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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 8:30:29 PM   
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We are free to whine and cry,in America.

Yes you are. No matter how stupid I think you're being..You are afforded that right under freedom of speech...Just pay your taxes is all that's asked.


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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 8:31:09 PM   
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Well, I am a home owner so I get a few pennies back on that.
I went and got my current pay stub, I pay AT LEAST 30%-34% , of my yearly income
on Federal , State, and Property taxes.
**Also in Northern Virginia you also pay a Car tax!!!



Do you think I should just go ahead and pay 50% in taxes?
How much is fucking enough?


you also pay between 42 - 50 cents per gallon gas tax

I dont know what the natural gas tax is for heating

you pay for fcc tax on your phone plus transaction taxes

you pay 5 - 6 % on all goods you buy

all licenses are taxes

all insurance that is a "public" requirement is a tax.

anything required by the public, ordinance statute whatever is a tax.

just to name a few


the biggest kick in the ass is that the only way they can do this is to convert you to full corporate status with out limited corporate liability.

So forget being a Wo/Man cuz you all been fully fictionalized!

pay up or they come after you with guns and if you add up every tax you pay it would be about 70%, if not you missed something.






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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 8:32:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why should home owners get a tax break, renters don`t get?

Doesn`t seem far to punish folks who rent.

Is there any other nation on the planet where one keeps more than 65%?

We pay some of the lowest taxes and get the most services of most any other nation and still we want more and cry when we don`t?

How the fuck is it that they expect to live here and enjoy our roads,bridges and infrastructure,the protection our police afford us and our economy(this isn`t Samollia or Russia),the parks and beaches without paying?

Is someone else going to pay,from Marz maybe?

Usually it`s the loudest whiners on taxes who are the loudest whiners when they need the government`s help.


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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 8:40:53 PM   
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Why should home owners get a tax break, renters don`t get?

Doesn`t seem far to punish folks who rent.

Is there any other nation on the planet where one keeps more than 65%?

We pay some of the lowest taxes and get the most services of most any other nation and still we want more and cry when we don`t?

How the fuck is it that they expect to live here and enjoy our roads,bridges and infrastructure,the protection our police afford us and our economy(this isn`t Samollia or Russia),the parks and beaches without paying?

Is someone else going to pay,from Marz maybe?

Usually it`s the loudest whiners on taxes who are the loudest whiners when they need the government`s help.



We are talking about taxes, and I do plan to get medicare and my social security when the time comes.
Am I supposed to subsidize people that are not even in this country legally, and I am not supposed to get my Medicare and Social Security?

IF I don't get Medicare and Social Security, there are going to be even bigger changes than even I imagined.

I have been paying into Social Security since I was 15, where is my money??
The revolution WILL be televised.

You are damn skippy, I want my government benefits, every damn one of them.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:05:38 PM   
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Why should home owners get a tax break, renters don`t get?

HUH???

are you renting from the guv?

Homeowners pay for all those services renters get and fucking school taxes for kids we do not fucking have to send your sniveling brat shit to school.

Doesn`t seem far to punish folks who rent.

well lowing property taxes would lower rent and end up with mo money in yo pocket but you know people dont htink that far LMAO

Is there any other nation on the planet where one keeps more than 65%?

oh well so that means we really have it good huh?  puke!  got an island?  I will buy to get rid of all this shit in my life and you can stick your corporate mobocracy where the sun dont shine!!

We pay some of the lowest taxes and get the most services of most any other nation and still we want more and cry when we don`t?

so be satisfied with our level of corruption because others have more corruption...  yeh now thats lofical

How the fuck is it that they expect to live here and enjoy our roads,bridges and infrastructure,the protection our police afford us and our economy(this isn`t Samollia or Russia),the parks and beaches without paying?

typical bullshit argument!  Where was it every authorized for the gub to provide SERVICES eh?

Fine you got a fucking deal!  If that is all I gotta pay for DEAL I will never complain about taxes again.

Is someone else going to pay,from Marz maybe?

Usually it`s the loudest whiners on taxes who are the loudest whiners when they need the government`s help.

any data on that?


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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:11:54 PM   
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Penny wise and pound foolish, is what my gram used to say.


Bottom line for me is that everyone pays their share,whatever that is,whatever it is we all come to agree on and then pay them.No after the fact loopholes or special breaks for a select few.

