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agirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 2:04:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee We are talking about a 2nd grader. The incident will be forgotten by classmates in a week, tops. A 7th grader would be a different story. Bullshit. I was humiliated in kindergarten because the teacher didn't believe I could read. She said she didn't allow liars in her classroom. I was so embarassed I was unable to read in class when they started teaching the other students to read. I would get scared and freeze up. So the school thought I had a reading deficiency and stuck me in special ed. I had no problems reading there since the risk of humiliation didn't exist. When I was in the 3rd grade, they decided to test me to check my progress. According to the test results, I could read at 10th grade level. Of course, they took me out of special ed at that point, but the damage was done. I was bullied on a daily basis because I had been in special ed. The bullying continued for years until I dropped out of school. For years, I refused to attend college because I was terrified of public speaking, a required course. The point I'm trying to make is, humiliation does lead to bullying and an inferiority complex. I know from personal experience. No, humiliation CAN lead to it. That's your experience: it's not going to be everyone's, by any stretch of the imagination. agirl

NocturnalStalker -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 2:12:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee We are talking about a 2nd grader. The incident will be forgotten by classmates in a week, tops. A 7th grader would be a different story. Bullshit. I was humiliated in kindergarten because the teacher didn't believe I could read. She said she didn't allow liars in her classroom. I was so embarassed I was unable to read in class when they started teaching the other students to read. I would get scared and freeze up. So the school thought I had a reading deficiency and stuck me in special ed. I had no problems reading there since the risk of humiliation didn't exist. When I was in the 3rd grade, they decided to test me to check my progress. According to the test results, I could read at 10th grade level. Of course, they took me out of special ed at that point, but the damage was done. I was bullied on a daily basis because I had been in special ed. The bullying continued for years until I dropped out of school. For years, I refused to attend college because I was terrified of public speaking, a required course. The point I'm trying to make is, humiliation does lead to bullying and an inferiority complex. I know from personal experience. I saw a situation unfold in grade school to a fellow student. He was timid in personality but still socialized and was nice, until one day in Grade 1 when the witch of a teacher gave him such a huge yelling (for incorrectly cutting shapes out and ruining his project) that he became terrified of the woman. Developed a stutter from there and could not get along with most people for years until high-school where he was with one of the more "outcast" groups. I've no idea what happened to him since, but he will most likely carry that over to his adult life now. So I have to smirk when I read all this macho "get thick skin" bullshit.

Icarys -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 2:26:57 PM)
It has nothing to do with macho..It has to do with a difference of opinion.. Could you please stop trying to bully me with your words? I'm gonna tell mom and she'll give you milk and cookies and tell you what a naughty boy you've been. Then you'll know what's up..won't ya!

NocturnalStalker -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 2:31:37 PM)
It wouldn't be the first time a female has told me how naughty I've been.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 2:36:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee We are talking about a 2nd grader. The incident will be forgotten by classmates in a week, tops. A 7th grader would be a different story. Bullshit. I was humiliated in kindergarten because the teacher didn't believe I could read. She said she didn't allow liars in her classroom. I was so embarassed I was unable to read in class when they started teaching the other students to read. I would get scared and freeze up. So the school thought I had a reading deficiency and stuck me in special ed. I had no problems reading there since the risk of humiliation didn't exist. When I was in the 3rd grade, they decided to test me to check my progress. According to the test results, I could read at 10th grade level. Of course, they took me out of special ed at that point, but the damage was done. I was bullied on a daily basis because I had been in special ed. The bullying continued for years until I dropped out of school. For years, I refused to attend college because I was terrified of public speaking, a required course. The point I'm trying to make is, humiliation does lead to bullying and an inferiority complex. I know from personal experience. I saw a situation unfold in grade school to a fellow student. He was timid in personality but still socialized and was nice, until one day in Grade 1 when the witch of a teacher gave him such a huge yelling (for incorrectly cutting shapes out and ruining his project) that he became terrified of the woman. Developed a stutter from there and could not get along with most people for years until high-school where he was with one of the more "outcast" groups. I've no idea what happened to him since, but he will most likely carry that over to his adult life now. So I have to smirk when I read all this macho "get thick skin" bullshit. It happened to me and you saw it happen to one of your classmates. I wonder how many others experienced similar situations. Schools are getting tougher on students getting bullied by peers and that's a good thing. But something also needs to be done about teachers bullying students that aren't old enough to know how to defend themselves. Teachers humiliating students in front of their peers should be grounds for immediate dismissal as well as permanently revoking their licenses.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 2:39:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: agirl No, humiliation CAN lead to it. That's your experience: it's not going to be everyone's, by any stretch of the imagination. agirl Is it worth the risk?

