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Moonhead -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/18/2010 3:03:42 PM)

Actually old chap, "foreign aid" mostly involves your government paying yahoos like Blackwater to go around propping up unelected governments who your government feels it should be supporting for some bizarre reason or other. It was a lot cheaper when you used to let the CIA do that, but I suppose the other idiots are more deniable, so long as nobody looks at who's paying them.
(And the twat Obama certainly doesn't seem to be making any effort to be liked in Britain. I'm surprised you haven't noticed this passive/agressive thing he's doing in his dealings with us instead of diplomacy.)
It's pakistan where they're having the floods at the moment, btw, not Bangladesh: the situation there isn't half as bad as yet.



thishereboi -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/18/2010 3:14:29 PM)

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And the twat Obama certainly doesn't seem to be making any effort to be liked in Britain.


Did you just call the POTUS a twat? How fucking rude? I thought it was Bush you guys hated. Have you turned on our dear leader now also?



Moonhead -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/18/2010 3:20:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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And the twat Obama certainly doesn't seem to be making any effort to be liked in Britain.


Did you just call the POTUS a twat? How fucking rude? I thought it was Bush you guys hated. Have you turned on our dear leader now also?


I've called the fuckwit worse than a twat before now, sonny. Ask your mate TheHeretic: he's still sulking about that one.



DCWoody -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/18/2010 3:27:45 PM)

"But Moon, I *agree with you there* old bean but look at all the lefties who *want* us involved in the *problems* of countries like The Sudan, Bangladesh (whenever it floods), Haiti, Cuba, Somalia and a host of other third and fourth world countries."

This is very amusing to me. I'm sure Cuba, Somalia, 'flooded Bangladesh', and 'fourth world countries', are very grateful/desirous of american interference, and I definitely remember people demanding america get stuck in to Sudan. I don't know the link for that flashing sarcasm gif.



Moonhead -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/18/2010 3:31:46 PM)

If there's one country that doesn't want more intervention from the Americans, it's Cuba, true enough. They've spent what, sixty years doing everything they can to wreck the economy there?



Lucylastic -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/18/2010 3:40:11 PM)

Woody??just sent you the link in a pm:)



DomKen -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/18/2010 3:48:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


There is, pure terror. Saddams Sunni regime terrorized the other sects of Iraq, especially the Shia and even more especially the marsh dwellers. And despite your lies and your antisemitic propaganda the number of incidents is right up there as well, he was arguably as bad as anyone ever was. Stalin and Hitler murdered more, but Saddams reign was unique in that his reign was one of pure terror.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
There is no metric where this is true.

Pure body count? The Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide and Stalin's ethnic resettlements all killed more people.
Number of incidents? Not compared to the long running terror campaigns in NI and Israel.


That's the silliest load of crap you've ever posted. There wasn't anything particularly unusual about Saddam's Ba'athist regime. Certainly not the way it treated it's restive ethnic and religious minorities. The Shia actually were treated less badly than Kurds. Draining swamps and imprisoning village leaders doesn't really compare with intentionally gassing entire villages.

Of course trying to imply it was the worst terrorism by a state on its own people means you have to discount crystalnacht and all teh rest of the terror campaign the Nazi undertook against the Jews.

BTW I've never written anything antisemitic. To claim such is truly silly.



Moonhead -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/18/2010 3:55:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen
The Shia actually were treated less badly than Kurds.

I've mentioned that already: I don't think he's even going to try to address that one.



Aneirin -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/18/2010 6:22:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Just thought that I'd add that the press represents this as a religious thing between Catholics and Protestants but it's actually a cultural-economic split, and religion is only one aspect.

Yep. Religion is the main excuse for that though, sadly.
I am quite surprised how little a lot of the Americans on here seem to know about the troubles when it was people in their country who spent thirty odd years bankrolling the Republicans through NORAID...


I believe the US attitude to the Northern Ireland troubles was largely due to misplaced notions of ancestry, as if where their ancestors came from was the promised land that they themselves might like to migrate back to at some point, so they will fight as they believe their ancestors fought to free a land from the perceived tyranny of a foreign power by sending wealth generated in the new lands.

I believe there is some similarity there with the American Jews and the troubles in and around Israel.

