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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 2:55:29 PM

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Geez, I must be a wimp of a boss. If one of my staff comes in sick, I send them home. I would rather them be out and not infect the whole office. However, I do have one that has abused her sick time .. she has none. I "counseled" her today on that among other things. I see no benefit in treating adults as if they have no sense.

I had a friend that had gotten an "email" messge from her boss stating not to call in sick anymore. So she emailed her one morning ... "per your email from the other day of us not being allowed to call in sick, consider this I'm sick email as notice that I'm not coming in". Her boss changed the rules the next day and requested a call. Talk about the boss showing who had no sense

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 3:04:37 PM

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Hmmmm I am a different kind of boss myself.

Although I am not working anymore due to layoffs when I was in charge of the service department we had the swine flu hit very heavy in our area so much so that the Hospital issued a statement that if you came in with signs of the flu you would be treated as if you had it and no tests would be made to determin it, you would simply be assumed that you had it.

I had 6 Techs and 5 called in on Monday all saying that they would come in but that they were feeling poorly. I told them all to stay home. I then called every service and informed them that we would have to reschedule, about at first most were upset then I explained that 5 of the 6 techs had Swine Flue but if they insisted on getting serviced Today they would be welcome to come over. Maybe 8 calls said they did not care and wanted service. So I split them in half and walked into the owners office and handed him the 4 service calls and handed the keys to the emergency truck, he asked why and I explained what happened and then he asked why I came to him, my answer and one that made him give me a raise shortly there after was.

"Your Company, I figured you would want to make sure it was still running"

We both worked a 16 hour day that day, I had to help him with the last job, he asked if all the guys worked that hard every day, I said the did or I would have to let them go, we did 2 more jobs than I would have scheduled for a service tech but all in all nothing we did today would be considered extream for the guys he bought them lunch for a week and never questioned my department on overtime or Mileage again.

It was sad that he had to downsize so much, it was a great job.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 3:53:51 PM

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Sounds like y'alls boss needs a good slappin'!

Sick time isn't an issue where I work, but there are other stupidities. The current boss (as was the previous one) is one of those folks that change policy at the drop of a hat, and act like it has always been like that. Irks the shit out of me.

yours too?? Mine does this on a daily basis and I want to slap the shit out of her. It's taking everything I have these days to hold back!

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 4:22:50 PM

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Where I work they expect you to play through the pain. We don't have sick time, per sé. If you have to be out you have to use what paid personal time you have (paid days, optional holidays or vacation). I'm told that after you are with the company a period of years a supervisor can excuse you with pay but I've never seen that written down anywhere - and that was before we were bought out do it probably does not apply anymore. I am rarely ill enough to not be able to go to work but I've shown up plenty of times when I'm sure my co-workers would rather I had stayed home. I hate it for them but like you say - it's management's fault as is the case with 90% of the problems where I work.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 4:25:44 PM

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I was never sick much from work but mostly I took sick days when I knew it was going to be a really slow day the next day and I hate to be bored at work but don't mind being bored at home! ha ha

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 6:03:19 PM

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As much as it sucks that alot of companies and supervisers are unempathetic our personal ills the reality is they have to deal with the reporcutions of employees NOT being at work. They still have the same work load that needs to be completed, they still have the same deadlines ect but now they are down an employee. In some fields this is a BIG deal. Plus lets be real far to many people use the sick card simply because they want a day off or a 3 day weekend.

Many employees do that, yet many do not. In project planning and project management, when determining the time it will take to complete a project, you determine "administrative time" (checking email, taking phone calls, interruptions at your desk, etc.) and possible days out sick. If you think a project should take 30 days, add 30% more time to the timeline and you'll be more accurate.

I've spent most of my career working directly for senior executives. I'm used to being trusted to do my job and to know when I'm not feeling well. I'm usually someone who comes to work sick (or works from home while sick) because I want to get the job done. This is the first time I'm working in a group that is treated "less than" that. It's just strange to me. If you have a problem employee, deal with the employee. To treat the entire group according to the lowest common denominator is...well...insulting.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 6:06:12 PM

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Geez, I must be a wimp of a boss. If one of my staff comes in sick, I send them home. I would rather them be out and not infect the whole office.

