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tazzygirl -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/17/2011 11:57:39 AM)
You bet... rofl... no wonder why you are broke... because you would lose that bet... gesh!

rulemylife -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/17/2011 1:25:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl You bet... rofl... no wonder why you are broke... because you would lose that bet... gesh! I still have no idea what you are talking about, but I think you understood my point. Was there ever a time when the younger generation lived up to the standards of their elders? Because somehow their elders always worked harder, sacrificed more, and were far more respectful. At least in their memories. Somehow I think their own elders would remember it differently.

Elisabella -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/17/2011 2:38:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Teachers aren't there to teach and guide? IMO a teacher's job is to teach the subject they are attempting to educate the child in (math, language, grammar, etc.) not to teach behavior and life skills.

tazzygirl -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/17/2011 5:34:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl You bet... rofl... no wonder why you are broke... because you would lose that bet... gesh! I still have no idea what you are talking about, but I think you understood my point. Was there ever a time when the younger generation lived up to the standards of their elders? Because somehow their elders always worked harder, sacrificed more, and were far more respectful. At least in their memories. Somehow I think their own elders would remember it differently. You didnt get mine. I was in the south going to high school... what snow??? I have no doubt in some ways the older generations were more respectful than the younger ones behind them. Its only getting worse.

Marini -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/17/2011 7:10:42 PM)
I could give a million examples on how this current generation is a tad different than mine. Here is one, a white teacher confided in me that she had worked in LA with kids that were crips, bloods, MS 13, etc. she said they looked out for her and most respected her, she said they even would walk her to her car to make sure she was safe. At our current school, at the beginning of the year when she told some kids to go to class, she said they said this to her, "Who the fuck are you talking to you old fat white bitch?", and a few other things. lol, no in my day you didn't talk to teachers like that. So many stories, so little time, and so many so very clueless. Those of you who have not done so recently, go visit or volunteer in some schools, even better, make that urban schools. then come back and talk smack then.

WhiteRae -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/17/2011 7:50:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Teachers aren't there to teach and guide? IMO a teacher's job is to teach the subject they are attempting to educate the child in (math, language, grammar, etc.) not to teach behavior and life skills. I could not disagree more. The teachers that do their job the best and help students the most are the ones who try to help their students grow up and gain life skills. My best friend's younger brother is rude and disrespectful to almost all his teachers, but the one teacher he respects is the one who goes out of his way to try and help students. He was my robotics coach in high school as well and every year we go to compete and normally he asks students/parents for $100 to offset club costs (hotel and food for three days), but he knew my friend would never be able to afford it. She didn't even make a huge contribution to the club, but he wanted her to come just because he knew it would help her a lot to just get away from her house for a few days. These are the kinds of teachers this country needs. The ones who genuinely want to help.

xXsoumisXx -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/17/2011 8:00:11 PM)
I have not read all of the replies. just the first few. my [sm=2cents.gif] We all, as educators, have some kind of confidentiality clause in our contracts, the blog violates that. I do understand her frustration. I believe it all comes down to the break down of the family, in America. At the end of the day, many many parents are tired and over worked, and don't have a family dinner, don't discuss homework.. they might ask if homework is done... they will, of course, be told yes.. just, feed the kids, no one is in trouble, yay! no negative notes or phone calls.. sign whatever needs signing in the backpack.. get through the evening until morning, start over.. etc etc.. we might say that 2 parent families need both parents working.. but think about this... when one parent was home, up until the early 70's.. homes were much smaller... family cars were not fancy..it is about priorities and values. when we have children, we sacrifice as needed.

girlygurl -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/17/2011 8:06:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Teachers aren't there to teach and guide? IMO a teacher's job is to teach the subject they are attempting to educate the child in (math, language, grammar, etc.) not to teach behavior and life skills. Who's responsibility is it to teach behavior and life skills? If your answer is, " the parents" I think your expectations are too high. Not that I don't agree with you, but reality dictates that not all parents are capable of doing so. Yea, I know, then they shouldn't be having children. What I see on a daily basis are children that get the most structure from school, which includes behavior and life skills. It takes a village.

