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joether -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 8:16:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse The senators who fled did not debate anything for 61 hours. That happened in the Assembly and not the Senate. They are separate bodies. If your correct, then.... If the Senate (the federal version) comes up with a law that strips the 2nd Amendment off 'the books'. Then, the House (federal version again) can NOT debate, discuss, argue, or even utter a word about it. Does that sound like something based on reality? Or the fantasy world you think you live in? While the arguement raged, those senators that hauled off to another state, did indeed weigh in on the matter. Several times. I'm sure tazzy can provide a few links that would support me.

Arpig -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 8:41:43 AM)
quote: did Wisconsin win or lose? Lose...without a doubt...but kudos to Dale Schultz though.

rulemylife -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 9:38:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant The argument about this being for the budget was long over? Why? Because the union said it was NOT about the budget? Sorry...they do not have the last word. As for going out on strike, I am sure they will have plenty of support...from other public employee unions, from Obama's Chicago team (way to go, Mr. President...support the unions and not the states. Show the people where your support comes from). Well, let me ask you something Doc. Your posts on here have always been more concerned with your own income than anything else. So why would you begrudge that to anyone else?

CreativeDominant -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 12:48:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EternalHoH quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant I'd like to know how those Republicans do not represent the people of their district...you know, the same ones who voted them in? I think they DO represent the people, but most of the people there are mentally fucked in the head, so the end result is rather comical. Have to love that about you leftists...anyone who is from the right is mentally deficient in some way through your eyes. Yet, most of those who have build the corporations from which the left gets the majority of its tax base from are conservatives from the right. Also have to LoVE the level of gracious civility being shown from you and others from the left in this discussion. Find me an instance where I resorted to questioning your mental faculties. quote: The people voted for a tea party candidate that ran on government non-intervention into business affairs, and those same people are now wanting their elected tea candidate to intervene and set wage controls on a public worker segment of the population - all because a growing number of taxpayers are increasingly finding themselves non-competitive in a global free market and unable to handle their share of the resulting tax burden. And he isn't interfering in business...he is interfering in the public sector, a sector controlled by the legislators---which happens to include the governor---and paid for by the taxpayers that the legislators represent. And no, it is not all because the taxpayers are unable to handle their "share"...it is because while those same taxpayers are having to give up more and more of their money to keep a job, they are are expected to bear the burden of higher taxes to pay for better benefits of those the taxpayer employs. Better benefits than many of the taxpayers themselves enjoy, along with higher wages than many of the taxpayers...the wage payers for the public sector...enjoy. They're weary of it. And the public sector employees have no right to expect it to continue at the rate they would like to see it at. quote: A guy that ran on a 'bankster bailout resentment' theme is now supposed to intervene, take away bargaining power, and effectively bail out those poor taxpayer types who were dumb enough to 'give it up' and lose ground to their boss man years ago and land themselves behind the 8-ball in the first place? Apparently, all that anger is not about the act of a bailout, but who receives a bailout. Again...why should the public sector be the only sector of the economy that continues at the same rate as they've been enjoying? Especially a portion of the public sector who, if they were private citizens, would have been fired due to poor performance within their jobs. While you may depend on the taxpayer for your wages, there is no "right" to continue digging into that taxpayer. quote: Rich thinks that status as a taxpayer is all that is needed to ensure that smart people in the public sector never exceed the pay and bennies of the dumbest guy in the private sector - because that dumbest guy is the lowest common denominator among the bill payers. In his mind, taxpayer status trumps free markets. Wake me up from your bizarro world. There is no truly free market. We have the closest thing to it...but even ours is not. And those teachers are ALLLLLLLLLLLLL free to leave the public sector, take their degrees and put them to use in the private market. Anytime. I don't see a huge bunch of them doing that though...do you? And taxpayer status IS the result of free markets. Public sector employees are the triumph of the government over free markets. And if you don't think so, tell me why public school teachers and the progressives in the government are so dead set against scholastic choice. What a massive attempt at Obama-esque "social engineering of equality", resulting in an overall lower standard for everyone, being carried out by the tea-elected guy. Holy fuckin Christ, what kind of 'free market' guys are you? Where the hell is your 'invisible hand'? Presently wrist deep up your ass? We are free market guys who believe that a person should be retained in their job because of the job they do, not because of their seniority. We are free-market guys who believe that pay should be based on performance, not on seniority or levels, such as that set by the government on their civil service employees. Despite your contortions at presenting this as "social engineering of equality", it is merely a legislator doing what those who elected him wanted him to do...bring the budget down. He is doing so by going after an area too long considered sacrosanct...government union workers.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 12:53:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Something else thgat will affect the elections is that Obama isnt real popular among most groups polled, even many Dems, and his dismal performance is a huge part of the voter frustrations that swept so many Republicans into power. And last time I checked, Obama was still in office, leading leftists into their worst downward spiral in recent memory. Nonsense as usual. Obama's approval ratings have consistently been in the high 40% to low 50% range. And just dropped to 37%. And we know they are inflated by at least several percent because of the nearly monolithic approval from Blacks.

