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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 1/30/2011 1:07:07 PM   
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When you love you surrender yourself to a high purpose; consequently, it is very meaningful. In this there is joy.

*sighs* No. When YOU love YOU surrender YOURself to a higher purpose and consequently YOU experience joy. Me too by the way. It ought to be abundantly clear to you that not everyone experiences these things in the same way though.


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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 1/30/2011 5:27:47 PM   
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When you love you surrender yourself to a high purpose; consequently, it is very meaningful. In this there is joy.


*sighs* No. When YOU love YOU surrender YOURself to a higher purpose and consequently YOU experience joy. Me too by the way. It ought to be abundantly clear to you that not everyone experiences these things in the same way though.



Ok, you got me there. I'm not entirely clear on what you mean by "not everyone experiences these things in the same way though." I gather you mean that love is not always relevant. I could buy that. It's nice to have friends. Its nice to have female friends to play with too. The innocent things like her sitting at my feet even though we are just friends. Maybe a few other obsequious things like serving me food, opening the door for me, things like that.

I'm not all that keen on doing more unless we both agree to be more than friends. I cannot fully relate to sex for fun. With more experience perhaps I could bend a few rules and explore some limits, but doubt I would ever be completely sold on the idea. I can relate to some things need to be a certain way out of practical necessity. Now this is something I can relate to. Sex for the hedonistic pleasure of it? No. There has got to be something more substantive about the relationship than this. I do not feel that this is a socially conditioned taboo. I feel that it likely has a genetic basis.

Is it possible that some people just missed the boat and didn't get that gene? I suppose that is possible. It is also possible they have the gene, but it just isn't getting expressed. As long as I'm getting what I need out of life I'm not especially interested in what the neighbor is doing. As long as they are good neighbors I don't really care. That pretty much wraps up my feelings on the matter.

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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 1/30/2011 11:15:41 PM   
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And on a side note, you've crossed the fine line between poesis and a trying too hard. Glorifying oneself is incredibly lame, and quoting clichés ("Amore, amore...", "All is fair in love and war") is like having a runway show with pieces of clothing from someone else's collection.


Artists often have people known as critics who don't know a thing about anything for that matter, but know enough where they think they know it all. Just look at your own words. You speak as if you were an automaton. Clichés? What criteria did you use? A keyword search? Are you saying it can be reduced to an algorithm? You are a hypocrite. Do not preach your trash to me minister. Instead be entertained.

I noticed your use of the word poesis. See http://records.viu.ca/~johnstoi/introser/republic.htm. What trash might I find here I wonder. Look at these ridiculous words

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One way to interpret what Socrates is saying in Book X and elsewhere in the text is to claim that he is trying to insist that lovers of the truth and seekers after the good life must abandon a traditional language (the language of poetry, whose essence is metaphor) and embrace a new language (the language of philosophy, whose essence is reason as manifested in geometry).


As manifested in geometry? The text goes on and says

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The text makes this clear in the repeated attempts to dethrone Homer. Socrates ridicules the trust people have in Homer, ...


Maybe Homer was a little more human.

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To this objection to poesis on the ground that it is a misrepresentation of the truth of things, Plato adds a second obvious objection which arises from his psychology of the human soul. Poesis, by its very nature, must appeal to and arouse the most dangerous part of the human personality, the sensual part. Since, at the very best of times, the human psyche is in a state of tension, any incitement to the lowest part of it (the emotions) threatens psychological harmony and thus the balance necessary to virtue and happiness. Hence, poetry not only corrupts the understanding by misrepresenting the truth of things; it also destabilizes the individual human psyche, encouraging various kinds of unwelcome destructive and self-destructive feelings and actions.


Sounds like the Catholic church. The Jesuits have a saying, What is white is black and what is black is white.

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Plato and Censorship

One solution presented by The Republic is very well known: poesis must be strictly censored. While we may honour poets, like Homer, we escort them to the borders and tell them that we have no place for them in our ideal community. We have a different understanding of the truth and a different language for exploring it than that made available though poesis. Though we honour poetry, we don't want it.


I have spoken on rational design. Are my ideas dangerous? Should they be censored?

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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 1/31/2011 5:55:25 AM   
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When you love you surrender yourself to a high purpose; consequently, it is very meaningful. In this there is joy.


