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SuzeCheri -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 11:47:45 AM)

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What is Cheri arguing against, exactly, or is that asking too much?
Your contention that I said all heterosexual men held the views expressed by the person I used as an example in my OP.

It really should be obvious, as that is the only point I have argued on this entire thread.

Now I am still waiting for you to show me where I said what you say I did.




SuzeCheri -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 11:55:34 AM)

Thanks for replying Aswad, you raise some good points, while the "closet gay" theory holds a certain emotional appeal, it doesn't really hold up to critical scrutiny, the numbers involved would, on there own, discount it.

Do you have any ideas as to why lesbian sex is generally viewed with more tolerance than gay male sex?




Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 12:26:43 PM)



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ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

quote:

What is Cheri arguing against, exactly, or is that asking too much?
Your contention that I said all heterosexual men held the views expressed by the person I used as an example in my OP.

It really should be obvious, as that is the only point I have argued on this entire thread.

Now I am still waiting for you to show me where I said what you say I did.




My response was not an intentional contention, but rather a response to your own specious contention, as proposed in the OP.

That inconvenient distinction and difference thing there.

But lets get to the issue, if we could;


This is probably not your fault, but the OP led many posters here to equate the natural hetero male vs. hetero male repulsion of the idea, the witnessing of, the thought of, etc. of male intimacy, which repulsion is in place not by nurture, but nature, as then proposed to be part and parcel of rejection of the idea of two men wanting to be together at all, even intimate when at home. Why any of that would concern the rest of us at all (especially you) is not understandable to me.

The two can not be equated, regardless of how much heroic effort at stretching in regard to that cause by some here otherwise, especially by some who conspicuously lack even the first college logic or statistics class, yet have pretensions towards a 'scientific' approach. Quite funny.

Natural male/male repulsion has never, and still does not, equate to male rejection of m/m relationships outright.

Society can alter that, no question, the nurture part of it regarding rejection of the concept.


The sad fellow alluded to in your initial post was indeed a sad fellow.

It's up to you as to strength of your argument (if there is one) whether to base it on that one example or not.







SuzeCheri -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 12:38:42 PM)

I really can't understand what you are saying 90% of the time, but I'll take that as your version of "You didn't say that, but that doesn't matter because I know you really meant that even if you didn't know it yourself."

Based on the rest of your posts and the misdirection with which you answer everything I'll have to accept that as about as close to an admission of fault as I am likely to get.

Thanks for your input, now if you would do me a favour, please go post on some other thread, as I'd like to discuss the ideas in my OP with people who actually have some worthwhile ideas to contribute.

C.




Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 12:59:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri



Thanks for your input, now if you would do me a favour, please go post on some other thread, as I'd like to discuss the ideas in my OP with people who actually have some worthwhile ideas to contribute.

C.






Considering the OP, I can can only wish you luck there.







LanceHughes -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 1:08:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LittleMeganV
Interesting article in Discovery magazine a few years ago (2007 or 2008) about a gene that leads to hyper fertility in women, also leads to homosexuality in men (kind of like nature balancing the scale).   <snipped>

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ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

Huh, that is an interesting sounding article, I think I'll get the Google-fu master to try find it.

<snipped>


http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/06/18/are-highly-fertile-women-more-likely-to-have-gay-sons/ 

You're most welcome.

And more detail:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6519-survival-of-genetic-homosexual-traits-explained.html

These articles explain that gay sex (actually male-to-male attraction) is probably a balancing influence against highly fertile women (who are related on the mother's side.)  So, maybe, just maybe, the predisposition to avoiding male-on-male sex is genetic but in reverse.  That is, "Go GET 'em, men."  If you're on a branch of the family tree that isn't so fertile, and you are male, there is a higher likelyhood that you will be predisposed toward attraction toward females and probably, (at the same time) a homo-phobe attitude toward men.

(In my own case, I have two female first cousins that have between them 11 kids.  Furthermore, in my generation of ALL the descendants of my great-great grandmother, there are only 4 males out of 62.  She had 6 girls and one son.)




subrob1967 -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 1:21:47 PM)

FR

Women are appealing to look at, Men aren't. Frankly, the cock is ugly, regardless if you like to suck them or not.




zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 1:46:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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most other people here do
Don't worry, we do, your posts read like a Gor novel on acid.


Hey no fair, the Gor novels are better written! [8D]




zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 1:49:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

And I still don't get this.

Doesn't anyone gag ON a cock anymore?



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BitaTruble -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 1:50:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

And I still don't get this.

Doesn't anyone gag ON a cock anymore? Is this all in the mind, one big Gedanken gag?





Not since '82 when I learned to deep throat. [;)]




Arpig -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 2:34:02 PM)

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Hey no fair, the Gor novels are better written!
i did qualify my statement with the "on acid" bit. Drop a hit and try reading Slavegirls....let me know how it goes. [;)]




GreedyTop -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 2:36:35 PM)

geez, Bob.. I guess it's easier in Canada than it is here... LOL




Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 2:37:06 PM)



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ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

Certainly, my pleasure.