InvisibleBlack -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/17/2011 8:23:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella IMO a teacher's job is to teach the subject they are attempting to educate the child in (math, language, grammar, etc.) not to teach behavior and life skills. I somewhat disagree. The primary or stated goal of the school system is to provide the students an education in the stated curriculum - and for this, yes, each teacher's role is to teach a particular subject well enough that the students in the class understand and retain the knowledge. However, the secondary function of the school system is socialization - to teach the students things like how to interact in society, problem solving and critical thinking skills, the way to express yourself and articulate your thoughts in a relatively intelligent manner, teamwork and competition and a variety of other "unstated skills" - which I would say also include concepts like honesty, honor, compassion, trustworthiness and the like. I would argue that the two go hand in hand. I doubt someone could get through a dozen years of school with a mastery in every subject and not pick up at least a passing handful of these secondary skills. Beyond that, to be a successful member of society (however you want to define that) requires expertise (or at least competency) in both areas.

WyldHrt -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/17/2011 9:56:32 PM)
quote: I don't think you've been in a classroom lately either. Or taken a look at a dubious future knowing that all the shit a past generation has done is going to be heaped on your head. When the generation ahead of ours and theirs starts to live responsibly and take care of themselves, this country, and the world then .......start blaming the kids.... Wow, that takes me back [:D] Guess what, DYB... 20+ years ago, some of my generation were pulling the exact same bullshit on our parents and grandparents when we pissed them off and got called on the carpet for our behavior. Your complaint is as old as the fable of walking 5 miles to school, in the snow, uphill, both ways. That said, don't be incredibly surprised when you reach my age and are annoyed with the behavior of 'kids these days' (yeah, I didn't believe it either, way back when) LOL On to the next: That said, if 16-18 year olds are really children to be coddled and protected from the realities and responsibilities of adult life (such as some harsh words), then they should be treated as such: Children don't drive, so... a learner's permit at 18, license at 21. Children don't vote, for good reason, so... voting age upped to 21. Children cannot understand the consequences of sex... so age of consent upped to 21 (stop looking at those 18 y/o hotties, pls) Children cannot volunteer to serve their country.. age of enlistment, 21 Children are protected by labor laws... age to procure full time employment, 21 The current age for legal drinking is now 21.... so it should be 25 (sorry, nightclub owners!) The kids will thank you so much for your concern when these ideas become law [8D] Seriously, Lazarus1983 is dead on here. The privileges of adulthood come with responsibility, and 'kids' can't expect to get one without being subject to the other.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/18/2011 5:11:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Teachers aren't there to teach and guide? IMO a teacher's job is to teach the subject they are attempting to educate the child in (math, language, grammar, etc.) not to teach behavior and life skills. Thats just nutty especially for someone in this lifestyle. If you spend that kind of time with someone/anyone in a superior/pupil relationship there is more than just teaching going on. We are humans not robots. There is no way around that sort of interaction.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/18/2011 5:19:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt quote: I don't think you've been in a classroom lately either. Or taken a look at a dubious future knowing that all the shit a past generation has done is going to be heaped on your head. When the generation ahead of ours and theirs starts to live responsibly and take care of themselves, this country, and the world then .......start blaming the kids.... Wow, that takes me back [:D] Guess what, DYB... 20+ years ago, some of my generation were pulling the exact same bullshit on our parents and grandparents when we pissed them off and got called on the carpet for our behavior. Your complaint is as old as the fable of walking 5 miles to school, in the snow, uphill, both ways. That said, don't be incredibly surprised when you reach my age and are annoyed with the behavior of 'kids these days' (yeah, I didn't believe it either, way back when) LOL On to the next: That said, if 16-18 year olds are really children to be coddled and protected from the realities and responsibilities of adult life (such as some harsh words), then they should be treated as such: Children don't drive, so... a learner's permit at 18, license at 21. Children don't vote, for good reason, so... voting age upped to 21. Children cannot understand the consequences of sex... so age of consent upped to 21 (stop looking at those 18 y/o hotties, pls) Children cannot volunteer to serve their country.. age of enlistment, 21 Children are protected by labor laws... age to procure full time employment, 21 The current age for legal drinking is now 21.... so it should be 25 (sorry, nightclub owners!) The kids will thank you so much for your concern when these ideas become law [8D] Seriously, Lazarus1983 is dead on here. The privileges of adulthood come with responsibility, and 'kids' can't expect to get one without being subject to the other. Sorry disagree. Past generations coming out of WW2 were given the milk and honey of what the US had to offer. What did they do with it? Fucked it away. Did nothing. Said they were going to do something but instead bought lexus's and mercedes. The two generations are not comparable. Your generation has the luxury of knowing demographics was on its side...then and now. All I ever hear out of your generation is the same thing...whining......whining and more whining. Me, Me, ME.....and now... As to responsibilities. I dont think it was an 18 year old that gave them the ability to be drafted. The Government did that. ie. people that needed unthinking fodder for their war machines. Want to change the driving, sex and voting laws.....be my guest. Guess what...you've got the votes to win it. But I will ask you the same thing I did tazzy....Where is the cutoff? Why stop and 18 why not go down to 17 or 16 or 15......Why not do away with child labor laws altogether because surely kids need to be taught responsibility...don't they? Your arguments come right out of the 19th century....