EternalHoH -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 1:02:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant .it is because while those same taxpayers are having to give up more and more of their money to keep a job, they are are expected to bear the burden of higher taxes to pay for better benefits of those the taxpayer employs. The taxpayer does not 'employ'. The taxpayer funds, the government 'employs'. The government can, and will, do things that the taxpayer disagrees with. quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Better benefits than many of the taxpayers themselves enjoy, along with higher wages than many of the taxpayers...the wage payers for the public sector...enjoy. They're weary of it. <snip> And those teachers are ALLLLLLLLLLLLL free to leave the public sector, take their degrees and put them to use in the private market. I see how you conclude that if the public sector guy is disappointed, they can take their degrees and leave. But you also argue that when the private sector taxpayer is disappointed, they shouldn't be required to pick up and leave, and should be afforded 'relief' right where they are. That's double standard bullshit. Nice try, tho. You keep doing this 'woe is the taxpayer' act. But every damn one of them is free to make their own choices in life to raise their income. Simply because most of them sit on their asses and don't do anything isn't the fault of the public employee with cadillac benefits. In your version of capitalism, the public guys are expected to lower their standards to fit within the 'grief' of the lazy and uneducated asses. What a plan you have there. Did Marx or Obama come up with it? But, yes, I know, in your world, bowing to the limited taxpaying capabilities of those who are too lazy to get off their own rat treadmill is simply 'contorting the issues'. Taxpaying couch potatoes and risk avoiders are supposed to be awash in wealth, right? Sometimes, I wonder how this country ever grew among those who think like you.

mnottertail -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 1:08:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Something else thgat will affect the elections is that Obama isnt real popular among most groups polled, even many Dems, and his dismal performance is a huge part of the voter frustrations that swept so many Republicans into power. And last time I checked, Obama was still in office, leading leftists into their worst downward spiral in recent memory. Nonsense as usual. Obama's approval ratings have consistently been in the high 40% to low 50% range. And just dropped to 37%. And we know they are inflated by at least several percent because of the nearly monolithic approval from Blacks. You should read up on this, I think you missed a bunch of stuff in school. Seems we gave black folk the right to vote sometime in the late 1800's...doesn't matter if they are monolitic, or not, they are voters, and there is no inflation to that reality. Now monolithic might be applied to such right wing haters as Fox, as Breitbart and Rush felchers and the Chamber of Commerce and so on.........

tazzygirl -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 1:19:27 PM)
quote: And just dropped to 37%. And we know they are inflated by at least several percent because of the nearly monolithic approval from Blacks. Rassmussen, 3/10/11... approval 47% In fact, there hasnt been a single Poll done with an approval of 37% since... I cant find one below 40 ... http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html As far as your 37% figure.... Oct 25, 2010... by Harris Poll. One poll in conflict with the rest just doesnt cut it as an authortative voice.