So perhaps it has to be asked, what is America, a new land ,made up of those that turned their back on trouble to seek a better future, or is America in reality only a transitory country to be used for the short term until the ideals have been created in the country that is the choice for support.

But whilst foreigners aid fighters in other countries, it is just a pity they did not see the actions of their adopted country, for imperialism is not a totally British thing.


Do you or moony ever make a post without turning it into a stab at the US?



I was wondering when you would pop up and start feeling us Brits are again attacking the holy US, but you must understand whilst there exists this so called special relationship Britain and America have we are drawn into US actions where they continue or erupt. In return for this loyalty our country shows the US you have your citizens conspiring against us in funding terrorist groups to kill unarmed unthreatening British people going about their business trying to live their lives.

Now the time has come where the US feels the threat of the terrorist, tell me, how does it feel, for I grew up with that, the possibility of being killed in a bomb set by terrorists funded by the US via Noraid. I came close once, one city where an IRA bomb was detonated, a Saturday morning I felt the hot wind, for I was far enough away from those shoppers minding their own business that were killed.

At one time with me, the US ranked alongside the IRA, I did not see the US as friends, but smiling knife foes, for in the actions of some who claimed US citizenship, you were funding the killing of your allies.



popeye1250 -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/18/2010 6:38:57 PM)

My father was Irish and where I grew up in the Boston, Mass area was a hotbed of IRA, Noraid and other groups.
One time when I was a kid I asked my father about the "IRA" and he said, "you stay the fuck away from those people they're dangerous!"



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/18/2010 6:41:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
Now the time has come where the US feels the threat of the terrorist, tell me, how does it feel, for I grew up with that, the possibility of being killed in a bomb set by terrorists funded by the US via Noraid. I came close once, one city where an IRA bomb was detonated, a Saturday morning I felt the hot wind, for I was far enough away from those shoppers minding their own business that were killed.


Nobody lives their life in fear of terrorists do they? No point when there is more chance you'll die weeding the garden.

The shower or the toaster is more likely to kill you, statistically. The bread gets stuck you stick the knife in and Bobs your uncle instant death before breakfast. The tea cosy is also quite deadly apparently.





Aneirin -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/18/2010 7:11:16 PM)

I even used to check my car for ied's at one one point when the IRA activity was high, but then I was in the military.



Zevar -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/18/2010 7:27:29 PM)

“Fighting Irish” and Notre Dame i.e.: Catholic is a term that some Irish take to heart in a way that is misunderstood by others. Then there are “Street fighting Irish” i.e. usually Protestants, who are better known to fight in ways unheard among some. Nonetheless will be passed on for an entirety, so it seems, as generation to generation learns of fables, folklore and the perpetual bloody battle between Protestant and Catholic. Religious wars are no strangers to any people including the Irish, aye!

Beagán agus a rá go maith.
Gaelic saying

House of Livingston
A Gaelic Irish gentleman master
Finte na hÉireann



pahunkboy -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/19/2010 6:27:58 AM)

To those in the UK,

When I criticize the UK, understand that I so the same and worse per the USA.  Even recently- a 9-11 thread- on 9-11, my post was pulled when I brought up #7 and the lies.

So while my attitude me seem mean-  to the UK-  I dish it out per the US as well.

I do not fully understand the IE situation.   I do think that all govts are into bad dealings and the man on the street is scammed by the govt.

You know- in police science- a victim is also a perp.   Use this theory to terrorists.  

Empire oppresses people.   UK- has done it, the US does it.

but follow the money.  is it any co-incidence the global 1% get even wealthier?

The war on terror- is FOR YOU.  It is to keep the elite in power.

Be mad- maybe.  or you could try to remedy it.



YSG -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/19/2010 6:39:29 AM)

Being of Irish decent, I do understand and even sympathize with the ideals of the IRA, wich is getting the British out of Ireland. However, I do not support the cause because of the methods used. There has been far too much bloodshed, caused by both sides. Continuing to use violence will not make the British any more inclined to honor their agreements, or see the Irish as being perfectly able to take care of themselves, wich they are.

Steven is actually correct, there are more reasons than just religion, wich is the biggest excuse.



pahunkboy -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/19/2010 6:49:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Just thought that I'd add that the press represents this as a religious thing between Catholics and Protestants but it's actually a cultural-economic split, and religion is only one aspect.

