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Lockit -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 9:22:11 AM)

Does anyone remember a story that hit the news when a teacher, I think it was on the east coast of the US, busted and failed a bunch of students that were found cheating? The parents went wild!!!! They wanted the teacher fired for ruining their high school children's future and ability to get into college.

Say what?

I had the opportunity to go to grandparents day with my grandson. I was not happy at all. I tried to play it cool and just work with the children, but soon other grandparents were sharing looks with me. WE handled that class. I could see where parental issues were, but also where there were issues with the classroom itself and the teacher. By the time I left I was ready for war and so was my grandsons other grandmother who is a meek as can be.

Society has a big problem, parents have major issues, teachers aren't being taught or given the ability to handle a classroom and children are being cheated all the way around. If we can't see that and admit it and demand something is done about it... it will only get worse.

My grandmother was a well respected teacher and asked to teach in some of the best schools in the area. She refused any offer they made her and stayed where she felt she was needed most. No matter where I went to school, my grandmother checked up on my with all the staff... talk about embarrassing... lol and I would hear reports on weekends with grandma. I stood on lines at recess, separated from the others at lunch and had to hold the teachers hand whenever we went out of the class and I got in trouble for constantly talking in class. Why did I talk in class? I couldn't hear and was asking someone what the teacher just said.

I survived. I learned to speak up for myself and deal with it all. It made me who I became and I am damn glad grandma embarrassed me and everyone watched me even when they were wrong.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 10:00:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

~FR~ I really don't get this -- the teacher should have called?  Umm why?  Just because its 2011 means a note home is not as IMPORTANT so the parents don't need to address the issue until there is a call?


I doubt the mother in question even received a note hence stapling one to the kid's shirt.  The teacher could have easily called the mother and if the mother was confronted about her child's behaviour on that platform as opposed to this one, my guess is she would have been more understanding about the situation. 






LadyPact -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 10:01:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

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Innocent said the teacher’s reasoning for stapling the note was to make sure the parents received the note because the teacher felt the child hadn’t been taking home progress and disciplinary reports requested by his parents.

Innocent said she had been getting those reports.

OK, so the parents requested progress and disciplinary reports, and according to the mother, received them. Is anyone else wondering why the frikkin parents did not contact the teacher here??

It sounds like the parents did not acknowledge the reports that the mother says they received in any way, leaving the teacher guessing whether they had ever seen them. I find it amazing that some people expect the teacher to call the parents when they couldn't even be arsed to respond to the notes and reports she had sent.

Thank you.  I've been reading this thread and wondering when someone was going to bring this up.  Seems to Me that the other notes that went home didn't change the behavior in class.  Dear ole MOM didn't take the appropriate steps to correct the child's behavior, contact the teacher to see what the issue was, and the kid was still disrupting the class.  Had MOM bothered to let the teacher know they were being received and taken the time to discuss what she expected of her child for his time in the classroom, there wouldn't have been another method used by the teacher in the first place.  Maybe instead of seeking her fifteen seconds of fame, MOM should actually invest that much time in discussing what is appropriate behavior with her son.




myotherself -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 10:14:01 AM)

I read this thread with some wry amusement.

I'm a teacher, and today I made 3 telephone calls home. I usually make maybe 10 a week.

First call was for an 11 year old boy who destroys my lessons, mainly by shouting, screaming, running around and hitting other kids. I give him detentions, he doesn't turn up. I call home, and leave yet another message on mum's voicemail. In 4 weeks I'm STILL waiting for her to call back. Oh, and she hasn't responded to either of the letters I've sent.

Second call, another 11 year old boy. Not too bad, but getting worse. Mum was incredibly supportive, apologised for son's behaviour and outlined his punishment at home (grounded, lose xbox, etc). She thanked me for calling sooner rather than later, and for caring about her son.

Third call, a 14 year old girl. I called home to say daughter was truanting classes, being foul-mouthed and abusive when she did turn up, and failed to do detentions. Mother said "she doesn't have to listen to you, you stupid f*****g c**t", and hung up the phone.

