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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 7:54:03 AM   
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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:05:59 AM   
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Your post makes no sense because they dont make war heroes like John McCain any more, I recall how leftists howled interminably that a great war hero like he wasnt the nominee over Bush in 2000

My two points are fairly simple:
One, Sorebutt McCain's greatest accomplishment of his military service was making propaganda broadcasts for the enemy after he was taken prisoner. This makes him a traitor rather than a "great war hero". At least Hanoi Jane had the excuse that she wasn't a serving member of her country's armed forces at the time she was doing the same.

Two, during the Republican primary in 2004, Kerry (a man who had served his country during the war the chimp spent draft dodging) was completely ridiculed for the fact that he'd actually spent time in uniform serving his country's interests. I'm sure you remember those photos of idiots with purple heart plasters stuck all over their pinched, mean little faces. This makes the sudden shift to stressing the virtue of military service when the GOP couldn't find a candidate with anything else going for him one of the funniest displays of rightist hypocrisy since Gringich was waving his potty around his head and screaming because Clinton got his cock sucked by somebody other than his wife.

Clear now, or do I have to put a little video clip using glove puppets up on youtube for you?

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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:08:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Military service has absolutely nothing to do with one's ability to lead a nation. Having served in the military does not guarantee that person's mental stability and in fact has proven (as we have all seen) that it can in fact deteriorate the mental stability of those who return to civilian life. The symptoms PTSD are but one example. Government is not a military, it is a business! It would be much better served by a business savvy leader.

Most of the young people today who join the military do so, so that they can get an education and have a job for a few years along with getting valuable experience to apply when they enter the public job sector. Just because any of these people were in a given branch of military service doesn't automatically make them any more or less qualified to be POTUS, than anyone who has never joined the military.

Yet somehow pops you seem to think that being trained to squeeze a trigger makes them all the smarter for the job. Unless they can make to the highest ranks (think General) of service where they might actually lead, I fail to see any logic in your reasoning.

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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:10:05 AM   
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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:10:33 AM   
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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:12:20 AM   
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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:15:25 AM   
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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:16:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon.


I don't remember there being all the ridicule and jeering aimed at Gore's service in the technical branch in 2000 that there was at Kerry's purple heart in 2004, though. Gore's service (or otherwise) doesn't seem to have been quite the same issue for the Republicans.

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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:17:28 AM   
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Im certainly not handing out awards to Haiti or the Sudan either.

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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:17:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Pakistan is a case in point as well.
(Though military dictators have recently been removed from Iraq and Libya, I suppose.)

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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:22:29 AM   
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I'm tempted to call this a troll... but I'm going to opt for "categorically unreachable." Either way, the solution is simple: Don't feed.

Of course it is and we realise it. The problem with particular trolls is if they arent confronted and spanked with reality they keep on doing it.
Because " dumb" isnt against TOS.
This post will probably be pulled but the thread itself will stand, and people will wonder why it hasnt been challenged and so it starts again.
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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:29:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think military service should be a requirement and I also do not believe serving makes a leader. But if the politician served with honor then it should give him or her an advantage over one who has not if I believe they are equal in ability.

If possible I would want a leader who has served making decisions that may send a loved one to battle. However I still want the best leader in office that agrees with most of my views even if he or she has not served.

So bottom line service is a plus and could be a deciding factor in my vote but only if I believe they have the ability to lead this country in the right direction. As an example I respected McCain and his military record but i did not think he would lead the country in the right direction so i did not vote for him.

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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:46:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon.


I don't remember there being all the ridicule and jeering aimed at Gore's service in the technical branch in 2000 that there was at Kerry's purple heart in 2004, though. Gore's service (or otherwise) doesn't seem to have been quite the same issue for the Republicans.

If Gore had won medals for courage and gallantry in action too,he also would have been attacked as a coward by the backward republicans.

They were giving out "Purple Heart" decorated band-aids at that years Republican National Convention to mock Kerry`s service.

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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:49:05 AM   
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The problem with particular trolls is if they arent confronted and spanked with reality they keep on doing it.


I think confrontation only encourages trolls and they would stop doing it if no one responded.

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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:52:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know they were: that's why I pointed out that the sudden change of tune when the GOP scraped up somebody who'd sold out his country after trashing six or seven jets was a bit of a hypocritical u turn.

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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:55:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I was reading another thread about Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich and I was thinking that if presidential candidates were required to be military veterans maybe , just maybe we could by-pass the "deutch bag" factor.
What type of "honor" does someone like Newt Gingrich or Bill Clinton bring to the table never having served in uniform?
And, (I love this!) they're always throwing around the word, "leader" or "leadership" all the time!
Is being a little league coach considered "leadership?"
They don't realize that being president is a management job.
If you want real, fully involved, harsh leadership experience then join the military. That's where leaders come from.
Leaders are afraid too but they do their jobs sometimes under extreme conditions.
If you wanted to go into politics why wouldn't you want that experience behind you?
Wouldn't you trust a Master Seargeant in that job before someone like Bill Clinton or Barak Obama, Newt Gingrich et al?
What say you?


No, No and No. I've known too many military personnel that are idiots and unfit to lead a snail. The worst of whom were/are, in leadership positions. There is a joke about the shit getting squeezed uphill where they can do the least damage. It is a very true statement.


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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 8:59:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

bush was supposedly a "military man".....and that major fuckup caused 45 hundred GIs to lose their lives.Pretty much killed the idea that being a veteran insures a good commander.


The concept is that a "military man" would have more insight,empathy,knowledge and perhaps more success if they were in the military.President Obama has proven that one wrong.



Lol, he has?


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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 9:00:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
There is a joke about the shit getting squeezed uphill where they can do the least damage. It is a very true statement.



I've always liked this statement.....

Those that CAN, do....Those that CAN'T, lead

which is pretty much the way it works everywhere in life.....

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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 9:05:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

I know they were: that's why I pointed out that the sudden change of tune when the GOP scraped up somebody who'd sold out his country after trashing six or seven jets was a bit of a hypocritical u turn.

Just chiming in......


Harshing McCain tho is a bit unfair.

He did his best given what his situation was.During one one his torture sessions,he was hung by his hands that were tied behind his back.Even the strongest man will eventually have his arms folded up backward from their body weight,causing one or both shoulder joints to dislocate,break,tear and injure.

He never got them treated and to this day,can`t raise his arms above his head.

The man deserves respect and our thanks,even if he saw little action.Just surviving what those POWs did makes them heros, IMHO.Having his body broken and burned was just one of the horrors he survived at the hands of the VC.


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RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a... - 1/10/2012 9:06:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
There is a joke about the shit getting squeezed uphill where they can do the least damage. It is a very true statement.



I've always liked this statement.....

Those that CAN, do....Those that CAN'T, lead

which is pretty much the way it works everywhere in life.....



Indeed!

I've only met two generals that I actually gained any respect for Odierno and one who's name just totally went *poof* right outta my head.

Yet I don't know that they would be good leaders of the U.S.

I think about Patton......one of G.D.'s military heros. The guy was an asshole and half crazy......as a fox. But he would have never ever been able to be president.

Just because a person is a great leader in one arena does not mean they would be able to lead effectively in another. I think being president takes a lot more finesse than most good military leaders could manage. Although, if they've managed to gain any rank it's certain they've learned to play the political games.


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