about people, the more I laugh.  Hell, the more I learn about me, the more I laugh.

Laughter is the best medicine, physically and mentally I think!

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 6:18:19 PM   
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Hell, the more I learn about me, the more I laugh.



Hahahaha, now this is something I can really relate to!!

And I agree - laughter is GREAT medicine.  That, and music.


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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 6:27:15 PM   
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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 6:36:42 PM   
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Accumulating vacation time all year; yet not being allowed to take more than 2 consecutive days off during 6 months of the year.  In other words, accumulating vacation time that you can't really take.


That is exactly what I'm going through now.


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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 6:45:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, but honestly, there is so much good about my job that it is not a big deal.  I usually take long weekends.  If I didn't work a second job it would probably annoy me more.  Second job does not have much vacay time.  So it all works out.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 7:19:24 PM   
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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 8:55:22 PM   
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Yeah, but honestly, there is so much good about my job that it is not a big deal.


That's awesome.  I felt that way about my own job until the new boss came in and started micromanaging us to death.  I'd take work home with me nights and weekends because I enjoyed doing it and it was rewarding.  Now I'm finding myself needing to define clear boundaries between work and home.  What the new management style has done is made me less productive, overall.  A shame, but true.


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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/11/2010 4:47:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just phone in and say you are sick, when they ask what of, just tell them sick of work.

Or if it is a common problem that people are going off sick, consider the palace you work in, for there is sick building syndrome, some buildings just are not good for people to work in.


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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/11/2010 5:02:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are many company's who have gotten rid of the sick days and instead made them all personal type days because they hope this will encourage employees to give decent notice of needing to be off instead of people calling in sick simply because they don't want to come in.

Our company did that a year or so ago and have stated they have found it works better because people are more apt to take their personal time with notice than just calling in.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/11/2010 8:18:02 AM   
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There are many company's who have gotten rid of the sick days and instead made them all personal type days because they hope this will encourage employees to give decent notice of needing to be off instead of people calling in sick simply because they don't want to come in.

Our company did that a year or so ago and have stated they have found it works better because people are more apt to take their personal time with notice than just calling in.

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I've always been a fan of PTO - first job I had which used this was in the 90's.  I prefer it, because I actually almost never call in sick, and sick days don't roll-over at the end of the year.  PTO was an opportunity to give employees the option of how to take their accrued time off, without losing it.  In my opinion, it was a way of not penalizing those folks who do not call in sick.

Plus, from an HR perspective, it was much easier to track time off this way - only one report and one set of accruals, instead of two.  From a management perspective, you don't have people calling in sick toward the end of the year, before they lose their accrued time.  It just makes more sense to have a PTO program, instead of a vacation/sick program. 


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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/11/2010 9:47:44 AM   
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Just phone in and say you are sick, when they ask what of, just tell them sick of work.



Yeah, tell 'em you have "anal glaucoma" - you can't see your ass coming to work. Seriously, the organization I work for now (nearly 3 years) uses PTO and, as an employee who is also a manager, I love it all the way 'round. No need to fake sick when some time off is needed...........luci

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/11/2010 10:13:07 AM   
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Just phone in and say you are sick, when they ask what of, just tell them sick of work.



Yeah, tell 'em you have "anal glaucoma" - you can't see your ass coming to work. Seriously, the organization I work for now (nearly 3 years) uses PTO and, as an employee who is also a manager, I love it all the way 'round. No need to fake sick when some time off is needed...........luci


LOL not sure how I missed Anerin's "sick of work" comment.  For me, it's more like "Sick of YOU" (to the boss).

Like you, luci, I'm a fan of PTO.  But our problem is even requests for PTO are denied.  So you still have people calling in, when they need a mental health day.


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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/11/2010 11:08:40 AM   
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Sorry, but i work in the restaurant business, and we're not supposed to call in sick unless we're actually dying. During service one night, i spilled 500 degree oil down all along my left hand and arm. It left a blister that was the size of my palm and 1 inch high, and i still couldn't leave until service was over. i've seen people sprain their ankle or cut themselves badly, and still have to finish service. i've seen people throw up, and go right back to work. i don't mean to gross you out. Those are extreme cases, and the people working in restaurants are healthy most of the time. However, it's an extreme profession that requires extreme measures.

Sorry if i sound smug. i'm pretty sure your boss will let you take the day off if you're really sick. But, i can understand her frustration if people are calling in sick all the time. It can be annoying.

pam


Sorry, but you are an idiot for not demanding to have such things taken care of immediately.  They pay workman's comp for a reason.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/11/2010 2:43:20 PM   
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Today I heard it all.  In my twenty-something-something years in the work force, I thought I had experienced any kind of corporate/management stupidity imaginable...until today.

Today our new boss (of about six months) told us, in all seriousness, she doesn't want us calling in sick anymore.  "I realize people get sick, but it's really inconvenient when you do, so try to do what you can to not call in sick."

Um, what?

Feel free to share any ridiculous work rules you've experienced.  Of course, I'm gonna have to play the rebel and call in sick this week...just because.



Talk about going about it the wrong way....

A managing director...a man....and the financial director....a woman...basically they ran the organisation....

So they lined us up and said.....

"Right....I want all the men to dress like me (MD) and all the women to dress like her (FD)....

Three weeks later we were still laughing our cocks off....

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/11/2010 2:46:22 PM   
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If people are abusing sick time as "sick of working" time, I can understand why they would need to crack down.

On my last job, you were expected to either call it in to the answering service the night before, or if you woke up sick, to report in long enough that a relief operator could be dispatched. Where I am now, if you are sick, you are sick, but mental health days and early afternoon plans need to be pre-arranged. It's a simple courtesy to the people we work with.

There has to be a balance. As I'm seeing the situation presented here, Vida, my impression is that your employer may have a point. Go ahead and rebel, though. It's not like there would be 400 applicants at the door if they decide you're the one to make an example of.



Rich...if people are abusing sickness....you don't fuck around with half-arsed statements guaranteed to piss off everyone....you just manage the bad apples out of the organisation.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/12/2010 5:35:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh one other thing, if you plan to be ill, try not to do it on a friday or monday, for they are seen by mangement as simply an extension of the weekend, despite any genuine reason and documentation to back up the event.

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