Dealing with parents is a game of russian roulette. You find the ones who actually give a shit about their kid are the ones who accept the problems and work with you to fix them. The rest will scream and shout at any 'injustice', and then disappear again when the problems arise again.

I don't condone what the teacher did, but I understand her frustration at dealing with some parents.




WyldHrt -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 10:55:39 AM)

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I doubt the mother in question even received a note hence stapling one to the kid's shirt.  The teacher could have easily called the mother and if the mother was confronted about her child's behaviour on that platform as opposed to this one, my guess is she would have been more understanding about the situation.
Per the mother, notes and reports had been requested and received. If they had been requested and weren't received, why didn't the mother call and find out why? If they weren't requested or received, then Mom is lying out her ass.

As for calling, the teacher wasn't interviewed. It's very possible that she did call and leave messages, and wasn't called back.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 11:11:39 AM)

Working with what we know, it seems that the teacher sent notes home with the kid, the kid leaves school, tosses the note into the garbage, and goes home.  We do not know if the teacher puts in the effort to call the mother, being we do not have their side of the story.  If there was a call made, then it is unfortunate that no action was taken to correct her son's behaviour.

However, you cannot just go around grabbing children and stapling notes to their shirt.  Maybe back in your day they did things like this, but now they do not (at least where I grew up which was an inner-city school).  As a previous poster said, if you're going to become a teacher - especially for young kids - you need to have more than just a teaching degree.  My father is also a teacher, and has been for over twenty years, and believe me he knows a horrible teacher when he sees one. 

The kid is being difficult to deal with, most kids are, but a teacher should think of better ways to break through to them.  Right now?  This teacher could be looking at suspension or termination.  For what?  To get a note home?  If the mother was being unreasonable to deal with before, then this is only going to fuel her fire.  If she had no prior knowledge to this happening at school, then you cannot blame her as a parent because she did not know her son was tossing notes. 

To me?  This looks like a teacher threw a little tantrum, and did it in a stupid way because guess what?  Now this has gotten media coverage, and it will most likely not end up very well for the teacher. 





Icarys -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 11:29:50 AM)

I think we should just form a mob and lynch'er...What a horrible horrible thing she has done. She deserves the chair for making little johhny uncomfortable.

Part of the problem as far as I see it..is it was done back in "my day" and isn't done today because most people have sand in their asses over the slightest hurt feeling. I'm glad she stapled his ass and embarrassed him. The little brat probably needed it as many these days do yet don't get because we wouldn't want to disturb their precious little hearts and make any waves they'll have to learn from.

FFS grow some parenting balls and stop coddling kids.




urineme -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 11:32:19 AM)

Having read the string, all four pages thereof, I've found several major issues addressed. One of the primary issues is that the little "darlings" aren't held responsible for their own behavior by their parents. By damn, if I'd been in the shoes of the little shit, having the note stapled, or in any other way sent home to my parents, would have been the mere begining of my worries. Rest assured that there'd have been commuppance, along with communications twixt home and the teacher inquiring as to the rest of my behavior. There would have been instilled, in no uncertan terms, the understanding that I didn't EVER want to do that again. In matters of in-class discipline, the teacher's word was downrifgt deific, and was backed to the hilt by my parents. That was just the way it was, and if you did something wrong or just plain stupid, you got appropriate consequences. When we moved to Arizona, (1969) they were still a corporal punishment state, and yes, I saw a few classmates get that wooden paddle across their ass. Classrooms were a LOT more focused and in-control then than they are now.

If parents started parenting again, and I mean NOT seeing discipline and consequences as bad things, then maybe society might have a chance. I feel no sypathy for the child in question, feel the parent thereof needs a high colonic reality-enema, and that society as a whole needs to realize that unless adherance to standards is instilled at an early age, then we're sowing our ruin as a society.

