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ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

Military service has absolutely nothing to do with one's ability to lead a nation. Having served in the military does not guarantee that person's mental stability and in fact has proven (as we have all seen) that it can in fact deteriorate the mental stability of those who return to civilian life. The symptoms PTSD are but one example. Government is not a military, it is a business! It would be much better served by a business savvy leader.

Most of the young people today who join the military do so, so that they can get an education and have a job for a few years along with getting valuable experience to apply when they enter the public job sector. Just because any of these people were in a given branch of military service doesn't automatically make them any more or less qualified to be POTUS, than anyone who has never joined the military.

Yet somehow pops you seem to think that being trained to squeeze a trigger makes them all the smarter for the job. Unless they can make to the highest ranks (think General) of service where they might actually lead, I fail to see any logic in your reasoning.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

I know they were: that's why I pointed out that the sudden change of tune when the GOP scraped up somebody who'd sold out his country after trashing six or seven jets was a bit of a hypocritical u turn.

Just chiming in......


Harshing McCain tho is a bit unfair.

He did his best given what his situation was.During one one his torture sessions,he was hung by his hands that were tied behind his back.Even the strongest man will eventually have his arms folded up backward from their body weight,causing one or both shoulder joints to dislocate,break,tear and injure.

He never got them treated and to this day,can`t raise his arms above his head.

The man deserves respect and our thanks,even if he saw little action.Just surviving what those POWs did makes them heros, IMHO.Having his body broken and burned was just one of the horrors he survived at the hands of the VC.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

Military service has absolutely nothing to do with one's ability to lead a nation. Having served in the military does not guarantee that person's mental stability and in fact has proven (as we have all seen) that it can in fact deteriorate the mental stability of those who return to civilian life. The symptoms PTSD are but one example. Government is not a military, it is a business! It would be much better served by a business savvy leader.

Most of the young people today who join the military do so, so that they can get an education and have a job for a few years along with getting valuable experience to apply when they enter the public job sector. Just because any of these people were in a given branch of military service doesn't automatically make them any more or less qualified to be POTUS, than anyone who has never joined the military.

Yet somehow pops you seem to think that being trained to squeeze a trigger makes them all the smarter for the job. Unless they can make to the highest ranks (think General) of service where they might actually lead, I fail to see any logic in your reasoning.

So then you think that someone having gone to Harvard or "Yale" is "qualified" to be president because they read a bunch of books, right?
"Hi-Ho Troops! Off to the polo fields to crush Harvard!" Yup, battle hardened.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

I know they were: that's why I pointed out that the sudden change of tune when the GOP scraped up somebody who'd sold out his country after trashing six or seven jets was a bit of a hypocritical u turn.

Just chiming in......


Harshing McCain tho is a bit unfair.

He did his best given what his situation was.During one one his torture sessions,he was hung by his hands that were tied behind his back.Even the strongest man will eventually have his arms folded up backward from their body weight,causing one or both shoulder joints to dislocate,break,tear and injure.

He never got them treated and to this day,can`t raise his arms above his head.

The man deserves respect and our thanks,even if he saw little action.Just surviving what those POWs did makes them heros, IMHO.Having his body broken and burned was just one of the horrors he survived at the hands of the VC.

I disagree on that bit, I'm afraid.
No question what was done to Sorebutt as a POW was abominable. However, what percentage of his peers who were subjected to enhanced interrogation made propaganda broadcasts?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Raiikun and I had this discussion before. He and willbe kept insisting it was due to the trust funds. They insisted those funds were part of the Unified budget... they havent been since 1990.

Not entering that debate. Simply noting that the source he cited doesn't say what he claims.

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


What type of "honor" does someone like Newt Gingrich or Bill Clinton bring to the table never having served in uniform?

Abraham Lincoln never served in uniform......

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

I know they were: that's why I pointed out that the sudden change of tune when the GOP scraped up somebody who'd sold out his country after trashing six or seven jets was a bit of a hypocritical u turn.

Just chiming in......


Harshing McCain tho is a bit unfair.

He did his best given what his situation was.During one one his torture sessions,he was hung by his hands that were tied behind his back.Even the strongest man will eventually have his arms folded up backward from their body weight,causing one or both shoulder joints to dislocate,break,tear and injure.

He never got them treated and to this day,can`t raise his arms above his head.

The man deserves respect and our thanks,even if he saw little action.Just surviving what those POWs did makes them heros, IMHO.Having his body broken and burned was just one of the horrors he survived at the hands of the VC.

I disagree on that bit, I'm afraid.
No question what was done to Sorebutt as a POW was abominable. However, what percentage of his peers who were subjected to enhanced interrogation made propaganda broadcasts?

I don`t know everything and don`t imagine I know everything but I know I`m no one to pass judgement on someone who was broken by torture.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
So then you think that someone having gone to Harvard or "Yale" is "qualified" to be president because they read a bunch of books, right?

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ORIGINAL: ScaryJello

Speaking as a military veteran (six years in the USAF and I was an NCO) I think that it is a terrible idea to make military service a requirement.  Simply serving in the military does not make a person a qualified leader.  In no way does it mystically imbue the person with the knowledge required to lead a nation.  There is no secret training on economic strategy or foreign relations.  There is no Top Secret course on domestic policy or pros and cons of abortion. 

Requiring military service is as ludicrous as requiring that he have been a postal carrier or a dog groomer.  It is silly  and a very slippery slope to start down.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Raiikun and I had this discussion before. He and willbe kept insisting it was due to the trust funds. They insisted those funds were part of the Unified budget... they havent been since 1990.

Not entering that debate. Simply noting that the source he cited doesn't say what he claims.

Erm, yes it does.

Go to the U.S. Treasury website: http://www.treasury.gov/

Scroll to the "Bureaus" section and click on "Bureau of the Public Debt" which takes you to http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/

Scroll down to the section "The U.S. Public Debt" and click on "See the U.S. Public Debt to the Penny."

Check the years in question, and you can calculate these results from the data:
FY . . . .Ending. . . . . Debt . . . . . . . . . .Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Raiikun and I had this discussion before. He and willbe kept insisting it was due to the trust funds. They insisted those funds were part of the Unified budget... they havent been since 1990.

Not entering that debate. Simply noting that the source he cited doesn't say what he claims.

Erm, yes it does.

Go to the U.S. Treasury website: http://www.treasury.gov/

Scroll to the "Bureaus" section and click on "Bureau of the Public Debt" which takes you to http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/

Scroll down to the section "The U.S. Public Debt" and click on "See the U.S. Public Debt to the Penny."

Check the years in question, and you can calculate these results from the data:
FY . . . .Ending. . . . . Debt . . . . . . . . . .Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

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ORIGINAL: ScaryJello

Speaking as a military veteran (six years in the USAF and I was an NCO) I think that it is a terrible idea to make military service a requirement.  Simply serving in the military does not make a person a qualified leader.  In no way does it mystically imbue the person with the knowledge required to lead a nation.  There is no secret training on economic strategy or foreign relations.  There is no Top Secret course on domestic policy or pros and cons of abortion. 

Requiring military service is as ludicrous as requiring that he have been a postal carrier or a dog groomer.  It is silly  and a very slippery slope to start down.