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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

I will tell you how it works.  Paying works $35.00 per hour to shovel asphalt is insane.  Are we receiving what we are being taxed for?  No.  We are also being taxed to support an illegal population that is larger than the total population of some countries, is that fair?  No.  We are also being taxed for incursions into countries where we do not have a vital national interest at stake.  Is that fair?  No. We are also being taxed to provide HUD housing, food stamps, utility credits, free bus passes and more for a population in this country that does not work, not even donning uniforms and picking up trash.  Is that fair?  No.  We pay lifetime pensions for people that worked 25 years.  Is that fair?  No. (Debate it all you like but 25 years of service should result in 25 years of pension.  Or perhaps there should be no pensions and only matching 401k's.  It is not my intention to cause this thread to jack knife into this tangent.)

Look...taxation is used to buy votes.  Is that fair?  No. 

We pay taxes in a myriad of different ways.  You libs can call for all of the taxation you like but it isn't going to slow down the debt clock that was posted in this thread.  In my little city along, there are 60 positions that receive full salaries that could be eliminated.  But that won't happen.  Nope...we will all continue to pay taxes to support the fraud, the corruption, the nepotism and to indemnify failure just like we have been doing since FDR was president.  The only difference now is that we ALL know that the United States is on the brink of financial ruin.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Actually it would be interesting to know what the actual percentage we pay in taxes is.
There's State, Federal, Social, Sales, Property, Gas, Cigarettes..How many more upfront and hidden are there?

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

I will tell you how it works.  Paying works $35.00 per hour to shovel asphalt is insane.  Are we receiving what we are being taxed for?  No.  We are also being taxed to support an illegal population that is larger than the total population of some countries, is that fair?  No.  We are also being taxed for incursions into countries where we do not have a vital national interest at stake.  Is that fair?  No. We are also being taxed to provide HUD housing, food stamps, utility credits, free bus passes and more for a population in this country that does not work, not even donning uniforms and picking up trash.  Is that fair?  No.  We pay lifetime pensions for people that worked 25 years.  Is that fair?  No. (Debate it all you like but 25 years of service should result in 25 years of pension.  Or perhaps there should be no pensions and only matching 401k's.  It is not my intention to cause this thread to jack knife into this tangent.)

Look...taxation is used to buy votes.  Is that fair?  No. 

We pay taxes in a myriad of different ways.  You libs can call for all of the taxation you like but it isn't going to slow down the debt clock that was posted in this thread.  In my little city along, there are 60 positions that receive full salaries that could be eliminated.  But that won't happen.  Nope...we will all continue to pay taxes to support the fraud, the corruption, the nepotism and to indemnify failure just like we have been doing since FDR was president.  The only difference now is that we ALL know that the United States is on the brink of financial ruin.

Question........ Which state has the highest government subsidies per capita ?  I`m not even American but I wasn`t suprised at the answer. Seems to me those who knock taxes the most also gain the most.

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Actually it would be interesting to know what the actual percentage we pay in taxes is.
There's State, Federal, Social, Sales, Property, Gas, Cigarettes..How many more upfront and hidden are there?

You really have to factor in all of it.

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Oh, I am sure it pales in comparision to Bell.. a city manager that was paid twice the US President is. Aint that a hoot, if it werent so friggin sad..

"In this city of fewer than 40,000 — 90 percent Latino, with an income well below the national average — the tiny political class took advantage of the residents' lack of civic engagement to create a slop-filled public trough for elites while cutting services and laying off workers.

Thanks to the Los Angeles Times, the public learned that city manager Robert Rizzo was making nearly $800,000, or twice that of the president of the United States, while his deputy was paid $376,000. Police Chief Randy Adams was pulling in $457,000, 50 percent more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck."

http://www.laweekly.com/2010-07-29/news/city-of-bell-corruption/

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

What the hell are you getting at?  Be specific.  Look...anyone who knocks taxes is going to gain in their reduction, aren't they?  If we reduce taxes, those of us who pay taxes will have more money.  Isn't that BASIC?  If we do a flat tax and a federal income tax, SCORES OF MILLIONS of people in the U.S. will pay for the first time.  (I know...some nitwit is going to say "Not for the first time, they pay taxes on gasoline and that goes to the federal government. Right?  One of you airheads was thinking that VERY thing, weren't you.  Well...you do nothing to advance the conversation by miring it down in minutia.)