My boss where I last worked was like this. She sent people home when sick so they wouldn't infect everyone else, and she insisted we accrued sick time for a reason - so use it if we're sick.

She got a lot of loyalty from her staff - - go figure. When crunch time came, we'd work round the clock for that woman. Treat your staff well and they'll bend over backwards for you. Treat them like crap and they'll turn on a time. It's weird that more bosses don't know this.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 6:06:35 PM

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NuevaVida MOST employeers make across the board rules regarding sick days ect for legal purposes and to cover their asses. Which I can totally understand.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 6:11:42 PM

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I graduated from engineering school in '93, right into the depths of the SoCal recession. Let's say I was eager to find a job.

I worked a quarter for a Dilbertian hellhole for about 16-20 hours a week as a technician, then switched to engineer after graduating.

One week I racked up 70 hours M-Th. Friday I got one of my worst migraines ever and took the day off. When I left the company a year later, they tried to charge me for that time. I essentially told them to sod off, mention in the 70 hours I'd worked that week. They tried the same stunt on another week where I worked 74 hours Sun-Thurs, and got hit with the migraine stick. A real festival of fools.

ps The migraines were due to the lack of prophylactic meds and a screwed up sleep schedule.

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Today I heard it all. In my twenty-something-something years in the work force, I thought I had experienced any kind of corporate/management stupidity imaginable...until today.

Today our new boss (of about six months) told us, in all seriousness, she doesn't want us calling in sick anymore. "I realize people get sick, but it's really inconvenient when you do, so try to do what you can to not call in sick."

Um, what?

Feel free to share any ridiculous work rules you've experienced. Of course, I'm gonna have to play the rebel and call in sick this week...just because.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 6:20:58 PM

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NuevaVida MOST employeers make across the board rules regarding sick days ect for legal purposes and to cover their asses. Which I can totally understand.

Of course they do. And where I work there is also a written policy regarding our PTO time. Nowhere in the policy does it say "you're not allowed to be sick" lol. This was simply one frustrated manager's knee jerk reaction to an issue she is having with one employee. It is silly. So I started this thread to give myself a place to laugh about it.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 6:29:55 PM

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Wow, reading through this thread has made me very grateful for the employers I have and their understanding when it comes to time off and sick days.

I had to call my boss at 10am this morning to say I wouldn't be in...doctor's orders. He asked me if I needed anything and to let him know if I'll need tomorrow off as well.

Yet another reason why I am where I am....the perks

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 6:38:29 PM

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I worked in a hospital - the admissions office. We weren't permitted to have tissues. It cost too much. Then someone called risk management / infection control and asked why the hospital wouldn't provide tissues when we were admitting people with hepatitis.

It was not pretty. I gotta say, the Infection Control lady became our hero!

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 6:48:05 PM

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Sounds like y'alls boss needs a good slappin'!

Sick time isn't an issue where I work, but there are other stupidities. The current boss (as was the previous one) is one of those folks that change policy at the drop of a hat, and act like it has always been like that. Irks the shit out of me.

yours too?? Mine does this on a daily basis and I want to slap the shit out of her. It's taking everything I have these days to hold back!

Yep, and it's highly irritating! And she's very thin-skinned; makes for some tense times, but in all fairness, she has a number of good qualities, too.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 7:15:34 PM

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yours too?? Mine does this on a daily basis and I want to slap the shit out of her. It's taking everything I have these days to hold back!

Me three. Makes me nuts when he goes off about ABC being top priority, so I spend the day doing ABC..... only to be told that I should have been doing DEF because it's, you know, the top priority!

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/9/2010 9:28:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Today I heard it all. In my twenty-something-something years in the work force, I thought I had experienced any kind of corporate/management stupidity imaginable...until today.

Today our new boss (of about six months) told us, in all seriousness, she doesn't want us calling in sick anymore. "I realize people get sick, but it's really inconvenient when you do, so try to do what you can to not call in sick."

Um, what?

