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RE: Predators - 6/28/2011 3:56:06 PM   
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RE: Predators - 6/28/2011 3:59:05 PM   
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It's close enough to inherit the same issues though.  I'm just going by what he's told me so take that for whatever you think it's worth.

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RE: Predators - 6/28/2011 4:28:19 PM   
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LP, your OP was about predators, not "creepy guys". Creepy is very subjective, and to my mind, annoying at worst. Not the same thing at all.

Hib, the title reads "predators".  The content of the OP discusses both.  Labeling someone a predator not based on acts that fit the definition of predator, would be the heavier side of the scale.  Creepy might be the term used for the lighter end of the scale. 

Both Bear and Syl have presented situations where this can happen and is the way that I'm trying to examine this.  (Thanks to both for those contributions, by the way.)  Something like a speech impediment being a reason to label someone as either, which is the opposite of the smooth talking *real* predator or creepy guy, is what I'm attempting to pinpoint. 

Syl's example is great, too.  I've been in that very position, so I see very clearly where she's coming from.  (New group?  Play party in three weeks?  No prior structure, dungeon rules, etc, etc?)  From the look of the post, she was attempting to ensure a safe environment, and got unjustly labeled the exact thing she was trying to prevent.

I think these things are interesting to explore.


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RE: Predators - 6/28/2011 5:39:07 PM   
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The actions you describe; excessive stalking, Phone harassment, and abuse of public services as a form of harassment are all earmarks of nonviolent psychopathic behavior. I am surprised their aren't any mutilated animals.

Sociopath's are more passive aggressive with these things, and only then if they think you have wronged them. They don't generally go to such extremes, nor do they usually break the law as most of them prize their intelligence and use it to their benefit. Generally they play within the confines of the law ans bend it to suit their purposes.

Honestly most people do the same thing you are and categorize psychopaths a Sociopaths simply because they do not fully understand the psychology of them or because they share some of the same traits.




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RE: Predators - 6/28/2011 8:18:05 PM   
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Appalachia is its own "speshul" brand of Epic Fail from what I've heard.  My best friend is from eastern Kentucky and even he says it's a nightmare.

Appalachia is indeed special and there's enough "failure" in every state to go around. Just because your best friend hates KY doesn't make an entire huge area of the country "speshul" or a "failure." I'm sorry but that's a very bigoted statement. The millions of people who live there don't appreciate being lumped together under your negative labels, thanks. We get enough of that regularly for other "speshul" folks.........luci

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RE: Predators - 6/28/2011 8:20:46 PM   
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Appalachia is its own "speshul" brand of Epic Fail from what I've heard.  My best friend is from eastern Kentucky and even he says it's a nightmare.

Thanks for being so fucking bigoted.

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RE: Predators - 6/28/2011 8:23:41 PM   
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Appalachia is its own "speshul" brand of Epic Fail from what I've heard.  My best friend is from eastern Kentucky and even he says it's a nightmare.

Appalachia is indeed special and there's enough "failure" in every state to go around. Just because your best friend hates KY doesn't make an entire huge area of the country "speshul" or a "failure." I'm sorry but that's a very bigoted statement. The millions of people who live there don't appreciate being lumped together under your negative labels, thanks. We get enough of that regularly for other "speshul" folks.........luci


He's not ashamed of being from Kentucky but he's also not one to whitewash the negative traits of his home state.  And frankly, you're entirely too sensitive.  Get over it.

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RE: Predators - 6/28/2011 8:39:55 PM   
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Kentucky does indeed suck ass. And for the most part while there are a few cases of people who over come the stereotypes but for the most part its the same crap you see on Jerry Springer.

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RE: Predators - 6/28/2011 11:59:48 PM   
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Ya know this all sounds like High school drama... "did you hear about lilmiss noname I heard shes a real fill in the blank" The gossips and the backbiting is precisely why I don't attend those types of functions. It happens at all events where "clickish ppl" hang out. It's all about choices and I prefer not to hang out with ppl that "label" other folks.

Last time I checked we are all adults here. I don't need someone to tell me "be careful that persons is a "whatever" I can make that determination on my own.

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Surprisingly enough, most of the time I agree with your comments. This is not one of those times. Your post is the kind of thing someone says who has never had to deal with a predator, and doesn't have a clue how hard they are to spot and how much damage they can do before you realize you've been taken, badly.






