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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 5:24:37 AM   
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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 5:26:18 AM   
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First time I ever told that to anyone.

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 5:29:20 AM   
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I hope the OP can take from what you've been through. I think it was very brave to share your low points, and I'm glad you came out of it intact. Depression is a horrible horrible thing.

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 5:35:01 AM   
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I'm not sure what worked for me will work for the next person in all honesty. I got lucky. I found the trigger & the safety catch on the little bastard. & being anti drug regime I was more determined to find an alternative fix than happy pills.

But like I said that's just me. My old man committed suicide for valid reasons IMO. When I intellectualised my predicament I realised that my reasons for feeling suicidal weren't valid.

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 5:51:15 AM   
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OP, I know it sounds like I'm just giving canned responses & I don't really take your depression seriously. But I do. I am bipolar, yes bipolar. I get into a deep clinical depression and then go bananas with a manic - IF I don't keep doing everything right. But when I'm IN that depression, I feel like it will never end. Doing what I need to do to get out of that depression means the psychotherapy, staying on my meds, eating right and exercising right, paying attention to personal hygiene and getting out around other people. I know that's not easy & sometimes it takes a good friend, or at least someone, to push you into doing those things. So this is not a canned response, it's a well thought out one.

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 7:23:50 AM   
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A huge thanks to everybody who has come forward with their own stories of dealing with this horrible disease. You have no idea how much it means to me to hear that I am not the only one. I'm quite amazed with how much care everybody has shown instead of just blasting me for having a pity party. Thank you so much!

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 7:56:40 AM   
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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 8:06:03 AM   
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While running away from it all seems like a solution, isolation and removing responsibility are about the WORST things you can do to yourself. Truly. The debt and the darkness won't go away, and relationships ALWAYS bring as many complications and need for coping skills with them. I'm firmly convinced that you can only make a relationship - any relationship - work IF you can deal with all the crap as well as all the good stuff.

I agree with healthy living being a huge help - as dumb as it sounds, just getting out and going for a walk most days is SO helpful. Fresh air, sunshine, and toning your body - it can be better than any pill. Cut out all the junk and processed foods as much as possible and focus on eating whole foods. You'll feel SO much better if you eat a piece of roasted chicken, a baked sweet potato with real butter, and a nice big salad vs. McCrappy's, especially if you're doing it day in, day out. A lot of things that are touted for being healthy for your body - like the omega 3's, the vitamin packed dark leafy greens, the brilliant colors of different veggies and fruits - also trigger all sorts of the good happy brain chemicals.

Do not give up on getting treatment. What you've tried so far may have been unsuccessful, BUT it doesn't mean that ALL the treatments are unsuccessful. You just haven't found the right combination of therapy/medication/living activities that works - and honestly, it will probably take a combination of efforts to deal with it. But there IS something out there.

You also have to remember that depression is cyclical. For as much time as it really sucks, there are good times ahead. In time you will learn during the good times how to better deal with the down times - and be able to better pull yourself out of it AND make them farther and fewer in between.

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 9:10:27 AM   
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Thanks again everybody for being so helpful and compassionate. It's probably a good thing I didn't receive the type of response I was originally looking for, being as vulnerable as I am I could have easily fallen into the hands of a sadistic predator or someone just wishing to extort me. There are some really sick malevolent people out there who just view BDSM as another way to get their prey, I'm glad to see that overall this appears to be a very compassionate and protective community :-) Knowing this certainly makes me feel more comfortable with who I am, it's hard to go through life with a "OMG, I'm a sick and worthless pervert" attitude.

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 9:21:28 AM   
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I would like to add something to my earlier remarks.

Depression will tell you things, particularly things about yourself and what you are worth, that are simply lies. The tricky thing is, those lies get told to you, by you. That makes it real hard to argue. It is important that you DO argue when you or anyone else puts you down. Don't think you have no choice, you can reject a putdown, even if it comes from inside.

When you do, you are rejecting depression.

Hope that makes sense.

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 9:28:26 AM   
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That is pretty good advice IMO.

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 9:34:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lildude81va

Thanks again everybody for being so helpful and compassionate. It's probably a good thing I didn't receive the type of response I was originally looking for, being as vulnerable as I am I could have easily fallen into the hands of a sadistic predator or someone just wishing to extort me. There are some really sick malevolent people out there who just view BDSM as another way to get their prey, I'm glad to see that overall this appears to be a very compassionate and protective community :-) Knowing this certainly makes me feel more comfortable with who I am, it's hard to go through life with a "OMG, I'm a sick and worthless pervert" attitude.




A lot of us have been down the same road, with the depression bit, not necessarily being predated. I wish there were a one size fits all fix. The exercise thing... utter bollocks. I was in the day hospital for a few weeks and they made us walk around the hospital grounds in the dead of freakin winter. If any of us had had the wherewithal there would have been an uprising! But, eating properly and being normally active make you PHYSICALLY better, so that's one less thing.

