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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

::facepalm:: Wow. So many of you STILL don't get it. Popeye, I'm not saying this in an angry way but I'm convinced that you have given up on reasonable dialog so, Please don't be offended but I've done the mental equivalent of patting you on the top of the head and sending you to play with your crayons.

Don't be offended if I say this has to be one of the most condescending things I have ever read on CM


My original post is about the concept of being wronged, how we deal with it, who we assign blame to and why. About how emotional and traumatic events can affect people, and what they do as a result. In that way at least, it is EXACTLY like what's happening now.

Actually it was comparing two situations that had nothing to do with each other, which several people pointed out.

People keep saying things like, "This is a symbol of their victory!" If so, it's a pretty strange one. I'm not sure if anyone is aware of this, but it's 2 floors out of what, 20? How many monuments to victory have a basketball court and a culinary school? DEATH TO INFIDELS!!!! ALSO, TRY THESE CREPES!!!!!
They keep saying things like that because for whatever reason they believe it. Is it so hard to try and understand  why they may feel that way just because you don't understand it? Is it really that important to the other side that the center be built in that exact spot?

Maybe I'll add more after work.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I like this analogy better:

A group of religious men who hate the US and everything it stands for decided that they could best insult and damage this country by destroying some symbols of things that they hate.  This included the White House, the Pentagon, and the World Trade Center (Political, Military, Cultural and Economic symbols).

They were partial successful and killed thousands in addition to completely destroying the WTC. 

Some members of their religion around the world praised them and their accomplishments.

Years later, on the ashes of the location of the murder of thousands of those Americans, other members of the same religion who destroyed this symbol of American Economic and Cultural power decided to build a structure to commemorate their religion near the site of the first groups "success".

To some members of this particular religious group, this will seen as a confirmation of the success and correctness of the original murder and destruction.  A symbolic "Victory" memorial, so to speak.

To some citizens of the United States, this building will also be seen as a symbolic "Victory" memorial by this religious group, in their attempts to destroy the United States and kill American citizens.

These American citizens, and others who see this building as an "in your face" affront oppose the building of this structure at, or near this location for the symbolism that it inspires.

I think this analogy fits the situation much better.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

Guess the fact that we, as a nation, were threatened with violence if the mosque isnt built or is forced to move doesnt seem to phase anyone?

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

The constitution is not subject to popularity.

Thank God.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
What i am against is being told we better not move it because the backlash in another country should take precedence over the backlash in our own country.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

"My major concern with moving it is that the headline in the Muslim world will be Islam is under attack in America," he said. "This will strengthen the radicals in the Muslim world, help their recruitment."

Did i misread something? Or should we simply give in because of a possibility of what may happen based upon the words of the man speaking with such certainty? Im not against the mosque being built where they want it. What i am against is being told we better not move it because the backlash in another country should take precedence over the backlash in our own country.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

"My major concern with moving it is that the headline in the Muslim world will be Islam is under attack in America," he said. "This will strengthen the radicals in the Muslim world, help their recruitment."

Did i misread something? Or should we simply give in because of a possibility of what may happen based upon the words of the man speaking with such certainty? Im not against the mosque being built where they want it. What i am against is being told we better not move it because the backlash in another country should take precedence over the backlash in our own country.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

First, i never said the man threated us directly. 

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Second, read his statement again. Is he not in a position to declare, with some certainty, what may happen within that movement?

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Third, my righteous indignantion? Umm.. lets see... i have already said i have no problem with where they intend to build the mosgue. I have pointed out before exactly what else is located within the same area. I have not declared myself dead set against the building.

Explain to me what is righteous about my position?

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

::facepalm:: Wow. So many of you STILL don't get it. Popeye, I'm not saying this in an angry way but I'm convinced that you have given up on reasonable dialog so, Please don't be offended but I've done the mental equivalent of patting you on the top of the head and sending you to play with your crayons.


My original post is about the concept of being wronged, how we deal with it, who we assign blame to and why. About how emotional and traumatic events can affect people, and what they do as a result. In that way at least, it is EXACTLY like what's happening now.

People keep saying things like, "This is a symbol of their victory!" If so, it's a pretty strange one. I'm not sure if anyone is aware of this, but it's 2 floors out of what, 20? How many monuments to victory have a basketball court and a culinary school? DEATH TO INFIDELS!!!! ALSO, TRY THESE CREPES!!!!!

Maybe I'll add more after work.