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Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 10:00:17 AM

truckinslave

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Prince William County in Virginia found an easy way to do that: harsh crackdown on illegal immigration.

The University of Virginia conducted an exhaustive study that credited the crackdown with numerous benefits to the county.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/12/17/virginia-county-trims-government-cuts-taxes-by-cracking-down-on-illegal-immigration/

Here's what libtards say:

1. Poverty causes crime.
2. Illegal immigrants are otherwise law-abiding people who take low-paying jobs Americans don't want.

They fail to see the contradiction.

BTW, can anyone tell me why I no longer have color options, and/or why I can no longer quote/box text by highlighting it before I hit: "reply"? Thanks

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 10:06:29 AM

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Hey Truck-- did you know Bush was pushing for immigration reform?

The GOP wants it- the Dems want it.

The average Joe does not want it.

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 10:09:21 AM

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Oh, yeah, Bush was a total zero as regards illegal aliens.
That was obvious before the election(s).....

It's not quite accurate to say that Rs and Ds alike want it. By a huge margin, most opposition to these shamnesty schemes has come from the R side of the aisle.

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 10:15:48 AM

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My beef is that we did a once in a lifetime - in 1986. Until my generation fades- we will always recall the phrase- once in a life time amnesty.

My question on all this- is would reform shore up Social Security? If so- then I would support it. It likely is a wash tho.

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 10:22:16 AM

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Reform would supposedly harm SoSec, the theory being that some illegals pay into the system but never collect. I am not saying I buy the theory....

We have 10% unemployment.
We have 10% illegal aliens (who are either working for a living, or stealing for one)
We just extended unemployment benefits to THREE fucking years.
The libtards claim illegals are good for us.

You can't make this shit up.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 10:25:25 AM

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I am in no hurry for austerity.    None.

Be careful with that.   With the trillions spent on wars- and waste- a few programs are a drop in the bucket.

When we get there it wont be pretty.

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 10:59:05 AM

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"It won't be pretty" is perhaps a (deliberate) understatement... but the prospects are getting uglier daily.

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ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 11:21:32 AM

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truckinslave

I read the article and the side bars and did not come to the same conclusions you came to…or at least we seem to of taken something different from the article.

As I understood the bottom line and thrust of the article is by lowering taxes, especially school taxes…reducing government…and by reducing illegal immigrants the local economy picked up… Businesses started hiring and employing local residents… could it be because they needed to replace illegal’s?

Reducing illegal’s was accomplished by requiring all show proof legal residency when pulled over by the police. I read some of the police report to the county and it showed 76 percent of Hispanics were OK with the law only slightly less the white residents.

It seems to be working for the economy even if not having much an effect on crime.

I see their policies as fair but one that should be watched to be sure discrimination does not creep in. I find nothing wrong with enforcing laws on illegal immigrants.

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 11:51:37 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Prince William County in Virginia found an easy way to do that: harsh crackdown on illegal immigration.

The University of Virginia conducted an exhaustive study that credited the crackdown with numerous benefits to the county.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/12/17/virginia-county-trims-government-cuts-taxes-by-cracking-down-on-illegal-immigration/

Here's what libtards say:

1. Poverty causes crime.
2. Illegal immigrants are otherwise law-abiding people who take low-paying jobs Americans don't want.

They fail to see the contradiction.

BTW, can anyone tell me why I no longer have color options, and/or why I can no longer quote/box text by highlighting it before I hit: "reply"? Thanks

Truckin', just North of here in North Carolina one-third of the DWI fatalities are caused by illegal aliens, WAY out of proportion to their numbers.
And in the local newspaper's website they have a section called "Mugshots" and there's always illegal aliens in it.
When you see, "no bail set" for something minor you know they're illegals and will be held after trial.
Even the ones they catch for minor infractions get on the jail bus and are sent down to Charleston to a federal facility.
Man, some of them are some "fugly" mofos! I call them "pumpkin heads."
The Mexicans and Central Americans aren't a real good looking group of people.
They look like they came right out of the stone age minus the hair. Some of them are pretty scary looking.
So, the local and state police in this state (SC) are on top of the situation.
About four or five miles down the road are a bunch of trailers that they live in. Whenever we see three or four cop cars go screaming by here everyone knows where they're going! About four or five years ago one of them killed another in a drunkin knife fight.
The News said the guy bled out and was dead before the cops got there.
You can see the mugshots in The Sunnews.com
Some of them are pretty comical!

< Message edited by popeye1250 -- 12/18/2010 11:52:58 AM >

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 12:14:43 PM

truckinslave

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I've been bangin this drum for years, a small part of the cacophony that just killed the illnamed Dream Act.

A nation that doesn't control its borders is headed for civil war, or simple dissolution.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 1:29:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Man, some of them are some "fugly" mofos! I call them "pumpkin heads."
The Mexicans and Central Americans aren't a real good looking group of people.
They look like they came right out of the stone age minus the hair. Some of them are pretty scary looking.

You are truly one disgusting individual.

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 1:41:02 PM

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Don't tell the Federal Govt this. They will want to sue them like they are suing us.

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 1:43:01 PM

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What you guys should do, is build a huge wall around your entire country, and not let anyone in, or out. I'm sure that would fix all your problems.

