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ORIGINAL: crazyml

I think that successful business leaders get their pride from competing effectively with the competition. While I've been to some sales meetings where the team have promised to spank the competition, I'm pretty sure they don't mean,. actually spank.

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

I think that successful business leaders get their pride from competing effectively with the competition. While I've been to some sales meetings where the team have promised to spank the competition, I'm pretty sure they don't mean,. actually spank.

Let's see cause here is where it gets interesting. You have speculators who pride in ruining companies on the stockmarket. They enjoy makin money that way. Or maybe they say when I wouldnt do it somebody else will. Still they enjoy the profits. They can say I dont like ruining peoples lives but they make a living from it. You gotta follow through your actions till the end. Not stop thinking in to what you cause, because it is more covenient to your concious.
I think that is pretty sadist.

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

I think that successful business leaders get their pride from competing effectively with the competition. While I've been to some sales meetings where the team have promised to spank the competition, I'm pretty sure they don't mean,. actually spank.

Let's see cause here is where it gets interesting. You have speculators who pride in ruining companies on the stockmarket. They enjoy makin money that way. Or maybe they say when I wouldnt do it somebody else will. Still they enjoy the profits. They can say I dont like ruining peoples lives but they make a living from it. You gotta follow through your actions till the end. Not stop thinking in to what you cause, because it is more covenient to your concious.
I think that is pretty sadist.

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

I wanted to add - a lot of the self-described Sadists I've met in BDSMland are actually very respectful, good guys with morals, values, etc. They aren't cavemen runnning around hacking up puppies in the streets.
For some, they confine their sadism to just the person they're intimately with - they don't feel the same spark or drive to hurt people outside of that relationship. They wouldn't care the same way, or get the same higs, rushes, conflicts, etc.
And even for those who do play with others, they may still have a different way of playing with a closer partner. It can be an expression of trust between people, love as Aileen mentioned, power, whatever.

But it's not something worn on the sleeve in most cases. It has limited applications, and many of them control themselves with their own very distinct moral codes.

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

I wanted to add - a lot of the self-described Sadists I've met in BDSMland are actually very respectful, good guys with morals, values, etc. They aren't cavemen runnning around hacking up puppies in the streets.
For some, they confine their sadism to just the person they're intimately with - they don't feel the same spark or drive to hurt people outside of that relationship. They wouldn't care the same way, or get the same higs, rushes, conflicts, etc.
And even for those who do play with others, they may still have a different way of playing with a closer partner. It can be an expression of trust between people, love as Aileen mentioned, power, whatever.

But it's not something worn on the sleeve in most cases. It has limited applications, and many of them control themselves with their own very distinct moral codes.

I can understand that, I just agree with some selfproclaimed sadists that it is not sadistical if the other enjoys it.
I know its kinda contradictive. But BDSM carries a lot of that.
I know this is all a bit on the edge of reason and thats why it interests me.
I kinda agree you can see it simple for what it is like you do.
Its just that people are different and get the wrong idea from people calling themselves a sadist.
Maybe iff they added like I am a sadist only in relationships it would be more clear.
I know it might not sound that cool.
Still, I do not trust someone like that. I think there is a lot more depth to the sentiment then we care to admit.

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

I was military trained in torture techniques and sworn to secrecy.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

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Green is my favorite color. I see other people that wear Green, but it is not their favorite color. They like it okay, but I get that they just do not like Green as much as I do. I have often wondered if it was something in my upbringing that has made me like Green as my favorite color. I have decided that since wearing Green, and liking Green as my favorite color does not really hurt anyone, I stopped worrying so much about why I like Green. Now if it became an obsession to only wear Green, or such that my day to day life was upset because of Green, then I might examine it more closely. Until then I think I will just enjoy all the shades of Green, and not worry so much about why.

Hope my favotite color helps the OP to understand my position on his query.

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

I was military trained in torture techniques and sworn to secrecy.

I think that's it right there.  You were trained at work, and you were trained to do it effectively and well, and to not let your emotions into it at all.  As a necessary part of the training, you were made to dehumanize your subject.

A good sadist will be extremely in tune with his bottom.  He or she will be in tune with their hurting, both to make sure they don't push too far, and to collaboratively enjoy it. 

The physical act may the same as the one you were trained for, but the emotional content is worlds apart.

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
A good sadist will be extremely in tune with his bottom.  He or she will be in tune with their hurting, both to make sure they don't push too far, and to collaboratively enjoy it. 

The physical act may the same as the one you were trained for, but the emotional content is worlds apart.

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Soooo...you think a sadist has to be sadistic in an intimate relationship, be a ruthless businessman and be sadistic in all relationships in their life no matter how casual they may be (their friends, relatives, business associates) in order to claim that title?

That's just ridiculous.

I know sometimes I drag a point over the top to clarify something.
You are right, it doesnt have to work through all aspects of your being.
I just suspect it does in many cases.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

No I have been very introspective as to why I have a slight sadistic streak in me. With all the soul searching I have done in my life, it is one of those things that I found no explanation why, just something that is. Could it be something that is hardwired in some people, and other people it is something fostered? I would say yes. Are there degrees of it that can go into the unhealthy? Just like with anything, I would say yes. It is something though within me, that I have found is not unhealthy, does not seem to have been anything related to my experiences in my life, and is how I have been all my life. I enjoy a certain amount of mental sadism, as well as physical sadism, but sadism in this context is used in a non-clinical way.

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

(Just for your edification, it's 'sadistic' not 'sadistical.')

Yes, BDSM is full of cotradictions, consensual slavery, sadism, blah blah blah - but these things all work differently for differnent people.
How a sadist's partner "enjoys" the activity isn't really as simplistic as people seem to think - or it is! Certaily some masos flat out enjoy pain, and want more, more more - but others "enjoy" suffering, which isn't about enjoying something in the momet.
Still others are more inclined to endure for the person they submit to.
A lot of people are a combination of all these things.

So how do you decide what's really sadistic or not?

For me, there's a huge chunk of trust involved, and the trust has nothing to do with the sadistic aspect at all. Trust comes from understandig who I person is, how they relate to others, how honest they are, how well they keep connfidences, etc. One of the most trustworthy, cool-headed guys I've known in my life was also quite sadistic to me, within the relationship. He wasn't randomly sadistic to everyone he met.

There are such things as criminal sadists, and sometimes the line is quite fine, but most of the self-described sadists I've met just haven't been bad people.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

I think that successful business leaders get their pride from competing effectively with the competition. While I've been to some sales meetings where the team have promised to spank the competition, I'm pretty sure they don't mean,. actually spank.

Let's see cause here is where it gets interesting. You have speculators who pride in ruining companies on the stockmarket. They enjoy makin money that way. Or maybe they say when I wouldnt do it somebody else will. Still they enjoy the profits. They can say I dont like ruining peoples lives but they make a living from it. You gotta follow through your actions till the end. Not stop thinking in to what you cause, because it is more covenient to your concious.
I think that is pretty sadist.

You may well think that that is pretty sadist - but you ought to prepare yourself for the possibility that your definition of "sadism" is a poor one.

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I can be sadistical at work without gettin in trouble or anyone ever knowing I was. And get my victim fired just for the fun of seeing his life ruined.
Just a hypothetical example BTW.

That's not being a sadist. That's being an ass.

Well business is war they say, call Bill Gates an ass, cause he takes pride and probably a lot of enjoyment in ruining the competition. Edit: Anyway a sadist is someone who enjoys hurting other people right?(or beings like animals woops forgot about that)