The bush tax cuts cost the nation 2.8 trillion dollars and he lost as many jobs as he created.

All the while we were borrowing hundreds of billions a year from our "friends" the Chinese communists and the Saudis to cover those the cost of those bush tax breaks,which in turn is/was passed to you and me as national debt,which in turn we don`t get a "break" on paying off.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:18:48 PM   
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Folks complain about taxes and miss how much they`re getting ripped off my the medical arts.We pay roughly twice percapita for care with the same or less good outcomes.

imagine that!

we have a gub that is pushing for more commie programs and just happens to be the same gub regulating the medical industry!

just dont add up LMAO

Penny wise and pound foolish, is what my gram used to say.


Bottom line for me is that everyone pays their share,whatever that is,whatever it is we all come to agree on and then pay them.No after the fact loopholes or special breaks for a select few.

everyone?what if they dont use any of the services?  what about thaose services that are being forced upon us at the end of the barrel of the gun thanks to your political philosophy?  How about that?

The bush tax cuts cost the nation 2.8 trillion dollars and he lost as many jobs as he created.

and the ohaha bailouts?

All the while we were borrowing hundreds of billions a year from our "friends" the Chinese communists and the Saudis to cover those the cost of those bush tax breaks,which in turn is/was passed to you and me as national debt,which in turn we don`t get a "break" on paying off.


well you are promoting it why complain?


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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:22:59 PM   
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Folks complain about taxes and miss how much they`re getting ripped off my the medical arts.We pay roughly twice percapita for care with the same or less good outcomes.


Penny wise and pound foolish, is what my gram used to say.


Bottom line for me is that everyone pays their share,whatever that is,whatever it is we all come to agree on and then pay them.No after the fact loopholes or special breaks for a select few.

The bush tax cuts cost the nation 2.8 trillion dollars and he lost as many jobs as he created.

All the while we were borrowing hundreds of billions a year from our "friends" the Chinese communists and the Saudis to cover those the cost of those bush tax breaks,which in turn is/was passed to you and me as national debt,which in turn we don`t get a "break" on paying off.


Owner, we tend to agree more than we disagree, I think anyway.
I don't mind paying taxes, I have a problem with how MOST of the tax money is spent!

I see very little coming back to the people who are paying the taxes.

I have no problem with everyone paying taxes, but tell me Owner, is everyone paying taxes now?
Has everyone that greatly benefits from those of us paying taxes, ever even paid taxes?

I am not talking about those that have lost their jobs, and have been unemployed for years during this recession.

Can you please tell me why my tax money should go to support people that are not in this country legally?

Can you tell me why my tax money is being used to help people all over the world, while we are contemplating cutting services to the elderly, the poor, and those that will need social security?


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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:29:27 PM   
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"I have a problem with how MOST of the tax money is spent!"

We couldn`t agree more.

But I`m not so sure we don`t get our money`s worth,any less than anyone else does.

They have almost no taxes and almost no services in Calcutta.

Only those with wealth can afford safety,security,good schools and medical care,clean water and clean food.

It`s a conservative`s paradise in these regards.

But Calcutta is no paradise.



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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:36:18 PM   
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"I have a problem with how MOST of the tax money is spent!"

We couldn`t agree more.

But I`m not so sure we don`t get our money`s worth,any less than anyone else does.

They have almost no taxes and almost no services in Calcutta.

Only those with wealth can afford safety,security,good schools and medical care,clean water and clean food.

It`s a conservative`s paradise in these regards.

But Calcutta is no paradise.




I like you Owner, and I would love to spank you.
I often adore your point of view, but I took off my rose colored glasses a few years ago.

I unlike you, believe we are headed for a DEPRESSION in the United States.
You may not want to hear this, but there are and will be people living in this country that are not that much better off than the sidewalk dwellers in Calcutta.

You really have no idea what is coming down the road in this country.
Keep those rose colored glasses on, and if you get an extra pair I might start wearing them.


Pray for our country, we need all the prayers we can get.


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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:40:24 PM   
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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:42:29 PM   
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I think we can fix this.Humans made it,we can fix it too.

<winks>


I hope so, it is a bloody mess.
All this unbridled outsourcing for years is catching up with us.
Buddy can you spare a job?