And ours, come to think of it...

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 1:46:39 PM

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Hey Hertz How about not ILLEGAL (you know the law breakers) in and do let the ILLEGAL (you know the law breakers) out.

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 1:49:38 PM

popeye1250

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quote:

ORIGINAL: calamitysandra

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Man, some of them are some "fugly" mofos! I call them "pumpkin heads."
The Mexicans and Central Americans aren't a real good looking group of people.
They look like they came right out of the stone age minus the hair. Some of them are pretty scary looking.

You are truly one disgusting individual.

Ah, no, *they're* disgusting!
They sneak into our country and you want to be "nice" to them?
What if your young son or daughter was killed by one who was driving drunk?

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 2:01:09 PM

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You know, if my child was hurt, my first question would emphatically not be to inquire about the drivers legal status.

But I do not see where that has any bearing onto the bile you are spewing.

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 2:05:48 PM

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There's more than one face to this story. Many of the people entering the US illegally are doing so to escape crime and to look for the opportunity to work.

'Why is this our problem?' I hear you ask.

Well, it's mostly because your government creates the difficulties these people are facing.

Many of the Mexicans entering the US illegally (60% of illegal immigrants into the US are from Mexico) will be attempting to escape the war between the drug cartels, which is fuelled by weaponry imported from the US, and crippling the ability of Mexico to maintain itself as a functioning state.

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At a bridge marking the frontier between El Paso in Texas and Ciudad Juarez in Mexico, drivers on the Mexican side sometimes wait for hours to have their vehicles searched for drugs by US officials. But the reverse journey is remarkably straightforward. Most drivers are waved through untroubled - only occasionally are southbound vehicles stopped. One can only guess how many US guns are crossing the frontier undetected. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12014794

This is a problem created by lax US border control - not of immigrants coming into the US, but of illegal weapons entering Mexico. What do you expect these people to do? Lax gun control in your country is crippling your neighbour. These people just want to escape your guns.

And then there's Central America. We all know about the effort the US has made there in destabilising democratic government there - especially Socialist government.

Don't pretend you are the victims. You are not. The victims are your poor neighbours.

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 2:11:52 PM

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There's more than one face to this story. Many of the people entering the US illegally are doing so to escape crime and to look for the opportunity to work.

'Why is this our problem?' I hear you ask.

Well, it's mostly because your government creates the difficulties these people are facing.

Many of the Mexicans entering the US illegally (60% of illegal immigrants into the US are from Mexico) will be attempting to escape the war between the drug cartels, which is fuelled by weaponry imported from the US, and crippling the ability of Mexico to maintain itself as a functioning state.

This is a problem created by lax US border control - not of immigrants coming into the US, but of illegal weapons entering Mexico. What do you expect these people to do? Lax gun control in your country is crippling your neighbour. These people just want to escape your guns.

And then there's Central America. We all know about the effort the US has made there in destabilising democratic government there - especially Socialist government.

Don't pretend you are the victims. You are not. The victims are your poor neighbours.

Wow, I've never seen one person be so wrong all at once. You call the criminals violating our country's laws the victims. I suppose you also blame rape victims for what happens to them. You're ridiculous.

Let's see if I can straighten this out for you. ILLEGALS come here; they engage in CRIME once here...that CRIME includes GUN RUNNING. Those guns go south of the border.

Seems to me, those "victims" you whine about are their own victimizers. I know *I* certainly sent *no* guns anywhere south of the border. I also don't drink and therefore don't drink and drive, so my chances of killing an innocent family due to being drunk behind the wheel are zero.

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 2:37:08 PM

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Wow, I've never seen one person be so wrong all at once. You call the criminals violating our country's laws the victims. I suppose you also blame rape victims for what happens to them. You're ridiculous.

No, you're getting confused. You are ridiculous.

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Let's see if I can straighten this out for you. ILLEGALS come here; they engage in CRIME once here...that CRIME includes GUN RUNNING. Those guns go south of the border.

I don't think so. The guns are more likely to be traded by US citizens. The guns do go south of the border, but once there they are used to create merry hell, courtesy of the good ol' US of A. Obviously, this isn't all there is to the problem - I wouldn't want to give you that impression. But I don't see the US as an entirely innocent victim.

I can smell socks. Can you smell socks?

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RE: Want to lower crime and cut taxes? - 12/18/2010 2:46:29 PM

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No, you're getting confused. You are ridiculous.

Did you seriously just use a child-like, school-yard "I'm not, YOU are!" argument?

Congratulations. You've just rendered your argument null and void. It already was, sort of, since you're from nowhere near the two countries you're rattling on about and thus have no actual clue about the cause of the trouble. However, your choice to resort to the "No I'm not, YOU are!" argument exposes the fact that you have very little to stand on in this "debate" and must resort to childlike antics.

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ORIGINAL: hertz
I don't think so. The guns are more likely to be traded by US citizens. The guns do go south of the border, but once there they are used to create merry hell, courtesy of the good ol' US of A. Obviously, this isn't all there is to the problem - I wouldn't want to give you that impression. But I don't see the US as an entirely innocent victim.

I'd spend actual time debating this psuedo-point; but it's not worth it. You have no facts to back it up and all you're going to do is resort to your school-yard antics anyway.

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