It's a lifetime commitment to disease management, like diabetes, or RA. (Using that analogy made me accept the roulette game of meds...) Your brain is fighting you, you have to fight back. Which is immeasurably difficult.

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 9:38:07 AM   
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So very true Frosted. My self-talk  is incredibly hurtful and damaging, I will say things to myself that I wouldn't even say to my worst enemy. What I find challenging is that I seem to enjoy putdowns, whether they be internal or external ones, it's as though they validate my beliefs about myself. I have actually found myself picking fights with people who tell me I'm not a bad person, it seems that I can handle all the rejection in the world and yet a simple gesture of caring can set me off and put me on the defensive. If someone says something good about me I tend to view it as a personal attack and desperately try to defend my position by bringing up a hundred reasons as to why I'm a  bad person. It's completely irrational and even being provided proof to the contrary I somehow keep finding myself desperately hanging on to the "I'm a bad person" belief. Maybe it's a defense mechanism? Along the lines of no one can hurt me if I hurt myself first...

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 10:40:57 AM   
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OP, I can relate. I have shared my story here and if you wish to find even more support and fellow feeling do a search and come up with some of the past threads on depression or mental health. There are a LOT of people here with amazing stories that have bared their soul so to speak, just like they have on this thread and I for one thank them all.

I struggled with clinical, suicidal depression for more than 15 years. It took a while to find the right combination of medication and therapy. Please, I beg you, do not give up, not everyone is the same, depression is a tricky disease, you NEED to keep trying to find your solution. If something doesn't work then tell your doctor and the two of you can keep trying. If you give up you are accepting the gray world you have now for good. I'd have killed myself had I not kept trying - that was the road I was on. My kids were what gave me the strength to keep trying. Find whatever you can to motivate you, and get in there and fight even though you don't want to and it seems impossible and like so much work. You are worth it.

When my doctor and I found a good medication combo that worked for me it needed to be tweaked on a constant basis, and after about 10 years it just stopped working and i needed to go onto something else. Sometimes you find the answer and then it changes, who knows why. I have been medication free for about 4 years now. Let me emphasize that my problem was severe enough that if I were off meds I would need to be hospitalized.  I was on high doses of 3 different meds, and decided I wanted to try something and with the approval of my dr I started to exercise and watch what I ate. I have no idea why this worked, but it did. As you can see it's a personal type of thing as some have said on here that exercise and eating worked for them, and some have said it didn't. It has given me back a 'normal' life though and I take my exercise regime extremely seriously. Just something to keep in mind.

If I were you I'd find a new doctor and certainly try again for the right combination/dosage of meds. If what you try does not work do not give up, you may respond to some other med. Let the dr know, it's a process with depression finding the answer, it's not a given. People react differently. Keep in mind that it also takes a few weeks for the meds to start helping you feel better, you probably already know that. Go to a doctor now, try whatever they suggest, let them know if it helps or not. Then if you like, you can try some alternative methods once you are feeling better.

I wish you all the best....

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 10:52:07 AM   
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I just wanted to add something pertinent. Depression is a chemical disease. It presents itself in emotions and with mental health symptoms, but it is absolutely based on body chemistry and the lack of certain chemicals or not enough of them. The medication is not a 'happy' pill. What the meds basically do is allow your body to make more of the chemicals (neurotransmitters) it is deficient in, if someone was not depressed and took the type of depression medication I am referring to, it wouldnt' do anything to them because they have enough neurotransmitters.

As you can see it's much like diabetes, which is a chemical problem. Please understand that you have a physical problem here, not a mental one, and you need to address it or keep suffering with the depression. Would you try to fix it if you had a broken leg? I hope the answer was yes- then if you would try to fix your leg then why not fix your depression? It's something that isn't working quite right and it can hopefully be changed. I can explain more if you like, just send me a PM.

Just understand if you didn't already, that it's rather simple in origin, there is a lack of something inside of you and if you get that something back it should help you to function normally again. It is not a mental deficiency, although it presents itself with emotive and cognitive symptoms. You have a physical disease, you aren't nuts. Sometimes it helps you fight to get better if you 'get' that, hugs...

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 11:45:12 AM   
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Thanks. Yes, depression is a terrible thing, after 15 years of trying everything to escape it I am at a complete loss. I have tried to start fresh by moving to new places, tried medication, tried therapy, nothing has been able to help so this was my last mental escape. But you are right, it is probably not the right way, and simply trying to burden a Mistress with all my problems would not be fair either. I just don't know what to do anymore :-(



lildude81va, for some reason the holiday season often makes depression worse for many people. My sub's mother, for instance. In the past two years she lost a daughter and a sister, and has just found out this month that another sister has kidney cancer. It was bad enough going through the first Chrismas and New Year without her loved ones...and now she has this to deal with too. I don't know what all you are dealing with and depression doesn't need to have a definite reason for existing to be valid. It is what it is and we must deal with it and try to find a balance in our daily lives.