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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 9:47:52 PM   
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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/7/2011 10:15:06 PM   
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the problem with all this is that you all do not know the 1/2 of it.  cut to the quick they hand people and hang mans noose and you all put your head in it.  What these guys proppose you need to be a new york lawyer to understand the complete ramifications and even they will not be able to tell you.

seriously, I cant even get into the extent all these seemingly innocent changes are designed to fuck you all because you all know better.


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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/8/2011 2:05:53 AM   
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Oh yeah...now I really think your dumb.  Thanks for clearing that up for me.  NO ONE said there should be no taxes, got that, bright boy?  Don't talk to me about subsidizing hunting and fishing and how that is such a huge part of America's almost 15 Trillion national debt and such a huge chunk of America's total debt that exceeds 54 trillion.  OK???

Read my posts again.  Look at the debt clock. Read PA's posts again.  Read Icarys' posts again and Tj's.  OK...genius?  No one said there should be no taxes but WE HAVE SAID that 35 million illegals shouldn't get free health care.  Got it?  WE HAVE SAID that we are not getting the value for our tax dollar.  WE HAVE SAID that our government has grown in size and corruption.  WE HAVE SAID that we shouldn't be globe trotting for whatever reason without a vital, national interest at stake.  You want to talk about hunting???  You don't advance the conversation by miring it down in minutia. 



Really ? So you think all the so called minutia is free, or that all the services people take for granted are free ?  You really couldnt make this shit up. But hey, blame illegals, it must all be their fault, right ?  The trouble with some of you is you pick the easy targets before engaging your brain. It doesnt help that you are making bogus claims that there are 35 million illegals either. I may be dumb in your eyes but at least I can read and dont make wild claims.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/8/2011 2:14:06 AM   
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ARE YOU CRAZY?
Geeze, who would ever want more taxes? Its just another money grab, tax & waste, tax more & waste more.


lemme think

A while ago someone on here ridiciouled Germany for the amount of taxes we pay over here...

now...

having experienced the health care in the UK and heard about the costs of healthcare in the US (IF you are lucky enough to have one),

having experienced the raise in tuition fees in the UK and heard they are expensive in the US, too

now...

these are just two examples why I am quite happy with the taxes we do pay over here...as over here all of us are entitled to health insurance and to receive good treatments and young people don't get very debt ridden with student debts....as in some counties it is still free to study (and in others its just 1000 Euro per year...)

so...

quite frankly, if the system works in the country and taxes help to provide a good standard of living for everyone....then all I can say

YES

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/8/2011 5:18:02 AM   
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Bottom line for me is that everyone pays their share,whatever that is,whatever it is we all come to agree on and then pay them.

Most Americans I know don't have a problem paying their taxes but they usually don't find it enjoyable when the powers that be are  A: looking for more and more of them while B: They waste and spend irresponsibly.

Actually balance a budget for a change and stop the bastardization of the process and their jobs in general.



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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/8/2011 6:11:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tj444

ARE YOU CRAZY?
Geeze, who would ever want more taxes? Its just another money grab, tax & waste, tax more & waste more.


lemme think

A while ago someone on here ridiciouled Germany for the amount of taxes we pay over here...

now...

having experienced the health care in the UK and heard about the costs of healthcare in the US (IF you are lucky enough to have one),

having experienced the raise in tuition fees in the UK and heard they are expensive in the US, too

now...

these are just two examples why I am quite happy with the taxes we do pay over here...as over here all of us are entitled to health insurance and to receive good treatments and young people don't get very debt ridden with student debts....as in some counties it is still free to study (and in others its just 1000 Euro per year...)

so...

quite frankly, if the system works in the country and taxes help to provide a good standard of living for everyone....then all I can say

YES

I was talking about the US only, I dont have enough of a handle on Germany or the UK or various other countries to comment on their tax system, etc. I come from Canada, its got universal health care and comparatavely high taxes (compared to the US) but for some people there are other considerations beyond the plus and minuses of a balance sheet too..

And personally,.. unless I have a boyfriend here in the US in the next year or so, I will be leaving. I wont be going back to Canada tho, it will be one of the other countries that I want to visit and perhaps stay, if I am impressed enough..

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/8/2011 6:51:33 AM   
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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/8/2011 7:05:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		No. The only tax that would be fair and sane would be a ten percent tax on ALL income (regardless of the source) with no deductions.

This, of course will never happen... to many people have a vested interest in the power to manipulate people (and their votes!) that the current tax code allows.

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