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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 5:40:01 PM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		Hey Benji,

Thank you for your post.  I appreciate your words.  I can understand where you are coming from, also.  If you go to the "It's all about me" thread and see my 2nd to the last post (at least I think that's the one), you will see I sort of although slightly differently agree and relate to what you have said here.

"True," to me...means genuine and sincere.  It means I am not reckless and inconsiderate and careless of another's emotions.  You set out to submit.  In doing so, your submission is genuine but you get something out of it, also.  Am I correct in understanding that?  Or...are you saying you don't give a damn about the Dominant or her feelings, so long as you get what you want out of it?

I think that's the difference.  I think you were saying the former, not the latter.  I don't think the former describes a player.

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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 5:40:22 PM   
PlayfulOne


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            alone and bitter,  you just can't seem to figure out thats not attractive

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< Message edited by PlayfulOne -- 5/14/2006 5:43:17 PM >

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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 5:40:48 PM   
crouchingtigress


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Status: offline 		So you are saying the sub standard is sub standard?
 
lol sorry I cant help myself sometimes...



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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 5:45:00 PM   
michaelGA2


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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 5:49:46 PM   
JohnWarren


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ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne

so do I Michael, 

           alone and bitter,  you just can't seem to figure out thats not attractive

K


He could probably benefit from reading George Satayana. "Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim."

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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 5:52:00 PM   
gooddogbenji


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Or...are you saying you don't give a damn about the Dominant or her feelings, so long as you get what you want out of it?

I think that's the difference.  I think you were saying the former, not the latter.  I don't think the former describes a player.



Quick explanation: My entire post was somewhat fictional.  I don't consider myself to be real or true, or any of that.  I am what I am, like it or not.  I was not looking for people to approve or disapprove.

Now, I think that may be an important distinction - does the person care about the other's feelings.  However, I feel that here, often, no attempt is made to make that distinction.  But on the whole, I think we're on the same page.

I just think that, rather than saying "I'm looking for a true sub," someone could say "I'm looking for a sub who realizes that this is a two way street, and that my expectations are:...  The expectations of yours I will indulge you in are:........," or something less condescending to people who don't fit their exact criteria.

Just my opinion, and I think we see it similarily anyway.

Yours,


benji

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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 5:57:45 PM   
PlayfulOne


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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Or...are you saying you don't give a damn about the Dominant or her feelings, so long as you get what you want out of it?

I think that's the difference.  I think you were saying the former, not the latter.  I don't think the former describes a player.



Quick explanation: My entire post was somewhat fictional.  I don't consider myself to be real or true, or any of that.  I am what I am, like it or not.  I was not looking for people to approve or disapprove.

Now, I think that may be an important distinction - does the person care about the other's feelings.  However, I feel that here, often, no attempt is made to make that distinction.  But on the whole, I think we're on the same page.

I just think that, rather than saying "I'm looking for a true sub," someone could say "I'm looking for a sub who realizes that this is a two way street, and that my expectations are:...  The expectations of yours I will indulge you in are:........," or something less condescending to people who don't fit their exact criteria.

Just my opinion, and I think we see it similarily anyway.

Yours,


benji


Benji,  calm now or someones going to want to put a shock collar on you.

K

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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 5:59:16 PM   
PlayfulOne


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ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne

so do I Michael, 

          alone and bitter,  you just can't seem to figure out thats not attractive

K


He could probably benefit from reading George Satayana. "Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim."


John ,

He could benfit from a lot of things, unfortunately for him,  he would rather throw self absorbed pity parties.

K

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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 6:00:19 PM   
gooddogbenji


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Status: offline 		Wait.  That was as calm as I've ever been.  Do I have anger issues I don't know about?

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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 6:03:55 PM   
MistressLorelei


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this is very ture as the "true" Mistresses have left and the money-grubbers have taken over. Seems it's turned into a "No pay- no play" site


My sarcasm was wasted on you I think.    Who will define 'true' or 'real'... it's really kind of subjective don't you think?  It's not a no pay no play site... It's a free site full of  human beings.. and like everywhere else you look in our world... some people want to rip you off, some people are really good at what they do and make a career out of it, and some are here trying to find other real people to share common interests or to find a soul mate.  Lighten up... I doubt chronic complaining is high on the list of what people anywhere are looking for.

quote:


i just call them as i see them



Every time you call anything (here anyway) as you see it, it's often a negative blanket statement directed at those of us who share these boards with you....  we aren't all bad, but when you seek negativity, it's all you will find.