William




Arpig -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 11:33:38 AM)

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With the younger kids it was easier. Most were boys, most were interested in soccer, so I introduced the same rules as you find on a soccer pitch - yellow card and red card. I think the worst lesson I managed to show three yellow cards. The red card meant a visit to the principal.
Really quite brilliant




NocturnalStalker -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 11:41:31 AM)

Regardless of what we debate, this is just going to go back to "what worked for us" in our younger years.  I am personally not over a century old like some of you so...alright, alright, that was just a joke, calm down.  Seriously, I was not raised in the same way some of you were and I'd say it worked for the best.  I do know with confidence that if that happened where I grew up then there would be Hell to pay.  If on a personal note, I have kids (God forbid) and this happened then there'd be a lot of trouble for the person that did this.






Icarys -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 11:48:35 AM)

Some of us can understand without having to have kids and some can't. I believe you're one that needs to have kids before you can.

If the things that were done as punishment weren't done for me. I would have been a 100 fold worse than I am now.. Imagine that if you dare.

Did I like it, looking back? Hell no..Did I need it...Uh yeah. We often have to do things for the good of a person even if it's at times distasteful for those we love. I would like to believe anyone that's an adult has figured that out but I know it isn't true.




Arpig -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 12:02:13 PM)

I'm not going to talk about how things were when I was in school (I went to school overseas...corproal punishment was the 1st option), but rather what I would do if one of my kids came home with a note stapled to his shirt.

The first thing that would happen is I would let the kid give his side of the story, and if this was credible and it seemed the teacher was in the wrong (hasn't happened yet with 3 kids totalling about 30 years in the school system) I would contact the principle and arrange a meeting. Now assuming the kid either admitted the note was correct (the most likelt outcome with my kids) or gave me a bogus excuse, well then the kid would be grounded...pure and simple.

The shirt? its a 7 year olds shirt, what's the problem with a few staple holes? My kids have stapled stuff to their clothes for fun.

My response to the teacher...a simple "thanks for letting me know" would suffice.




defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 12:35:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Its called... taking responsibility for one's own actions. Something kids are not being taught these days.

“He was upset, he said the kids had been laughing at him,” Innocent said. “He was embarrassed and humiliated.”

“Everyone was starting to laugh at me,” the child said.



Of course children should be taught to take responsibility for their actions. But how long should the punishment last? The consequences of embarassing a child in front of their peers can last for months and even years in some cases. It sets them up as a target for bullying. Here's how it works. It starts with a single humiliation. When teasing from that incident gets old, classmates look for other things to taunt them about. In some cases, the bullying continues for years. This often leads to children skipping school, dropping out, and in extreme cases even suicide. I'm all for teachers maintaining order in the classroom, but NEVER through humiliation.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 12:41:25 PM)

DefiantBadGirl raises a good point.  Her picture also raises something else from me but we'll save that for court.

Really though, humiliation could in theory lead to an inferiority-complex.  These are impressionable minds they're dealing with here.




defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 12:43:30 PM)

I can't understand how anyone can not be against a teacher setting a student up to be a target for bullying.




divi -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 12:44:21 PM)

I agree with the above.  IF that was my kid I'd be pissed. 




DesFIP -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 12:52:50 PM)

The one thing everyone here is carefully ignoring is that back when we were kids, children with problems were not mainstreamed, they were expelled. The boy across the street got expelled from high school and went to Nam. Today he would have been diagnosed for ADHD and treated so he would have had the chance to go to college instead.

I'm not saying anything against those who choose the military, just showing that it frequently wasn't a choice. So when you have a child with a problem, they should be referred to the school psychologist for testing and diagnosis. And when a teacher complains that a child has been disruptive and then announces that they can't possibly be expected to actually read, let alone follow, an IEP, I have no sympathy.

And yes, that was my child. She committed the heinous crime of telling the kid next to her to shut up so she could hear the teacher. Why had she been placed between the two worst behaved kids in the class when it was clearly stated she needed an end seat that was pushed away from within touching distance of other students? Because the teacher couldn't be bothered to learn about the students or do what would be effective for them..




Aylee -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 12:56:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Its called... taking responsibility for one's own actions. Something kids are not being taught these days.

