xssve
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ORIGINAL: MrBukani
I agree there is more levels to it, good post. But this is more from the masochist point of view. I would really like to hear from a fullblown sadist POV. We all know the stories of kids enjoying the torture of ants or spiders or what not. How does it feel? What extend does it have etc. etc. etc.
What was your first experience to liking it?
color me blind or ignorant, I am just interested.
I do not mean to offend just because I think offense is the best defense.
Sado-masochism, in the BDSM sense, is a form of dyad, you can't separate the sadist from the masochist, they complement each other form an organic whole, which is why it's still sadism, even if the masochist enjoys it - it's still pain, the sadist still enjoys inflicting it, the masochist just doesn't call the cops.
Hard to say if the sadist would enjoy it as much without the masochist, if they did, we would be more inclined to qualify it as psychopathy - there are sadistic psychopaths, and there are sadists who aren't psychopaths, you throw in sexual response, and it rapidly grows in complexity, and defies oversimplification because there are whole other sets of psychosocial stimulus/response to consider.
And, it's hard to discuss without violating the terms of the TOS - suffice it to say that we form impressions at an early age, and it doesn't have to be anything heinous or profound, i.e., abuse, it can be quite subtle, even below conscious awareness.
It's why I picked this post, the ant killing thing, it's a power trip, power over another life, and it's considered a relatively normal phase of social development - as omnivores, we do kill and eat things, even plants are alive, and we kill them and eat them - it's a survival thing, we can't afford to be too precious about it, it not dissimilar to way cats toy with their prey, it's a learning process.
And by the same token, we form attachments to suffering, we are wired to detect distress - people who know nothing about babies can tell the difference between a baby crying from hunger or discomfort and a cry of genuine distress, that's part of the normal development of empathetic response, compassion, and you need that too - a healthy organism typically learns to get the job done without inflicting undue suffering in the process, but that cruelty remains part of that process.
i.e., how much of growing up male involves "toughening up"? There's a lot of cruelty rationalized in that manner - where do you draw the line between what is necessary and what is merely gratuitous? And, if it's necessary, somebody has to do it, and there will be people who are good at it and specialize in it - they love their work - Drill Sergeant's are notorious sadists, but it's their job, it's a means to an end.
Again, back to the developmental stage, we tend to inflict far more mental cruelty on one another than we do physical cruelty, we do that routinely, and in some cases, the physical cruelty that come later is merely a symbolic externalization of that inner pain, which if kept within the context of the reasonable limits in a social relationship, can be healthy, even cathartic.
And it why it important to set those boundaries, discuss them, push them back and forth a little, because it's a tightrope: there is a line there somewhere, and nobody can say exactly where it is - but even in a martial context, it's very hard to ignore once that line is crossed - everybody knows it.
It's an evolutionary, group fitness thing.
< Message edited by xssve -- 2/6/2012 6:15:23 AM >
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