Yep. Religion is the main excuse for that though, sadly.
I am quite surprised how little a lot of the Americans on here seem to know about the troubles when it was people in their country who spent thirty odd years bankrolling the Republicans through NORAID...


I believe the US attitude to the Northern Ireland troubles was largely due to misplaced notions of ancestry, as if where their ancestors came from was the promised land that they themselves might like to migrate back to at some point, so they will fight as they believe their ancestors fought to free a land from the perceived tyranny of a foreign power by sending wealth generated in the new lands.

I believe there is some similarity there with the American Jews and the troubles in and around Israel.

So perhaps it has to be asked, what is America, a new land ,made up of those that turned their back on trouble to seek a better future, or is America in reality only a transitory country to be used for the short term until the ideals have been created in the country that is the choice for support.

But whilst foreigners aid fighters in other countries, it is just a pity they did not see the actions of their adopted country, for imperialism is not a totally British thing.


Do you or moony ever make a post without turning it into a stab at the US?



I was wondering when you would pop up and start feeling us Brits are again attacking the holy US, but you must understand whilst there exists this so called special relationship Britain and America have we are drawn into US actions where they continue or erupt. In return for this loyalty our country shows the US you have your citizens conspiring against us in funding terrorist groups to kill unarmed unthreatening British people going about their business trying to live their lives.

Now the time has come where the US feels the threat of the terrorist, tell me, how does it feel, for I grew up with that, the possibility of being killed in a bomb set by terrorists funded by the US via Noraid. I came close once, one city where an IRA bomb was detonated, a Saturday morning I felt the hot wind, for I was far enough away from those shoppers minding their own business that were killed.

At one time with me, the US ranked alongside the IRA, I did not see the US as friends, but smiling knife foes, for in the actions of some who claimed US citizenship, you were funding the killing of your allies.



It would be helpful to understand the power structure in the world.

The Bank of England,  JPM, Goldman Sachs.   The IMF, the World Bank, the Federal Reserve.

That effects- wars- and where money gets spent.  It is all bought.

I dont know how safe the UK- is - but in the US the chances of terror attacks are very low.   Gang violence in the cities is a threat.

If anyone wants to understand more- study banking history.  Monetary history.
The world revolves around money.   Anything else is window dressing.

The bank forces in the City of London- are tied to Wall Street.   It is those forces that need to be checked.

Isnt it convenient that the more the govt blunders- the more money it gets?
with interest that must be paid to the banks?

It is possible to watch to much tv- to get over whelmed with negative things.

Statistically a heart attack is more likely then being blown up.



DCWoody -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/19/2010 7:07:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: YSG

Being of Irish decent, I do understand and even sympathize with the ideals of the IRA, wich is getting the British out of Ireland. However, I do not support the cause because of the methods used. There has been far too much bloodshed, caused by both sides. Continuing to use violence will not make the British any more inclined to honor their agreements, or see the Irish as being perfectly able to take care of themselves, wich they are.

Steven is actually correct, there are more reasons than just religion, wich is the biggest excuse.



No, it's to get the protestants out of Ireland. Or these days, it's just to use the politics as cover for generic gangster shit.

"I do understand"

I'm afraid you very clearly don't.....no offense intended, but you appear to be the stereotypical 'Irish'-american in this case.

@pah "So while my attitude me seem mean-  to the UK-  I dish it out per the US as well."

Don't worry, that's not what we're thinking.

@thishereboi, this is a thread about NI. Moaning when people criticise the US about it is idiotic.



YSG -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/19/2010 7:18:34 AM)

No dude, religion is the excuse most used, but its alot more than that. Beleive me, the Irish resentment towards the British goes back centuries, all the way to the "convert or die" religious crap. Then there's the fact of them using the Irish as slave labor, looking at them as less than human, etc. Religion is not the only reason.



Lucylastic -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/19/2010 7:24:27 AM)

The  orange day parade is not a bloody religious mixer
shessh



pahunkboy -> RE: THe protestants and the catholics are still fighting over in NI(as in july 2010) (9/19/2010 7:25:59 AM)

One must ask the question,

what about Iceland?



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