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errantgeek -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/27/2011 6:21:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper Yeah, if you're like most folks your age, a half decent number of the guys you know have been. And I'm not surprised they're pissed. My hope though is that some'll come down and be counted as opposed to looking to beef with the cops. First place (besides maybe oakland... cause they're just fucking idiots) ... first place they see 50 vet's shoulder to shoulder down at one of these sites, I think they might think a little harder before they fire the gas. Yeah, I'm hoping some of them start looking at ways to take action, and I've offered to help out with that if they do. Some of my Marine friends are combat vets, some not, one in particular saw just about the worst Fallujah had to offer.

Edwynn -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/27/2011 6:53:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim After viewing the video linked to in the OP.... 1. The OPD used MEGAPHONES to warn the OWS protesters that they were there illegally and would be arrested if they didn't leave. The protesters were in fact NOT there 'illegally,' as per the first amendment. The Supreme Court has ruled on several occasions that the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land (the Constitution itself says so, while we're at it), and we had a big war to settle that issue. Any police action against the right to peaceably assemble for redress of grievances is in fact violation of the Supreme Law of the Land.

SternSkipper -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/27/2011 7:31:52 PM)
quote: Well, all the other rot aside: 4. Assuming the person in the Navy uniform and person in the Marine uniform are in fact in the Navy and the Marines both of them violated the UCMC and are subject to Courts Maritial under the UCMJ. Note: The POTUS and several very prominent Democratic members of Congress have publically expressed support for the OWS protests and, therefore, have made any/all such events political in nature. Civilian police dont have a fuckin thing to do with ucmj and they werent holding them for military authority. Thanks for playing, try to post on topic. Now Ron, It's not a debate until you hear from the stupid, thick, and trans-intelligent community Political Correctness dictates we have to let him finish before completely succumbing to laughter.

SternSkipper -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/27/2011 7:45:07 PM)
quote: The protesters were in fact NOT there 'illegally,' as per the first amendment. I wonder what Jim's creative explanation is now. Now that we see a kid hit with the canister and then while others are trying to give aid, a second is fired at them. "Friendly fire my ass" ... after seeing that shit, I'd want the cops frisked for paint balls ... cause I didn't see anything that looked like a paintball hit right color, wrong look. Nah.. the cops were just violating their rights in the first place. I would LOVE to see the supreme court decision where any 'Blue law' trumps the first amendment.

Edwynn -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/27/2011 7:50:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim 4. Assuming the person in the Navy uniform and person in the Marine uniform are in fact in the Navy and the Marines both of them violated the UCMC and are subject to Courts Maritial under the UCMJ. Explain that one, please. In the meantime, I will remind you that all members of any of the military branches are sworn to protect the Constitution and to defend the country against all threats to the country and the Constitution, foreign or domestic. Larry Blankfein is still on the loose, but I won't carp on the Marines or Army guys for failing in that task. All I want to know is, why haven't the Military done their job, as sworn, and rounded up the Oakland Police yet?

Daddysredhead -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/27/2011 7:59:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn All I want to know is, why haven't the Military done their job, as sworn, and rounded up the Oakland Police yet? HUGE LIKE!!! [:)]

errantgeek -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/27/2011 8:04:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn Explain that one, please. In the meantime, I will remind you that all members of any of the military branches are sworn to protect the Constitution and to defend the country against all threats to the country and the Constitution, foreign or domestic. Larry Blankfein is still on the loose, but I won't carp on the Marines or Army guys for failing in that task. All I want to know is, why haven't the Military done their job, as sworn, and rounded up the Oakland Police yet? Oh, the anti-occupiers are up in arms that these guys wore parts of their uniforms to the protests. It's against DoD regulations to wear the uniform or any part of it when participating in a political demonstration. Since I'm no JAG officer or UCMJ specialist, I'm not sure under which provision of the UCMJ servicemen may actually be sanctioned for doing so, and to what extent. You know, typical "let's completely ignore the content of their speech and directly attack their character to attempt to undermine their credibility and deflect attention from what they actually said" crap that's so common amongst righties.

