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CreativeDominant -> RE: Wisconsin loses collective bargaining (3/11/2011 7:24:51 AM)
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ORIGINAL: EternalHoH
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
.it is because while those same taxpayers are having to give up more and more of their money to keep a job, they are are expected to bear the burden of higher taxes to pay for better benefits of those the taxpayer employs.
The taxpayer does not 'employ'. The taxpayer funds, the government 'employs'. The government can, and will, do things that the taxpayer disagrees with. And the government IS the taxpayer. Without his money, the government doesn't happen at all.
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Better benefits than many of the taxpayers themselves enjoy, along with higher wages than many of the taxpayers...the wage payers for the public sector...enjoy. They're weary of it.
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And those teachers are ALLLLLLLLLLLLL free to leave the public sector, take their degrees and put them to use in the private market.
I see how you conclude that if the public sector guy is disappointed, they can take their degrees and leave. But you also argue that when the private sector taxpayer is disappointed, they shouldn't be required to pick up and leave, and should be afforded 'relief' right where they are.
That's double standard bullshit. Nice try, tho. No...no double standard. Anyone in the private sector should...if they do not like their job or their benefits...is free to, and should, leave their job and seek a better one elsewhere. BUT...when the discontent in their job has nothing to do with their wages or benefits but rather in how much of their wages and benefits are CUT because of the portion of them that must go over to pay the tax that allows payment of someone else's benefits, they have the right to ask for relief from that tax.
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You keep doing this 'woe is the taxpayer' act. But every damn one of them is free to make their own choices in life to raise their income. Raise their income simply so they can better afford to pay for Cadillac benefits for others? Why?quote:
Simply because most of them sit on their asses and don't do anything isn't the fault of the public employee with cadillac benefits. Nor is it the fault of these workers that the main reason that many in the public sector went into the public sector was for the retirement and health benefits...paid for by others, certainly not by themselves.quote:
In your version of capitalism, the public guys are expected to lower their standards to fit within the 'grief' of the lazy and uneducated asses. Seriously? Is that what all of us in the private sector are? Lazy? Uneducated? Geeeeeeeee, I can't imagine why people would begin to resent paying for benefits for people with an attitude like that.quote:
What a plan you have there. Did Marx or Obama come up with it? Actually, the public sector's plan more closely resembles that of Marx...from each according to their abilities (the private workers do the jobs that pay for the benefits), to each according to their needs (the public sector workers need to have better health care and retirements than the private workers...they educated the "lazy, uneducated asses'" children).
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But, yes, I know, in your world, bowing to the limited taxpaying capabilities of those who are too lazy to get off their own rat treadmill is simply 'contorting the issues'. Taxpaying couch potatoes and risk avoiders are supposed to be awash in wealth, right? Talk about contortion. Even if someone chooses to stay in the lowest-paying job possible, that is HIS/HER choice. That STILL does not give the public sector union people the right to CONTROL what portion of that worker's money goes over to the public sector worker.
You've yet to see me or many on this thread call public sector workers lazy but what are they? Rather than go out and search for a living where the great majority of their benefits and their retirement packages are paid for by them, they go to work in an area where it is covered by other workers.
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Sometimes, I wonder how this country ever grew among those who think like you. It grew precisely because of the work of people like me and others who did not expect others to pay our way. One way it began to slow down in growth was when public union workers began to expect a better retirement and health benefit package than most that can be found in the private sector.
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