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joether -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/13/2011 11:42:52 AM)
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
Internal polls in Wisconsin fully support Scott Walker and the republicans. I was in Madison today having a guiness with 3 members of the state assembly. I might ad, republican members. Not to worry. The law will stand up to court challenges. The state budget in Wisconsin will finally be balanced'..
Are you going to cite those polls or do we just have to take your word for it?
You should know by know, that he's a conservative, and as such, unable to publish FACTS and EVIDENCE that is both VERIFIABLE and UNBIASED.
Now the REAL numbers....
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Rasmussen Reports
A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Wisconsin voters shows that just 39% favor weakening collective bargaining rights and 52% are opposed. At the same time, 44% support a 10% pay cut for all state workers. Thirty-eight percent (38%) are opposed. That’s partly because 27% of Wisconsin voters believe state workers are paid too much and 16% believe they are paid too little. Forty-nine percent (49%) believe the pay of state workers is about right.
That source does go on to give quite a far bit of insight into the mood of Wisconsin citizens. They even publish the exact questions that were asked; which is very important when releasing poll numbers.
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USATODAY
The poll found 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to such a proposal in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law.
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The Pew Research
"Roughly four-in-ten (42%) say they side more with the public employee unions, while 31% say they side more with the governor, Scott Walker..."
Further down the same page, is the caption entitled "Lower-Income People Side with Unions while the Affluent are Split". Those making over $75,000 a year are nearly evenly divided over siding with the Union verse Gov. Walker. Were as those making under $75,000/year are very heavily siding with Unions. Unsurprisingly Democrats favor Unions, and the GOP Gov. Walker. Independents however, are closed divided, with a mere 5% favoring Unions over Gov. Walker. Unless someone was over 65 years of age, they voted in favor of the Unions.
Whites were nearly evenly divided supporting/opposing Gov. Walker, with 2% more, favoring the Unions. Non-Whites however, side with Unions over three times as much as those who support Gov. Walker.
Still not convinced?
Go read the entire article on GALLUP.
There is simply to much information to properly show it here. The very end of it, entitled 'Bottom Line' I believe gives a good summary:
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As long as state governments can't print money, and their debt ratios are too high to continue borrowing, state lawmakers will be forced to consider raising taxes, cutting state programs, and reducing worker costs as three primary ways to balance their books. Americans don't love any of these choices, but cutting programs garners the least opposition, mainly because a solid majority of Republicans favor it. Raising taxes is the most unpopular, and is opposed by majorities of all party groups. Crafting budget policies that affect state workers may be especially difficult. The public isn't eager to see these fellow residents lose pay and benefits or union rights, but they aren't convinced unions are good for states either.
One aspect of public opinion on state employees not tested in the poll is whether Americans would rather see reduced pay and benefits for state workers or state program cuts that lead to major layoffs. This seems to be where the showdown in Wisconsin is heading, and may preview how budget battles will soon play out in state capitols across the country
So, servantforuse, where are those polls you say, that, and I quote from you "...fully support Scott Walker and the republicans"? They are unbiased and factual, right?
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