came4U -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/18/2011 5:41:25 AM)
I am kinda Johnny-come-lately, but kinda just noticed this thread. Hmm, all I wanna say (and no, I didn't not read all comments) and not sure if this has been brought up... but, A teacher, is paid for by public taxpayer funding (and even if it is private funding) and should behave as such--as a mayor, a police officer, a city garbage collector, it doesn't matter. The education system itself is run as a 'business', a corporation, a union, with leaders, lessers and again back to being CITY owned and operated with budget accordingly. A student, all students, as in any corporation with interactions with the 'propriety' of that social institution must be given RESPECT and EXPECT privacy in all of it's forms. Just as a bank customer, a mall shopper or a doctor's patient be treated as such, the student should also. There is a chain of command in all that we do and interact with--some people need to learn to USE IT! If a teacher is disgusted with the current development or lack of motivation given by her/his students...he goes to the source: first parent/s, school principal, school administrator/school board, school union to make a claim or objection to her/his considerations. If it isn't taken seriously..QUIT! Move on!! Eventually someone will get the hint that teaching has become a 'disposable' mode of temporary employment for the most part anyways. It is beyond unprofessional to the point of ignorance biased abuse to 'shout-out' (by any means, streetcorner, local park, an internet blog) publicly one's grievances with any given student body in this manner. I won't even mention how ignorant she must be to post it without her name attached yet how easily it was to confirm her identity. Dumb! Students can't learn any respect from teachers who have so little self control that they do not know the rules themselves in how to legibly, legally and maturely handle themselves or a 'stressful' situation as such. If she were out in the REAL world and posted as as a current Bank of American employee dissing customers as 'dumb, lazy, broke- asses who can't control themselves', she'd be fired in an instant turning instead into some brokeass who didn't control themselves. *btw. Is it SO hard to ask of up and coming teachers to be not only educated and wise but KIND AND PATIENT? --if they cannot be so, then they need to re-train to work in a factory wharehouse to avoid being with pestered by anyone at all.

tazzygirl -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/18/2011 6:19:49 AM)
quote: But I will ask you the same thing I did tazzy....Where is the cutoff? Why stop and 18 why not go down to 17 or 16 or 15......Why not do away with child labor laws altogether because surely kids need to be taught responsibility...don't they? Your arguments come right out of the 19th century.... Which I answered, then asked you a question. When are you going to answer that one?

DomYngBlk -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/18/2011 6:32:58 AM)
Answered. I don't think I ever said parents have no responsibility to teach and mentor their children.

tazzygirl -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/18/2011 6:37:30 AM)
Yet you keep tossing the blame back onto the school system for failing the "kids"? At 25, I could still consider you a "kid". How would you like to be treated as such? Think a 17 year old male wants to be treated like a "kid"? I do, when it suits his purpose.

rulemylife -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/18/2011 6:38:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I have no doubt in some ways the older generations were more respectful than the younger ones behind them. Its only getting worse. Absolutely. I hear Elvis is going to be the ruin of the country's youth.

tazzygirl -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/18/2011 6:40:36 AM)
Yep.. Elvis.. The Beatles... and lets not even talk about Jerry!

DomYngBlk -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/18/2011 6:45:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Yet you keep tossing the blame back onto the school system for failing the "kids"? At 25, I could still consider you a "kid". How would you like to be treated as such? Think a 17 year old male wants to be treated like a "kid"? I do, when it suits his purpose. Not at all. I just don't want to hear someone complaining about kids and parents and acting as if they aren't part of the equation. Somehow, you seem to think kids should raise themselves from 10 years on up. WTF is that? Maybe that is how you raised yours but I don't think it is optimal.

tazzygirl -> RE: Don't criticize the educatonal system or students (2/18/2011 6:47:13 AM)
Who said ten? I said 16 - 18 year olds. Go back and check my posts. There is a huge difference in those 6 to 8 years. And I never let the parents off the hook. They are responsible for what their "kids" do, arent they?

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