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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 1/31/2011 8:09:19 AM   
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just showing some love!

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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 1/31/2011 10:32:54 AM   
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I agree 100%

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When you love you surrender yourself to a high purpose; consequently, it is very meaningful. In this there is joy.




This too sounds like the Catholic church. On one hand lovers of paradise on Earth and on the other just paradise.

All I ever really wanted was to find love, but what I have instead is a social commentary.

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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 1/31/2011 10:46:13 AM   
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All is fair in love and war, even this. Merciless am I for you are unworthy of mercy. You belong at my side under my thumb. Amore, Amore. May you be chained to me for all eternity.


This is the Word of God. Thanks be to God.

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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 1/31/2011 11:42:43 AM   
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All is fair in love and war, even this. Merciless am I for you are unworthy of mercy. You belong at my side under my thumb. Amore, Amore. May you be chained to me for all eternity.


This is the Word of God. Thanks be to God.


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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 1/31/2011 11:57:32 AM   
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oh dear, maybe i can be spared being a witch and all.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

All is fair in love and war, even this. Merciless am I for you are unworthy of mercy. You belong at my side under my thumb. Amore, Amore. May you be chained to me for all eternity.


This is the Word of God. Thanks be to God.




Yes.

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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 1/31/2011 3:04:20 PM   
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clichés


You fail to understand that I am not connecting to something new, but to something old.

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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 2/1/2011 8:47:22 AM   
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oh dear, maybe i can be spared being a witch and all.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

All is fair in love and war, even this. Merciless am I for you are unworthy of mercy. You belong at my side under my thumb. Amore, Amore. May you be chained to me for all eternity.


This is the Word of God. Thanks be to God.




Yes.


I feel some elaboration on this point is in order. The mechanical principles were abolished. To understand what I've written is to understand love. It is a thing that the adversary of God cannot understand. The adversary of God can understand self-interest, however. Self-interest works well in the rational design model. If you can grasp that which the adversary of God cannot, you are with God. Go forth with this confidence and ye shall be blessed and exulted. I make this promise to you in the name of Jesus Christ.

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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 2/1/2011 9:32:46 AM   
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I will excerpt the salient points here and now: "85% of the women are sick of listening to you."


which was funny. mnottertail made me laugh. As long as 15% remains those are good numbers!

In the same thread I wrote earlier in reply to Musicmystery:

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Nicely put. What you are saying is not altogether untrue. The problem is it is 85% true. This makes the statement "Design a good systemic structure, and it doesn't matter whom you put into the structure." seem almost true. ...


So there is a caveat. Do not ignore the man entirely for what he has to say is not entirely untrue.

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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 2/1/2011 10:13:23 AM   
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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 2/1/2011 12:51:02 PM   
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The Love you have for another, does not mean you will conqueror jack shit.


You raise a good point Whiplashsmile4. This view is prevelent. Love is like water and stone. Water with time will reshape the landscape. The Grand Canyon is an example of such a reshaping. Even the hardest stone will yield; thus, water is domineering. Water will dominate stone. Yet, stone seems more imposing than water. I am more like water than stone.

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Love is a conqueror. If I have not conquered you today, I shall some day. It is about as dominant a force there is. It it merciless in its endurance and is unrelenting. She is to present herself broken on the anvil of love, today or tomorrow.


Notice that I said, "She is to present herself ..." I'm not talking about coercion. She is consenting. When females are raised to be like stone, I agree it can take awhile. In fact so long that it seems that I'll have to wait for God to present me with female angels in the after life in compensation. Females are impatient too and so you may have a point. I'm not sexually aggressive.

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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 2/4/2011 12:29:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was thinking about what leadership527 wrote in her signature line: "I want a joyous, loving, respectful relationship where the male is in charge and deserves to be. - DavanKael". Though it was not her intention to present it here since it is part of her signature that is automatically attached to each of her posts it was appropriate. The words "deserves to be" is naturally from her prospective. From my prospective I want a female that is not entirely unworthy. Few are worthy, however. Many sadly go out of their way to prove that they are unworthy.

Such words though beautiful are hedonistic in contrast with what I wrote. The emphasis is on having a wonderful life as opposed to the everlasting.