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This isn't a rare thing, this attitude, it's quite common in fact

The attitude in question, that of being revolted by the thought of man-on-man sex is not an uncommon attitude. This is not to say that it is universal, nor does it say that the attitude is even exhibeted by the majority of people. Simply that it is not uncommon, and, since you argued that it was a natural and even genetic predisposition to be repulsed by gay male sex, then you can hardly argue with this point.

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it's usually coming from straight men directed at gay men.

This is based on observation, there simply are more heterosexual men who are disgusted by the thought of male-on-male sex than there are gay men, gay women, or straight women. This isn't really a debatable conclusion, it simply is a matter of record, if you don't believe me feel free to do a little reading on the subject.

I would suggest G.M. Herek's article based on the 1999 RDD survey: Gender gaps in public opinion about lesbians and gay men, published in the Public Opinion Quarterly #66 (1), pp 40-66.

Here is an abstract of that article, please note the bolded sections.
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Using data from a 1999 national RDD survey (N = 1,335), this paper examines gender gaps in heterosexuals' attitudes toward lesbians, gay men, and a variety of topics related to homosexuality. Attitudes toward lesbians differed from attitudes toward gay men in several areas, and significant differences were observed between male and female heterosexual respondents. Survey participants generally were more likely to regard gay men as mentally ill, supported adoption rights for lesbians more than for gay men, and had more negative personal reactions to gay men than to lesbians. Overall, heterosexual women were more supportive than men of employment protection and adoption rights, more willing to extend employee benefits to same-sex couples, and less likely to hold stereotypical beliefs about gay people. Heterosexual men's negative reactions to gay men were at the root of these gender differences. Of all respondent-by-target combinations, heterosexual men were the least supportive of recognition of same-sex relationships and adoption rights for gay men, most likely to believe that gay men are mentally ill and molest children, and most negative in their affective reactions to gay men. Heterosexual men's response patterns were affected by item order, suggesting possible gender differences in the cognitive organization of attitudes toward gay men and lesbians. The findings demonstrate the importance of differentiating lesbians from gay men as attitude targets in survey research.

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And why is this attitude so predominantly a hetero male attitude?

Since it is mostly straight men who hold this attitude, then the use of the word "predominantly" in this sentence is correct. Please note that the word does not imply that most heterosexual men hold these views, only that most of the people who do hold these views are heterosexual men.

So, to summarize; the premise of mine to which you object is based on two perfectly reasonable assumptions based on observation and current sociological research.

There, I've addressed your concern, now it's your turn. Please show me where I said that it was my opinion that all heterosexual men were represented by the example I used.




Right.

We are talking about two different things here, but actually a not dissimilar phenomena.


Your focus is on hetero men who are uncomfortable, to say the least, about the idea of intimate contact among males.

I think that the ground has been well covered, long before this thread, but dead horses always attract the whip for many.

I merely brought attention to the fact that some few lesbians are not merely uncomfortable, but actually are taken quite aback, some fewer even horrified at the idea of heterosexual encounter.


Anybody can think what they like, prefer whoever they like, etc.

But when we're at work, neither I nor anyone else has any use for this crap, homophobes, men-haters, whatever.


That's just how it is.


Both the gay and lesbian bosses are with me on this one, I can assure you.











Arpig -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 2:37:18 PM)

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Considering the OP, I can can only wish you luck there.
Yes Fast Eddy, we get it, any discussion of male homophobia is a direct attack on you.

Your latent homophobia is only exceeded by your blatant mendacity.




zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 2:38:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

quote:

Hey no fair, the Gor novels are better written!
i did qualify my statement with the "on acid" bit. Drop a hit and try reading Slavegirls....let me know how it goes. [;)]



Oh GOD way to give me a bad trip. Bad Bob, bad bad Bob!




Arpig -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 2:48:09 PM)

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geez, Bob.. I guess it's easier in Canada than it is here... LOL
A hit of acid? Would take me about 10 minutes to get one and I don't even know any dealers.




Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 2:54:56 PM)




quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

quote:


Considering the OP, I can can only wish you luck there.
Yes Fast Eddy, we get it, any discussion of male homophobia is a direct attack on you.

Your latent homophobia is only exceeded by your blatant mendacity.





Your humour is always appreciated.

So cute. Especially that lack of comprehension thing. So beguiling.

(Ahem ...  )


"What a smart child!"


I think we need another gold star on the forehead here.









Arpig -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 3:03:33 PM)

So sorry FE, that wasn't humour, it was a statement of fact. How you managed to survive as long as me without learning how to tell the difference is an amazement to me.




Edwynn -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 3:16:16 PM)




Your gross inadequacy in comprehension skills and yet still living to tell the story actually gives me hope for the future, believe it or not.

Geology classes can do that. We look at millions of years at a time there.









GreedyTop -> RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? (8/30/2011 3:33:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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geez, Bob.. I guess it's easier in Canada than it is here... LOL
A hit of acid? Would take me about 10 minutes to get one and I don't even know any dealers.



about 15 yrs ago, it took me MONTHS to find someone.. *sigh*




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