Did you look at the debt clock?  Go take a look.  No tax increase is going to stem that destructive tide.  Do you understand what I am saying?  You want to address the skyrocketing increase per minute, services have to be ELIMINATED.  Government jobs have to be eliminated by the 100's of thousands.  The military has to be cut.  The pension system has to be changed.  Welfare has to become workfare or it has to end in its entirety.

Meanwhile, incentives have to be given to create jobs and court manufacturing back to the country. 

Can all of this be done at once?  Better question...can any of it be done at all?  There is something called the tipping point and I think a great many of us will agree that we have reached it.

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Google Federal Taxes enacted since 1965. There are between 30 and 60 of them.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

What the hell are you getting at?  Be specific.  Look...anyone who knocks taxes is going to gain in their reduction, aren't they?  If we reduce taxes, those of us who pay taxes will have more money.  Isn't that BASIC?  If we do a flat tax and a federal income tax, SCORES OF MILLIONS of people in the U.S. will pay for the first time.  (I know...some nitwit is going to say "Not for the first time, they pay taxes on gasoline and that goes to the federal government. Right?  One of you airheads was thinking that VERY thing, weren't you.  Well...you do nothing to advance the conversation by miring it down in minutia.)

Did you look at the debt clock?  Go take a look.  No tax increase is going to stem that destructive tide.  Do you understand what I am saying?  You want to address the skyrocketing increase per minute, services have to be ELIMINATED.  Government jobs have to be eliminated by the 100's of thousands.  The military has to be cut.  The pension system has to be changed.  Welfare has to become workfare or it has to end in its entirety.

Meanwhile, incentives have to be given to create jobs and court manufacturing back to the country. 

Can all of this be done at once?  Better question...can any of it be done at all?  There is something called the tipping point and I think a great many of us will agree that we have reached it.

I was specific but it obviously passed you by. Those in Alaska, who moan about government spending, gain most from government spending. Many republicans moan about the very thing that subsidises the hunting/shooting/fishing way of life. The taxes pay for the infrastructure that makes this possible.

So another question for you, if you didnt pay any tax, would you be prepared to build the roads you drive on. Especially if you didnt even get $35 an hour for shovelling the millions of tons of ashphalt needed. Was this specific enough for you ?

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

What the hell are you getting at?  Be specific.  Look...anyone who knocks taxes is going to gain in their reduction, aren't they?  If we reduce taxes, those of us who pay taxes will have more money.  Isn't that BASIC?  If we do a flat tax and a federal income tax, SCORES OF MILLIONS of people in the U.S. will pay for the first time.  (I know...some nitwit is going to say "Not for the first time, they pay taxes on gasoline and that goes to the federal government. Right?  One of you airheads was thinking that VERY thing, weren't you.  Well...you do nothing to advance the conversation by miring it down in minutia.)

Did you look at the debt clock?  Go take a look.  No tax increase is going to stem that destructive tide.  Do you understand what I am saying?  You want to address the skyrocketing increase per minute, services have to be ELIMINATED.  Government jobs have to be eliminated by the 100's of thousands.  The military has to be cut.  The pension system has to be changed.  Welfare has to become workfare or it has to end in its entirety.

Meanwhile, incentives have to be given to create jobs and court manufacturing back to the country. 

Can all of this be done at once?  Better question...can any of it be done at all?  There is something called the tipping point and I think a great many of us will agree that we have reached it.

I was specific but it obviously passed you by. Those in Alaska, who moan about government spending, gain most from government spending. Many republicans moan about the very thing that subsidises the hunting/shooting/fishing way of life. The taxes pay for the infrastructure that makes this possible.

So another question for you, if you didnt pay any tax, would you be prepared to build the roads you drive on. Especially if you didnt even get $35 an hour for shovelling the millions of tons of ashphalt needed. Was this specific enough for you ?

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Google Federal Taxes enacted since 1965. There are between 30 and 60 of them.

I'm looking but don't see it.

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I can't find it either. I had it. I printed it out and sent it to people. I will post the link if I find it.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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I can't find it either. I had it. I printed it out and sent it to people. I will post the link if I find it.

Alright, thanks.

I did find a larger list someone did on yahoo lol. It's a lot but I don't think it's all of them.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100329131218AAGxXLc

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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I can't find it either. I had it. I printed it out and sent it to people. I will post the link if I find it.

Alright, thanks.

I did find a larger list someone did on yahoo lol. It's a lot but I don't think it's all of them.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100329131218AAGxXLc

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

61,320,000,000.00

That's roughly the amount that the one gas tax pulls in at one year. (If my base figures are correct!)

That's a single tax.