Uh well letsee actually I have had not one but 2 stalker well actually 3 in my life. one for each kid on mine and one stalked me. <a pissed of hubby> Now see I was not one of those who waited for the cops thinking what can they do to help me....The way I dealt with them was simple and effective

Me and a couple of my boys went over to their homes and made it very clear to them that if they wanted to keep all of there body parts attached I better never hear from them again. Amazingly it worked.

Oddly enuff long story short. This guy threatened my nephew who is in his mid 30's. As my brother was telling me about it. I was like do we need to go talk to this punk and straighten him out. It didn't come to that but the moral of the story it. If you value what you hold dear. Don't mess with whats mine.

I'll be real clear here. I will go to jail protecting what's mine. No worries I'll be the one bringing a gun to the knife fight. So no I don't need any warnings I will protect whats mine.

If you go in with that kind of attitude you can deal with anything that life brings you.

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RE: Predators - 6/29/2011 12:12:35 AM   
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Ya know this all sounds like High school drama... "did you hear about lilmiss noname I heard shes a real fill in the blank" The gossips and the backbiting is precisely why I don't attend those types of functions. It happens at all events where "clickish ppl" hang out. It's all about choices and I prefer not to hang out with ppl that "label" other folks.

Last time I checked we are all adults here. I don't need someone to tell me "be careful that persons is a "whatever" I can make that determination on my own.

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I am fine with letting people form their own opinions. I have reached the point where I will not be silent when I see someone who doesnt know differently being taken in by those I KNOW are just not going to behave in acceptable ways. I don't make people's choices for them, but I am letting them know that there is history that I was privy to.

It's really easy for we dominants to say that we can use our own judgment.

And SailingBum? Some of our local charmers are very popular indeed. Makes their job easier.



Over the years I have meet or spoken with quite a few of the "locals" which is why I stay away.

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RE: Predators - 6/29/2011 5:13:51 AM   
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Ya know this all sounds like High school drama... "did you hear about lilmiss noname I heard shes a real fill in the blank" The gossips and the backbiting is precisely why I don't attend those types of functions. It happens at all events where "clickish ppl" hang out. It's all about choices and I prefer not to hang out with ppl that "label" other folks.

Last time I checked we are all adults here. I don't need someone to tell me "be careful that persons is a "whatever" I can make that determination on my own.

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Surprisingly enough, most of the time I agree with your comments. This is not one of those times. Your post is the kind of thing someone says who has never had to deal with a predator, and doesn't have a clue how hard they are to spot and how much damage they can do before you realize you've been taken, badly.






Uh well letsee actually I have had not one but 2 stalker well actually 3 in my life. one for each kid on mine and one stalked me. <a pissed of hubby> Now see I was not one of those who waited for the cops thinking what can they do to help me....The way I dealt with them was simple and effective

Me and a couple of my boys went over to their homes and made it very clear to them that if they wanted to keep all of there body parts attached I better never hear from them again. Amazingly it worked.

Oddly enuff long story short. This guy threatened my nephew who is in his mid 30's. As my brother was telling me about it. I was like do we need to go talk to this punk and straighten him out. It didn't come to that but the moral of the story it. If you value what you hold dear. Don't mess with whats mine.

I'll be real clear here. I will go to jail protecting what's mine. No worries I'll be the one bringing a gun to the knife fight. So no I don't need any warnings I will protect whats mine.

If you go in with that kind of attitude you can deal with anything that life brings you.

BadOne



That last statement is certainly one I agree with.

What you dealt with sounds to me like your basic asshole sociopath. Yes, they can be incredibly dangerous, b/c they do not have the organizational skills of the psychopath, and tend to have much less impulse control. But they are every bit as self serving and have complete and total disregard for the rights and feelings of others. Sure they can be predatory, but their poor impulse control and organizational skills lands them in jail often.

A psychopath, however, is charming and can fake emotion. They tend to be far more intelligent and can fly under the radar. This makes them even more dangerous, b/c they are hard to spot before it's too late. Even so called experts are routinely taken in by psychopaths. They are the true human predator, and if you get out with your life, you did good.






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RE: Predators - 6/29/2011 6:08:58 AM   
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The only time you are predator to me is if you lied from the moment we met or spoke, tried to be manipulative (not in the lifestyle element), tried to be controlling or abusive. Someone like myself who is seeking a switch I don't think that makes me a predator it makes me someone who wishes to explore the lifestyle who has at least the same mindset or intent even if it isn't completely 100% the same.