“He was upset, he said the kids had been laughing at him,” Innocent said. “He was embarrassed and humiliated.”

“Everyone was starting to laugh at me,” the child said.



Of course children should be taught to take responsibility for their actions. But how long should the punishment last? The consequences of embarassing a child in front of their peers can last for months and even years in some cases. It sets them up as a target for bullying. Here's how it works. It starts with a single humiliation. When teasing from that incident gets old, classmates look for other things to taunt them about. In some cases, the bullying continues for years. This often leads to children skipping school, dropping out, and in extreme cases even suicide. I'm all for teachers maintaining order in the classroom, but NEVER through humiliation.



We are talking about a 2nd grader. The incident will be forgotten by classmates in a week, tops.

A 7th grader would be a different story.

Oh, and the teacher put a sweatshirt over the kid so that the note would not be visible to classmates.




defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 1:39:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

We are talking about a 2nd grader. The incident will be forgotten by classmates in a week, tops.

A 7th grader would be a different story.



Bullshit. I was humiliated in kindergarten because the teacher didn't believe I could read. She said she didn't allow liars in her classroom. I was so embarassed I was unable to read in class when they started teaching the other students to read. I would get scared and freeze up. So the school thought I had a reading deficiency and stuck me in special ed. I had no problems reading there since the risk of humiliation didn't exist. When I was in the 3rd grade, they decided to test me to check my progress. According to the test results, I could read at 10th grade level. Of course, they took me out of special ed at that point, but the damage was done. I was bullied on a daily basis because I had been in special ed. The bullying continued for years until I dropped out of school. For years, I refused to attend college because I was terrified of public speaking, a required course. The point I'm trying to make is, humiliation does lead to bullying and an inferiority complex. I know from personal experience.




agirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 2:00:39 PM)

FR..

It doesn't really matter who's to blame. The whole thing is bigger than *less than attentive parents, that don't respond to notes and letters*, or *teacher's that attach notes to clothing*. (has snail-mail gone by the board altogether, by the way, if the aim was to ensure Mum and Dad were fully informed, especially if the problem warrented a note home)

The communication between the lad's educators and his parents was lax. It would have been far better, for the child himself, if the focus had been on sorting that out, rather than making a 3-ring-circus out of it.

My children OFTEN did not bring letters to my attention, of ANY kind, even ones regarding exceptional behaviour..........Because once they were home, they switched off, wanted to run in the garden, let off steam and were back in *homey herb garden* with supper smelling so nice as it simmered away and brothers and sisters to play with who they hadn't seen all day. It was a world away from school.

AFTER supper, it was folders out, letters read, chats about school, homework looked at and discussed and reading books read. If a letter had some niggle or problem, rather like Arpig, we'd have a chat about it and pop in to have a chat with their teacher the very next day. These people had my children all day from the age of 4 yrs old....we NEEDED to be in close touch. We had to know and understand each other to get the best outcome for MY children. They weren't there to babysit them, they were doing their job and it was up to ME to ensure my children did THEIR job.

I may be a parent, and a *teacher* of my OWN children but I am not a teacher in a classroom with the responsibility of ensuring that 24 children (sometimes more) all get the attention they need with their varying abilities and achieve their best.  There were children that were a constant disruption and frankly, even if it's dealt with in a sensible, patient manner, it's STILL time taken out of the other children's lesson and education.

Sometimes it's a problem that parents ought address and sometimes it's an issue that may be classroom based.....either way, no-one is doing the child any favours by blowing up one incident.

By 3yrs old, children actually DO know what's expected of them, IF they are told and supported..by 7yrs, there's NO doubt they do.

By the same token, teachers aren't infallable either, and some are pretty jaded, some are even awkward..and half of the time, I can understand why....other times, less so.

The best outcome would probably have been that the lad saw his Mummy/Daddy and teacher working together to help HIM.

You CAN actually disapprove of a teacher's actions and deal with it, without having TV coverage. I suspect her son will have lost an opportunity to learn some very important lessons in life from either teacher/school or his own mother.

The whole thing has poo all over it.

agirl








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