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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 2/4/2011 12:46:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		BenevolentM, it is very strange to see you quote yourself, and respond to your own quotes. It is like watching you talk to yourself.

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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 2/4/2011 12:48:44 PM   
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What I want out of a relationship is the love and adoration of my lover. I want to have good cause to praise my lover (I'm a straight dominant male by the way). I feel it is the obligation of my lover to strive to give me that cause. I desire excellence. Some feel that love is inconvenient, a contradiction. I regard it as a foregone conclusion that love creates obligations. These obligations limit your freedom. It is true that love can bring a dominant man to his knees, but this is to win her heart. Love is a conqueror. If I have not conquered you today, I shall some day. It is about as dominant a force there is. It it merciless in its endurance and is unrelenting. She is to present herself broken on the anvil of love, today or tomorrow.

All is fair in love and war, even this. Merciless am I for you are unworthy of mercy. You belong at my side under my thumb. Amore, Amore. May you be chained to me for all eternity.

That is wonderful for you. I seek a Long Term Relationship but I also know the difficulty in finding one for some feel that there has to be love to be involved in D/s and others do not.
I have had a couple of casual D/s relationships that were involved but not full-blown. I cared, as did they. I loved, as did they. I was not in love, nor were they.

While I can agree that love does create obligations, those obligations should be experienced in a manner that does not breed resentment or that make the person feel that they've been forced from them. Is there a set of rules as to what should be there? Not one that applies to everyone.

I want someone that can look at Me and need Me...want Me...CD...enough that they would be willing to set aside their pride to say..."Don't walk away...please. Let's fix this...and make it better...if we can." Strange as it sounds, I want to be worth that to someone and not hear another line like this..."it isn't you. You ARE worth it BUT it is me. I can't change me enough."
To me, that is...in all but the rarest cases...the classical line described by therapists as a "YeahBut".

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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 2/4/2011 12:49:46 PM   
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BenevolentM, it is very strange to see you quote yourself, and respond to your own quotes. It is like watching you talk to yourself.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...don't notice THAT.

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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 2/4/2011 1:34:09 PM   
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BenevolentM, it is very strange to see you quote yourself, and respond to your own quotes. It is like watching you talk to yourself.


I am merely building on previous work. What you are saying, as surprising as it may seem to you, is that if were to construct a brick wall and you created a row of bricks that you are not to place a row of bricks above the row you just laid. This analogy is incomplete in that it does not fully express the notion of nesting though sequence involves nesting. Computers allow us to more easily express notions that involve nesting explicitly. Unfortunately, I doubt you will understand what I just said. This is what mathematicians do when they develop proofs. What I'm saying is that my development has a mathematical character.

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RE: Is Love Inconvenient? - 2/4/2011 1:53:22 PM   
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That is wonderful for you. I seek a Long Term Relationship but I also know the difficulty in finding one for some feel that there has to be love to be involved in D/s and others do not.
I have had a couple of casual D/s relationships that were involved but not full-blown. I cared, as did they. I loved, as did they. I was not in love, nor were they.

While I can agree that love does create obligations, those obligations should be experienced in a manner that does not breed resentment or that make the person feel that they've been forced from them. Is there a set of rules as to what should be there? Not one that applies to everyone.

I want someone that can look at Me and need Me...want Me...CD...enough that they would be willing to set aside their pride to say..."Don't walk away...please. Let's fix this...and make it better...if we can." Strange as it sounds, I want to be worth that to someone and not hear another line like this..."it isn't you. You ARE worth it BUT it is me. I can't change me enough."
To me, that is...in all but the rarest cases...the classical line described by therapists as a "YeahBut".


I am much more deeply involved with concepts than most. For example I just wrote:

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... What I'm saying is that my development has a mathematical character.


What I've presented to all of you has a far deeper meaning than many of you may realize. It is, for example, the rational foundation for the anti-abortion movement.

When I think, I think big. I work on the really big questions. This puts me in the category of a philosopher. You might say I'm hardcore, as in a hardcore intellectual. As might be noticed from what I wrote in the thread "Value of Poetry" in All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Gorean Lifestyles located at http://www.collarchat.com/m_3552515/tm.htm I'm considerably more straight-laced about reason than I am about sex. If you show me that you are an intellectual whore, I might be inclined to bite your head off.

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