Many people deal with intense depression for years; you are one of many and there are even online support groups for this. Find one, okay? Sometimes being around others with the same problem is more helpful than what counselors do. I think both have their place in our lives when we are in need.

Several people I know...so okay, two have been family members and one a close neighbor...badly needed their meds adjusted until some combination worked for them. This was done from the proverbial padded room. Afterward they led normal lives, so maybe your shrink wasn't all that wrong to suggest this, though it probably made you feel lousy that they even suggested it.

My battle with depression lasted for over 15 years...and though life is sometimes unbearable with all the cr*p it throws at us...I love my life. Instead of a burden, I see it as a gift with unexpected joys and wonderful people mixed in with all the daily grind. I cannot blame you for wanting to drop responsibility for everything and find a safe place to hide away for a while. Hang in there.

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 12:01:49 PM   
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Nope...at least none that come to our church. Oh wait...that was atheists.

I don't know.

Oh and BTW, yes, depression is a chemical disease. That chemical change can and does occur most often when the 'victim' changes their behavior. That change can be as simple as eating or sleep schedule.

If a victim can right themselves physically, it often helps considerably even relieving some patients of depression.

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 12:15:25 PM   
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Nope...at least none that come to our church. Oh wait...that was atheists.

I don't know.

Oh and BTW, yes, depression is a chemical disease. That chemical change can and does occur most often when the 'victim' changes their behavior. That change can be as simple as eating or sleep schedule.

If a victim can right themselves physically, it often helps considerably even relieving some patients of depression.


This is rather glib, but there is truth here.

We cannot control the world around us, but we can control how we REACT to it. Also, smiling. There is so much to be said for faking it until you make it, I did it for years, got through grad school with honors, etc. SMILE. It releases better brain chemicals. I smile like a loon all the time, and people smile back.

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 1:48:23 PM   
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Right. Good Point. Lady Hibiscus just said something very important.

What is on your face is what is behind it too. A look on your face that makes folks think your dog just died affects their mood. That, in turn, affects your mood. Lather, rinse, repeat. It may even be so that a grim expression works its' magic without the aid of other people. Conversly, a brighter expression makes you more fun to see. And that affects others moods. And in turn others moods affect yours. It's a vicious circle. It may even be that a smile, as Lady Hib said, makes you feel good all by itself.

This could be what Ishtar meant by, "Fake it till you make it.".

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RE: Are there any real dominant women into TPE? - 12/11/2011 2:23:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake

This could be what Ishtar meant by, "Fake it till you make it.".



It is, though it's more than just that.

Just smiling will do a lot, but the most important thing I did was fake enthusiasm.
The hardest thing for me during my depression was not being able to be enthusiastic about anything. I just didn't care enough about anything to be enthusiastic about it.

So I would try to go through the motion of eating better, socializing, getting active and so on (all the things everybody constantly advices you to do) but it would suck, because I didn't feel enthusiastic about doing it, which just turned my mood even more sour, which in turn made the depression worse.

My turn around point came when I decided that I would fake being happy/enthusiastic about doing all the things I knew I should, but didn't want to do. I basically got an attitude that similar to what I assume an actor has when trying to realistically portray a role. I pretended the world was a stage, and I was playing the role of a happy person convincingly enough so that people would actually believe I was happy. (The irony about it is that I started doing it because I wanted people to stop bugging me with good advice, and just leave me along to wallow in my depression.)

The thing about it is though, that you can't play a role without trying to adopt the mindset of somebody who would actually feel whatever the role is meant to portray. That means that to convincingly "play" happy, you need to ban negative thoughts and focus on positive things in order to be able to keep up the part convincingly.
Playing happy and pretending to thinking positively in the end became such a second nature that I became happy and thought positively. The role I was playing became my reality, because -as other people have pointed out- the chemical imbalance that causes depressing is very much affected by not only what you do, but HOW you do it.

Changing the how, even if it's just forced and pretended, will affect your brain chemistry in the long run.

It took me about a year of faking it before I could feel good enough on my own to get of medication, though I started noticing positive changes before that. At the one year point, I was far from perfect, and still had occasional relapses, some of which could span several weeks of total despair, but faking it has helped me through those again.
Now, 6 years after getting of medication, I don't think I'm ever actually depressed again, not even for a moment. And I still use faking it as a tool to get me through occasional minor instances of the blues.

I don't know if a qualified therapist would recommend doing it this way - I know mine was very much against "faking it"- but it's worked for me, while I don't feel anything any of the several therapists I've had (I've been in a mental hospital from age 16 - 17) actually helped until I started "fake" applying the advice they actually gave me.

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