Feel free to share any ridiculous work rules you've experienced. Of course, I'm gonna have to play the rebel and call in sick this week...just because.

not trying to sound like an asshole or anything, but telling people to try not calling in sick generally is focused at those with lame-ass excuses for calling in sick, i.e., i'm still drunk so can't make it in i'm cramping from my period and need complete bed-rest, etc.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 4:02:05 AM

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But of bosses, those that are by virtue of their employment status and there in a position of authority over others, perhaps it can draw a parallel with kink, there are doms and subs and with that good doms and bad doms, people who desire power for their own reasons and those that automaticaly get it. I have always been very suspicious of people who actively set out to be in a position of authority through a work related title, the people that seek managerial positions above anything else for my belief is leaders are born, not made and people seeking a qualification to be over other people is a way for the weak to feel better about themselves, perhaps hiding themselves behind a job.

In my experience bosses can be sorted out, if they are a natural leader and they accomplish their aim with grace and courtesy, they have my respect and compliance, but I do test them, but of others, it has been said I eat them alive to the point the boss just does not want to deal with me, and adopts a sort of uneasy stand off.

I have been a manager once and that only because of my abilities, I could do everyone elses job as well as my own., I was given the title of workshop manager over five people, I managed, it worked well. On one occaision my boss was a little perturbed because he had noticed my team assing around, laughing and joking and he assumed because of that not working and why in my position I was not doing anything about it. My answer was as long as the work gets done, I don't care what they do, as I do know once the fun is removed from anything the work seldom gets done and when it does it can be of a poor standard. Happiness in the work ensures good work, I want a happy easy going and adaptable workforce, not a bunch of slaves or automatons. My boss was another scorpio, but of a much older generation, he did not argue, he just wandered away muttering.

Bosses and management can be softened with a bit of psychological warfare, know their job and use it against them.

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 7:40:06 AM

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not trying to sound like an asshole or anything, but telling people to try not calling in sick generally is focused at those with lame-ass excuses for calling in sick, i.e., i'm still drunk so can't make it in i'm cramping from my period and need complete bed-rest, etc.

You don't sound like an asshole as this view has been expressed several times in this thread, and I've said I know it applies to the one problem person in our group, but it's insulting to treat all of us like this instead of just addressing the problem person. (Wow that was a really long sentence!)

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 7:52:54 AM

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Many employees do that, yet many do not. In project planning and project management, when determining the time it will take to complete a project, you determine "administrative time" (checking email, taking phone calls, interruptions at your desk, etc.) and possible days out sick. If you think a project should take 30 days, add 30% more time to the timeline and you'll be more accurate.

It is a foolish approach to not pencil in the human element of getting work accomplished. We are not machines, we are human beings, and even machines break down

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 1:35:01 PM

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meh n/m

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RE: Not allowed to be sick? - 6/10/2010 1:53:54 PM

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The one thing I have learned since entering the wonderful world of management is you have to relate to the lowest common denominator. Have a great staff of 10. most of who never call in? Always go that extra mile? If they call and say they are sick, you know they are sick, and you tell them to take care and call you tomorrow and let you nkow how they feel.

Then you have lil Susie. Susie seems to get sick every Monday after payday, you have to ride her ass to get her to do the duties she is assigned. You know Susie is drinking all weekend, so you find out you can, legally, require Susie to bring in a dr. excuse for any day she misses. Hot dayum, and you can even call the dr office and make sure it aint a forgery! Susie is gonna be a goner soon.

Then you find out, since a bitch like Susie is one of the types looking for something for nothing, you gotta cover yer ass. If you are going to require Susie bring a note, you have to require it of your 9 great employees, who you know would never ever lie about being sick. And, you know, most folks do not go to the dr if they have a fever and such for a day or 2. So, you gotta decide what to do......ahhhhhh the joys of gettin paid tha big bucks!

One thing that amazes me is the number on this thread saying they were required to go to work sick, when they work around food. The health dept is so strict about who can and can not work around food, Fever-go home. Got the runs? Go home! Bad cough? You may be able to work the dirty end of the dishwasher or perhaps cashier, but you can not work around the food.

I tell folks that if something your boss is telling you seems to be a crock of bullshit, it probably is. Every one has a boss, check with their boss or HR. Afraid to do that? Call the health dept, or the labor dept of your state.

It sucks that sometimes great employees have to pay cause of asshole employees. It all boils down to fear of lawsuits. If you are sick, stay the hell home.

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