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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 6:04:31 PM   
PlayfulOne


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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 6:07:45 PM   
sweetnsensual200


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Status: offline 		honestly i don't think it's about "true"-ness.  or maybe it is.  i think it's about this:

a quote from the movie Gia, where the wonderful Angelina starred in. 

"...love, that was the hard thing to find.  and even if you were looking for it--which most people weren't--how could you see it with all this sex in the way?"

although i do have faith (for some damn unknown reason) and i do think it's possible to find Y/your O/one on this site or online in general, i do also have a practical side and have to admit, things online are hard.  on a site like this, think about it.

a) many are only looking for kinky sex and may or may not fall into the category of "true" or "real" Dom/mes or subs/slaves.
b) distance is always an issue which can sometimes be overcomed, sometimes not.
c) when you get so many people in one place with so many different likes, it takes a long time to wade through the crowd to find someone who suits your tastes and ideals (as everyone is different and intrepretes things differently and wants different things, etc, etc).

so back to the main question Sam presented earlier.  Are there true subs on this site?  i do believe do.  i like to think that in my own way (if indeed not in someone else's way) i am "true" and "real" but i might not be to every single person on this site.  i also think that a lot of the good ones have been snatched up.  Sad...but true.  and although i'm happy for those that have been fortunate--especially as what i'm sure had to have been a long search--i can understand why some feel left out (as i sometimes do).  but, if those who are happy now after a long search, it gives me a little light at the end of the tunnel.

so yeah...patience, patience...glass is half full, light at the end of the tunnel and all that other optimistic crap. 

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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 6:09:44 PM   
gooddogbenji


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Status: offline 		Hey, I just call it as I see it, Playful.  I see it as a two way street.  'cept I'm a double wide camper attached to a tractor trailer, being pulled by a schoolbus. 

Try going in the other direction.  The sub always wins.

As to the shock collar...  *holds head up to make it easier to put it on*

Yours,


benji

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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 6:10:48 PM   
kittensmailbox


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Status: offline 		Is there ONE straight down the line definition of what a true sub should be?

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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 6:21:23 PM   
gooddogbenji


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Status: offline 		Yep, there is.  Now, that line is different for each person, but there is a line. lol

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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 7:28:03 PM   
Sinergy


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But on the condition that your whining, sniveling ass stops annoying us.



Hello A/all,

I am not sure I am overly interested in sending $1 to the charity for somebody I dont know to get a free plane ticket to fly to Ireland to be beaten.

Allowing somebody I dont know to alter my emotional state (i.e. annoying me) is not something I consider a very Domly (Domlily?  Dominaterlummy?) personality trait.

But again, that is just me and I could be wrong.

Sinergy

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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 7:44:41 PM   
truesub4u


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Status: offline 		As in other post... I've said it once.. I'll say it again..

I am not changing my name just because there are those that can't stand to see "True" or "Real" in a name and or profile. I'm true to me... and the one I serve.... and that's all that matters...

Owned... love your post on this subject... always have...

(and this isn't in response to no one.. I used fast reply.. so no one need not take it personally... unless seeing "True" in a name and or profile bothers you.... lol)

Oh and Happy Mothers Day to all the Mothers out there.... Have a safe and wonderful day.....


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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 8:00:30 PM   
ArchangelMichael


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ORIGINAL: kittensmailbox

Is there ONE straight down the line definition of what a true sub should be?


Yes. A true submissive is someone who is true to themselves. A true submissive is sincere in his or her desires, whatever they my be. The same is true for Dominants. As Miss Lorelei said, what is true is subjective. Each person has a different definition of "true" as each individual person's needs are different. Each Dom has an idea of what their "true" submissive is and every submissive has an idea of what their "true" Dominant is. But unless you are true to yourself and sincere about your desires, you really can't be anyone's idea of "true" anything.

Finding the right partner can be like trying to fit two puzzle pieces together. Each piece is right or true in their own right in regards to how it fits with the other pieces. But it isn't right for the pieces that don't fit with it. The challenge of any puzzle is to find which pieces are the right ones that fit together. I think all too often, people aren't being true to themselves about their own desires, thus they try to force themselves to connect with a piece they don't really fit with.


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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 9:12:32 PM   
michaelGA2


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Status: offline 		the only pity i have are for those who will never truly know me. i also hold some comtempt for some also...no names mentioned here

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RE: Where are all the true subs? - 5/14/2006 9:14:05 PM   
michaelGA2


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