SternSkipper -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/27/2011 8:14:51 PM)
From OccupyTogether.org For Scott Olsenby Occupy Tucson on Thursday, October 27, 2011 at 5:29pm This was a beautifully-written comment posted on Occupy Together by "A Concerned American" in response to the news about the injuries Oakland police inflicted on two-time Iraq Marine combat veteran Scott Olsen. The police apparently fired a tear gas canister directly at his head during a night-time attack on Oct. 25 (Occupy Oakland video and news report in The Guardian -UK.) As of Oct. 27, Scott is in stable but critical condition at a local Oakland hospital, in a medically-induced coma due to brain swelling. He is also a member of Veterans for Peace. They have been the mainstay of Occupy Tucson's Peacekeeping Working Group, tirelessly accompanying us on all marches and keeping vigil over our camp throughout the night. Thanks from the bottom of Occupy Tucson's heart to Alex, David, Mike and all our other veterans.--By: A Concerned American "To the Mothers and Fathers of America:This may not be clear to you yet, but those protestors out in the streets are your bravest children. They now hold the front for all of us in the centuries-old battle against tyranny. Many are fighting the corrupting influence of money in American politics, others against a system no longer functional for a majority that will only grow. Some do not know exactly what they want–only that something has gone terribly wrong in a country in which they would like to believe. They have not articulated one focused message, or one set of demands–and they do not need to. This is not a battle of right against left, red against blue, or liberal against conservative. It is not made-for-TV politics. It is a battle of right against wrong. America has lost, in its political discourse and behavior, the ability to distinguish between the two. Many of its practitioners seem not to care.

kdsub -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/27/2011 8:57:36 PM)
At least as a brother in DomKen's words I admit I could be mistaken...but if anything I believe it is more a generation thing than Marine thing. Time will tell but just don't count on support from well disciplined Marines...if they are told to support the National Guard you can bet your bottom dollar that is exactly what they will do. Butch

DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 4:28:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle http://www.businessinsider.com/marine-to-police-you-did-this-to-my-brother-2011-10 MARINES TO OAKLAND POLICE: 'You Did This To My Brother' Ummmm.....yeah. Anyone who's been in the active duty military can tell you that the picture you posted really detracts from your claim. Active duty marines do NOT have 1) Piercings 2) facial hair. So that shoots a gaping hole in the claim that the "Marines" are joining OWS.

farglebargle -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 4:38:46 AM)
Ever hear "Once a Marine, Always a Marine"?

DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 4:38:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen You apparently don't know shit about Marines. But I do. My father, brother and uncle were all Marines. My other uncle was Navy, I was Air Force as was another of my distant uncles/cousins (I'm fuzzy on the relation to that one...never met him). And because of my prior duty locations, I've had dealings with and known many Marines both while in the service and when I got out. Let's see....my father LOVES to tell the tale of how he saw a Navy guy in uniform wearing an ear ring, told him to remove it, then removed it (and part of his ear lobe) when he refused with some colorful language. My uncle was a "squared away" Marine even when I met him, which was a decade or longer after his retirement (for you civilians, "squared away" means no piercings, facial hair within regs, hair high and tight just like he was standing there in dress blues). For that matter, you could say that my brother is as well, and he got out shortly right around the time I went in. And if he had to report tomorrow morning, in uniform, he'd not have to change one thing about his appearance. Moving on to the ones I've known while in service and since getting out -- they are all "squared away," it's kinda required. What's not required is their reactions to seeing members who are not as "squared away" as they are. You can't fake the disgust in their tone, the jokes made to the rest of their group and the nonstop tales and such on how that person wouldn't last 2 minutes in their unit, especially if they had anything to say about it. So yes, it's quite possible that many Marines detest what is depicted in this OP, the story and the photo. Not all, mind you. But many.

DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 4:42:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Ever hear "Once a Marine, Always a Marine"? Yeah, same as I've heard some Marines say "Once a dirtbag, always a dirtbag." Same concept. Some just aren't cut out to be Marines, or a member of any of the branches.

Arienos -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 4:42:48 AM)
quote: Yeah, if you're like most folks your age, a half decent number of the guys you know have been. And I'm not surprised they're pissed. My hope though is that some'll come down and be counted as opposed to looking to beef with the cops. First place (besides maybe oakland... cause they're just fucking idiots) ... first place they see 50 vet's shoulder to shoulder down at one of these sites, I think they might think a little harder before they fire the gas. I think it may be wise to recognize our police force's hire veterans. I posted this on another thread so I am not certain if I can re-post it but I will try. Unfortunately or perhaps fortunately excessive (Beyond what is considered acceptable, proper, usual or necessary. ) falls within the framework of experiences establishing precedent, standard operating procedure and individual perceptions of health and safety hazards and/or risks at the moment. The police were doing their job, the job we pay them to do using standard operating procedures and I can assure you the United States Marine Corps has not endorsed the demonstrators nor has it offered support. Neither has the retired Marine Corps Officers Association or the Marine Corps League. Retired and separated (Discharged) marines are a formidable force in numbers and their voice will be heard in the ballot box in a disciplined orderly peaceful manner.

farglebargle -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 4:56:08 AM)
Yeah, cops may be vets, but they dishonor themselves and their service when they take headshots at unarmed civilians... If you're a cop and you don't frag another cop taking headshots at unarmed civilians, you ARE the problem...

Moonhead -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 5:01:29 AM)
That's without even getting into the fact that the headshot's put the poor bastard into a coma, of course...

Arienos -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 5:02:11 AM)
quote: Yeah, cops may be vets, but they dishonor themselves and their service when they take headshots at unarmed civilians When you have spent weeks and months in front line unite engaging the enemy, killed and seen the man next to you killed you may understand dishonor, veterans know the word well and do not use it without also knowing the repercussions it brings with it. Do not tell me about a veteran dishonoring himself, tell the veteran he is dishonorable face to face its the honorable thing to do. Then pick up your weapon and stand opposed.

DarqueMirror -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 5:06:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Yeah, cops may be vets, but they dishonor themselves and their service when they take headshots at unarmed civilians... If you're a cop and you don't frag another cop taking headshots at unarmed civilians, you ARE the problem... I'd love to see your evidence that the guy's head was the target of a non-lethal round which works best when shot on the GROUND. Go on.....try and explain that one.

Hillwilliam -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 5:11:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Yeah, cops may be vets, but they dishonor themselves and their service when they take headshots at unarmed civilians... If you're a cop and you don't frag another cop taking headshots at unarmed civilians, you ARE the problem... I'd love to see your evidence that the guy's head was the target of a non-lethal round which works best when shot on the GROUND. Go on.....try and explain that one. Excellent observation there darque. Now explain how a cop can shoot a non lethal round at the ground from that range (the guy was about 12 feet away) and hit him in the head. He either A: aimed for the head or B: makes Elmer Fudd look like a fucking 1000 yard sniper. You said earlier "Once a dirtbag, always a dirtbag" and you're right. A very few dirtbags wear a uniform and carry a badge.

Hillwilliam -> RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marine... (10/28/2011 5:15:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Ever hear "Once a Marine, Always a Marine"? Yeah, same as I've heard some Marines say "Once a dirtbag, always a dirtbag." Same concept. Some just aren't cut out to be Marines, or a member of any of the branches. And some arent cut out to be cops but, unfortunately, that power attracts a few dirtbags. You should have seen Metro-Dade in the early 80's right after Mariel and the May '80 riots. They were talking anything with a pulse and 30 years later their reputation still hasn't recovered.

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