People will often twist anything they can to obtain whatever the point they are trying to make. I prefer to keep certain words in their perspective. Predator is one of them.



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RE: Predators - 6/29/2011 7:41:54 AM   
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The actions you describe; excessive stalking, Phone harassment, and abuse of public services as a form of harassment are all earmarks of nonviolent psychopathic behavior. I am surprised their aren't any mutilated animals.




The only reason why it's "nonviolent" is because he's in the US and I'm in the UK, that's my guess. It also makes matters more complicated as there were no threats to my safety or life, plus in Europe getting a phone without any form of ID is a bit more complicated, so the public services assumed that if somebody leaves a number and gives a name and address (all fake of course) it's not a prank call as the system works in a different way. Add to that the the police in the region from where the phones were bought isn't too keen to take on additional work and thinks since the bothering appears on our side of the pond, it's a problem for our police. It's fairly obvious who it is, only he never sent a threat by eMail so it is difficult to get his ID from his eMail provider as it is all just a "suspicion" and even law enforcement has to abide the law. There's CCTV footage of him buying one of the mobiles (which was luck, he usually keeps them a while and most shops erase their footage after a relative short period of time), so all professionals I have talked to agree that I'm not his first victim, but currently his fave victim. For about 2 years said person seemed to be fairly normal, then blew his gut when I disagreed about the usage of the N word, I consider it vile and racist, he disagreed and about a week later fun and games started.

As for mutilated animals, he reported me as a dog abuser, the RSPCA came to check and instead of the abused dog they heard about (apparently he had heard the whimpers through the phone and I had bragged how I beat her and burn her - yup, sounds like me, I must have used magic to make all those injuries disappear), they were asked in and found a happy dog cuddled up with 2 cats who showed no signs of abuse or fear, so they offered me another Dobie who went through several homes because people didn't understand the mentality of the breed and got annoyed by his high maintenance and abundance of energy and they wanted somebody who has one already to avoid him going through more homes, which is fairly traumatic for dogs. I think maybe there was a bit of karma at work as the boy has become a cherished fixture in our lives.

All I could do was connect the dots, and put each and every public service in touch with the police where I had already reported the harassment, and now wait until he makes a mistake or finds another victim he likes better... It's actually quite frustrating, even though I think I am fairly covered now as there is basically nothing left he could contact (he's a thorough bugger) and everybody knows about it, it's galling that I can do nothing but sit there and hope that he'll move on (btw I have not reacted to anything, done it all by the book, he got ZERO reaction out of me, so no encouragement), it makes you feel a bit weak, simply because you can't do a thing, apart from documenting and informing the police. I have to say that the Anti-Stalking group has been amazingly helpful, along with my doctor who understood the problem and we had a good chat about medication, she knows I'm not too much into antidepressants (for a while I was severely depressed and afraid to get up in the morning because I was worried what "prank" would be next), and it is quite galling to know that you were groomed as a victim, makes you feel damned stupid and to be honest, I wouldn't ever have thought that somebody will invest 2 or 3 years of "friendship" to then turn psycho.

Part of it was undoubtedly my own fault, I wasn't aware of some programs that will show the eMail address attached to social networks and profiles, so he could study my LinkedIn and FaceBook information (all hidden now and different email addresses used for them), the really funny thing is, he tried to tell others that in fact I am stalking him, maybe I was a bit unfair, but I cut each and every single person out who was a link as I didn't trust anybody anymore and didn't want to run the risk of anybody feeding him updates. Of course there is the chance that he might read this post, but you know, fuck it, what else can he do?

The tragic thing is when it happened and he was also spewing hate and lies, some women contacted me and told me they know how I feel, same thing happened to them but they were too worried to push it and contact the cops as they are nearer to him and he bragged about his contacts.

There's basically nothing you can do about it, sure if I could persuade some of the women, we could make a page and try and warn others, he would change his SN (for the record he's not from CM) or more likely play the offended upright dude who's harassed by those bitches...

So I am absolutely with Lady Hib, if you know that somebody is abusive or unsettled, don't let somebody else run into a knife, give them a bit of a warning and even if it is just to watch out for strange behaviour, and yes, hindsight is always 20/20 vision, there were some red flags which I had ignored or attributed to cultural differences...