DomKen -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 1:28:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Something else thgat will affect the elections is that Obama isnt real popular among most groups polled, even many Dems, and his dismal performance is a huge part of the voter frustrations that swept so many Republicans into power. And last time I checked, Obama was still in office, leading leftists into their worst downward spiral in recent memory. Nonsense as usual. Obama's approval ratings have consistently been in the high 40% to low 50% range. And just dropped to 37%. And we know they are inflated by at least several percent because of the nearly monolithic approval from Blacks. You seem to be off by 10 points. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 2:12:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster "According to the Pew study, Wisconsin had about $77 billion in total pension liabilities in 2008. But according to that same Pew study, those liabilities were 99.67 percent "funded," giving Wisconsin one of the four-highest of such ratios in the nation. Other states had funding ratios as low as 54 percent. For comparison, expert analysts and the Government Accountability Office consider an 80 percent level to be a good benchmark for pension fund stability, while Fitch Ratings considers 70 percent adequate. When you rely on HuffPo for your information you should be a little more careful. They conveniently used data as of Fiscal 2008...which ended before the market declines that averaged about -30% for most funds.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 2:13:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: NewOCDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Only for public unions taz. Wisconsin wins. And they didnt lose their rigth to bargain over wages. More lies from Dizzygirl. Hi wontbe Another new nic, I see. tsk tsk I was going to come on this morning and post about how well I thought this discussion went last night.... no name calling... very little snarks... then I come across yours. Such a disappointment to see it could not continue... but completely expected when you enter a thread. There was no snark at all. Love, wouldntwannabe.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 2:16:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Something else thgat will affect the elections is that Obama isnt real popular among most groups polled, even many Dems, and his dismal performance is a huge part of the voter frustrations that swept so many Republicans into power. And last time I checked, Obama was still in office, leading leftists into their worst downward spiral in recent memory. Nonsense as usual. Obama's approval ratings have consistently been in the high 40% to low 50% range. And just dropped to 37%. And we know they are inflated by at least several percent because of the nearly monolithic approval from Blacks. You seem to be off by 10 points. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html You use your sources, I'll use mine. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 37% of Likely U.S. Voters now say the president is doing a good or excellent job as a leader. Forty percent (40%) rate his performance as poor. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

tazzygirl -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 2:16:24 PM)
When are you going to settle on one nic? This is the third you have toated out.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 2:20:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl When are you going to settle on one nic? This is the third you have toated out. And edited to delete.

tazzygirl -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 2:23:58 PM)
quote: You use your sources, I'll use mine. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 37% of Likely U.S. Voters now say the president is doing a good or excellent job as a leader. Forty percent (40%) rate his performance as poor. (To see survey question wording, click here.) Dated Feb 23. So much for "new". quote: A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 37% of Likely U.S. Voters now say the president is doing a good or excellent job as a leader. Forty percent (40%) rate his performance as poor And yet 23% are missing from those figures. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/february_2011/obama_s_leadership_ratings_fall_to_a_new_low quote: Overall, 47% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty-two percent (52%) disapprove . http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll March 10.

tazzygirl -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 2:25:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl When are you going to settle on one nic? This is the third you have toated out. And edited to delete. Deleted after you were busted in it.

truckinslave -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 2:25:48 PM)
quote: I'm speaking about the folks who are just now waking up to the fact that they voted for the wrong person in office. That does happen, and it may happen to Walker; but it's a far greater phenomenon for 0bama0.

mnottertail -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 2:27:35 PM)
Ja, I see alot of nutsuckers who couldn't draw a crowd of three having a run, or is there somebody I don't know about?

truckinslave -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 2:31:08 PM)
Aren't you one of the poll-illiterate who predicted the Dims would keep the House?

Charles6682 -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/10/2011 2:40:52 PM)
The fact that this could happen in Wisconsin means,this can happen in almost any other state.Rest assured,this is only the beginning for the teabaggers.

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