Icarys -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 2:46:04 PM)
quote: It happened to me and you saw it happen to one of your classmates. I wonder how many others experienced similar situations. Schools are getting tougher on students getting bullied by peers and that's a good thing. But something also needs to be done about teachers bullying students that aren't old enough to know how to defend themselves. Teachers humiliating students in front of their peers should be grounds for immediate dismissal as well as permanently revoking their licenses. Wasn't there a thread recently about a teacher that started a blog about all the nasty kids and parents she has had to deal with? I don't think you have the first clue how hard it is for teachers who's hands are tied in every direction by government and parents all the while trying to teach those little snot nosed fuckers a little something. Life isn't a sweet leisurely walk through the daisy fields.. We've all had it rough as children. I'm sure of that despite what some would lead you to believe. You can't get through life unscathed nor should you I don't think. Is discipline suppose to be a trip to MD's for a happy meal and an ice cream cone? Some of you I don't think got near enough discipline.

rick1283 -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 2:49:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: agirl quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee We are talking about a 2nd grader. The incident will be forgotten by classmates in a week, tops. A 7th grader would be a different story. Bullshit. I was humiliated in kindergarten because the teacher didn't believe I could read. She said she didn't allow liars in her classroom. I was so embarassed I was unable to read in class when they started teaching the other students to read. I would get scared and freeze up. So the school thought I had a reading deficiency and stuck me in special ed. I had no problems reading there since the risk of humiliation didn't exist. When I was in the 3rd grade, they decided to test me to check my progress. According to the test results, I could read at 10th grade level. Of course, they took me out of special ed at that point, but the damage was done. I was bullied on a daily basis because I had been in special ed. The bullying continued for years until I dropped out of school. For years, I refused to attend college because I was terrified of public speaking, a required course. The point I'm trying to make is, humiliation does lead to bullying and an inferiority complex. I know from personal experience. No, humiliation CAN lead to it. That's your experience: it's not going to be everyone's, by any stretch of the imagination. agirl This is true. You know, when I was in kindergarten, I wasn't exactly well behaved... at all. And oftentimes, that would lead to punishment. Most common was sitting in the front of the class and having to watch quietly as everyone else did some fun activity. Fast forward to middle school and standardized tests. I never tested with my class. I was always moved to a "special" group, because I was easily distracted, but my scores were high while I wasn't, and EVEY one knew that that was where a lot of the mentally deficient kids tested, for similar reasons. What we didn't know at the time, was the reason I was in there, all we knew is that I was testing with the "retards." Yeah, I got made fun of a bit, and I didn't like it at all. But in my case, people grew up and dropped it. Now, while I don't have many friends, I AM respected among my peers. That whole thing is never even brought up anymore unless jokingly.

Icarys -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 2:51:38 PM)
quote: This is true. You know, when I was in kindergarten, I wasn't exactly well behaved... at all. And oftentimes, that would lead to punishment. Most common was sitting in the front of the class and having to watch quietly as everyone else did some fun activity. Well that had to be really humiliating..shame on that teacher.

rick1283 -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 2:55:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: This is true. You know, when I was in kindergarten, I wasn't exactly well behaved... at all. And oftentimes, that would lead to punishment. Most common was sitting in the front of the class and having to watch quietly as everyone else did some fun activity. Well that had to be really humiliating..shame on that teacher. Haha, to kindergarten me, it was! But I'm glad she did it. It taught me a good many lessons that would have been even more embarrassing later.

agirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 2:59:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee We are talking about a 2nd grader. The incident will be forgotten by classmates in a week, tops. A 7th grader would be a different story. Bullshit. I was humiliated in kindergarten because the teacher didn't believe I could read. She said she didn't allow liars in her classroom. I was so embarassed I was unable to read in class when they started teaching the other students to read. I would get scared and freeze up. So the school thought I had a reading deficiency and stuck me in special ed. I had no problems reading there since the risk of humiliation didn't exist. When I was in the 3rd grade, they decided to test me to check my progress. According to the test results, I could read at 10th grade level. Of course, they took me out of special ed at that point, but the damage was done. I was bullied on a daily basis because I had been in special ed. The bullying continued for years until I dropped out of school. For years, I refused to attend college because I was terrified of public speaking, a required course. The point I'm trying to make is, humiliation does lead to bullying and an inferiority complex. I know from personal experience. I saw a situation unfold in grade school to a fellow student. He was timid in personality but still socialized and was nice, until one day in Grade 1 when the witch of a teacher gave him such a huge yelling (for incorrectly cutting shapes out and ruining his project) that he became terrified of the woman. Developed a stutter from there and could not get along with most people for years until high-school where he was with one of the more "outcast" groups. I've no idea what happened to him since, but he will most likely carry that over to his adult life now. So I have to smirk when I read all this macho "get thick skin" bullshit. It happened to me and you saw it happen to one of your classmates. I wonder how many others experienced similar situations. Schools are getting tougher on students getting bullied by peers and that's a good thing. But something also needs to be done about teachers bullying students that aren't old enough to know how to defend themselves. Teachers humiliating students in front of their peers should be grounds for immediate dismissal as well as permanently revoking their licenses. Anyone can humiliate another person, child or not, and NOT have planned or desired to. It's not as simple as dismissing teachers that have offended, upset or humiliated pupils. There has to be a RATIONAL over-view and you'd have to discover intent, ie You're deliberately singling my child out as opposed to * My child was upset that he got told off. Well, not a single child of mine was fine with being told off, they all hated it and it upset them all. Being told to Be QUIET* in front of the whole school was embarrassing but if you're chittering and chattering, as a 7yr old in the WRONG circumstances, it's hardly the fault of the adults in charge of the situation...unless they stood up and damned you to eternal hell in some bizarre scene. There are ways and ways of dealing with situations and if adults get it wrong sometimes, you can bet your sweet bippy children do. You seem to be talking about a kid that was called a liar that had no parental support..because IF you could read , surely your Mum and Dad could have/would have supported that. The missing element in your story is your parents. School is only part of a child's life. agirl

defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 3:01:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys I don't think you have the first clue how hard it is for teachers who's hands are tied in every direction by government and parents all the while trying to teach those little snot nosed fuckers a little something. My grandmother was a school teacher before she got married, which is probably why I knew how to read before I started kindergarten. She taught several grades in one classroom. Now that takes talent. She had students with behavior problems too and was able to successfully solve the problem herself without resorting to corporal punishment or humiliation. She told me she NEVER struck or humiliated a student.

Icarys -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 3:01:27 PM)
quote: Well, not a single child of mine was fine with being told off, they all hated it and it upset them all. Being told to Be QUIET in front of the whole school was embarrassing but if you're chittering and chattering, as a 7yr old in the WRONG circumstances, it's hardly the fault of the adults in charge of the situation...unless they stood up and damned you to eternal hell in some bizarre scene. Bingo.

Icarys -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 3:04:29 PM)
quote: She told me she NEVER struck or humiliated a student. Bullshit..That isn't possible. Read agirls post.

rick1283 -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 3:11:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: She told me she NEVER struck or humiliated a student. Bullshit..That isn't possible. Read agirls post. Last I checked, there was a difference between being humiliated and being embarrassed. Does it still apply? Or did I miss the memo?

Aylee -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 3:13:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee We are talking about a 2nd grader. The incident will be forgotten by classmates in a week, tops. A 7th grader would be a different story. Bullshit. I was humiliated in kindergarten because the teacher didn't believe I could read. She said she didn't allow liars in her classroom. I was so embarassed I was unable to read in class when they started teaching the other students to read. I would get scared and freeze up. So the school thought I had a reading deficiency and stuck me in special ed. I had no problems reading there since the risk of humiliation didn't exist. When I was in the 3rd grade, they decided to test me to check my progress. According to the test results, I could read at 10th grade level. Of course, they took me out of special ed at that point, but the damage was done. I was bullied on a daily basis because I had been in special ed. The bullying continued for years until I dropped out of school. For years, I refused to attend college because I was terrified of public speaking, a required course. The point I'm trying to make is, humiliation does lead to bullying and an inferiority complex. I know from personal experience. Oh good grief. You are over 40. That means that this happened 35 plus years ago. I think that it is time and past time for you to climb off that cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it. Where were your parents? Your school teacher grandmother? You just suffered in silence like a good little martyr? You never changed schools? As in from elementary to junior high to high school? Shit happens when you are a kid. It builds character.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 3:14:23 PM)
It's not only possible, it's true. When I was old enough to explain what happened, how it made me feel, and my resulting fear she was outraged. I learned how she felt about teachers humiliating students. There's no way she did that. She was too opposed to it.

Icarys -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 3:17:57 PM)
quote: there was a difference between being humiliated and being embarrassed. Based on an individuals perspective they may be interchangeable. The note on the shirt was what I would call embarrassed but his mother saw it as humiliating.

Icarys -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 3:21:17 PM)
quote: It's not only possible, it's true. When I was old enough to explain what happened, how it made me feel, and my resulting fear she was outraged. I learned how she felt about teachers humiliating students. There's no way she did that. She was too opposed to it. Right and I suppose she stopped to ask every child along the way how they felt about what she had just done too. How would she know she did if a child hushed up and didn't say something, To me it's an impossibility. No child I've ever seen has gone through life without feeling those things. Then there's the chance that granny was being hypocritical in saying that.

Icarys -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 3:28:02 PM)
Just curious here..Did all of that sugar coating lovey dovey stuff help your outlook.. I mean are you naturally a good girl now? :) *looks at screen-nick [:D]

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