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RE: Predators - 6/29/2011 10:11:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

Ya know this all sounds like High school drama... "did you hear about lilmiss noname I heard shes a real fill in the blank" The gossips and the backbiting is precisely why I don't attend those types of functions. It happens at all events where "clickish ppl" hang out. It's all about choices and I prefer not to hang out with ppl that "label" other folks.

Last time I checked we are all adults here. I don't need someone to tell me "be careful that persons is a "whatever" I can make that determination on my own.

BadOne


Surprisingly enough, most of the time I agree with your comments. This is not one of those times. Your post is the kind of thing someone says who has never had to deal with a predator, and doesn't have a clue how hard they are to spot and how much damage they can do before you realize you've been taken, badly.






Uh well letsee actually I have had not one but 2 stalker well actually 3 in my life. one for each kid on mine and one stalked me. <a pissed of hubby> Now see I was not one of those who waited for the cops thinking what can they do to help me....The way I dealt with them was simple and effective

Me and a couple of my boys went over to their homes and made it very clear to them that if they wanted to keep all of there body parts attached I better never hear from them again. Amazingly it worked.

Oddly enuff long story short. This guy threatened my nephew who is in his mid 30's. As my brother was telling me about it. I was like do we need to go talk to this punk and straighten him out. It didn't come to that but the moral of the story it. If you value what you hold dear. Don't mess with whats mine.

I'll be real clear here. I will go to jail protecting what's mine. No worries I'll be the one bringing a gun to the knife fight. So no I don't need any warnings I will protect whats mine.

If you go in with that kind of attitude you can deal with anything that life brings you.

BadOne


Your story reminds me of a friend who handled a stalker. The dude was calling, texting etc and noone in LE would do anything. Finally, the guy had the balls to leave a hunting knife on My friend's back porch.

Next night, My friend took the knife back and put it in the stalker's back porch with a 30-06 bullet beside it.

Problem solved.

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RE: Predators - 7/10/2011 5:11:38 PM   
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I am convinced that I met a female predator on another site that really freaked me out and made me throw in the towel for a time.We were to meet for a couple of drinks(her idea)and so I the uneasy newbie agreed.The day before we were to meet my car broke down and she live about 60 miles away so I texted her and told her I would have to cancel.She called me right back and called my every name!I told her we were just going to meet and get to know one another and she then told me no if I meet her for drinks then we were going to play.I ended up with several nasty phone messages from her after that .I dont know what you would call her but I felt at odds with her and the whole deal.Someone I trust did a little digging and sent me some pics posted on yahoo that were quite bloody, so all I can say is I am very cautious with new people. Would any of you think of her as a predatory type??

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RE: Predators - 7/10/2011 5:18:18 PM   
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RE: Predators - 7/10/2011 5:21:40 PM   
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I am convinced that I met a female predator on another site that really freaked me out and made me throw in the towel for a time.We were to meet for a couple of drinks(her idea)and so I the uneasy newbie agreed.The day before we were to meet my car broke down and she live about 60 miles away so I texted her and told her I would have to cancel.She called me right back and called my every name!I told her we were just going to meet and get to know one another and she then told me no if I meet her for drinks then we were going to play.I ended up with several nasty phone messages from her after that .I dont know what you would call her but I felt at odds with her and the whole deal.Someone I trust did a little digging and sent me some pics posted on yahoo that were quite bloody, so all I can say is I am very cautious with new people. Would any of you think of her as a predatory type??

That's not a predator.  That's called someone who told you off because you canceled a meet and wasted her time.  It's also exactly why I meet people at munches that I was planning to attend anyway.  That way, if the <cough> car breaks down, I didn't lose anything. 


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RE: Predators - 7/10/2011 5:57:48 PM   
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Even thou I let her know a day in advance??Sometimes life happens .All that over just meeting for drinks to get to know someone??

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RE: Predators - 7/10/2011 6:13:48 PM   
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All that over just meeting for drinks to get to know someone??
Yup. Some people have a very inflated sense of the value of their time.

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RE: Predators - 7/10/2011 6:30:24 PM   
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All that over just meeting for drinks to get to know someone??
Yup. Some people have a very inflated sense of the value of their time.

Double yep.  Did the woman prepare (as most of us do) to make a good first impression?  Stuff like getting her nails done or something of that nature?  Did she turn down the opportunity to meet somebody else because she had chosen to plan on meeting you? 

There are a lot of folks who consider it a waste of time when somebody doesn't follow through.  I happen to be one of the folks who will not give somebody a second chance at a first meet.


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