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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 9:26:06 AM   
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Careful there Michael. The Fundies will start calling you a "Pro Abortion Liberal"



Nah. I like to think I'm pretty evel-headed about it. Even when I was anti-abortion, I was "Pro choice before conception. Pro life, after."

Something that never gets talked about is that Planned Parenthood fights, vehemently for abortion but doesn't put much effort into fighting for the ability to provide pregnancy tests. Why is that?

Why do we not here more about them going out and beating the bushes to get more funding for birth control instead of just (seemingly so) harping on abortion. This is what I mean by "blood-thirsty".

Anyone who isn't a sociopathic reprobate should agree that birth control is better than abortion.

It's more humane. Most forms of birth control aren't "ending a life" (I'm speaking to the people like me who believe life begins at conception); they're preventing the life from being started and I'm all for it. I always have been.



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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 9:28:36 AM   
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Well, you didn't address the birth defect baby, but I think we have a workable compromise. Given how far apart we often are politically, I suspect that compromise would fly with 80% of the US population.
Of course, there are a lot of people who make a lot of money off of arguing the issue, and a lot of folks use it for votes, so we will never see an intelligent compromise like that...sigh.


I have to admit that I have a problem with the birth defect thing. To my mind, it gets dangerously close to eugenics and I have a huge problem with eugenics.



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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 9:41:35 AM   
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Well, you didn't address the birth defect baby, but I think we have a workable compromise. Given how far apart we often are politically, I suspect that compromise would fly with 80% of the US population.
Of course, there are a lot of people who make a lot of money off of arguing the issue, and a lot of folks use it for votes, so we will never see an intelligent compromise like that...sigh.


I have to admit that I have a problem with the birth defect thing. To my mind, it gets dangerously close to eugenics and I have a huge problem with eugenics.



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I agree with that too. It would be really tough to draw the line, and would probably be another big kerflufle, although at least we would not be holding so many lives hostage on the result. I do think that on that you have to give some credit to parents, and let them choose for themselves. A defect that we might consider minor, such as down syndrome, might still be too much for a poor single mother to handle, while another family with more resources might choose to have a child with no arms or legs and love and care for him/her.
Note, I am absolutely not going to agree with sex choice abortions, etc.
That said, I think my family has more right to talk about this than most pro-life folks. My sister is adopted, a refuge from China's "one-child," policy. Her adoption (at 12 or 13, we are not completely sure what her age was because of the circumstances of her transfer to the orphanage) meant one less abortion in China. How many pro-life folks can say that?

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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 10:02:33 AM   
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do you know the difference between a right and a privilege?

states grant privileges NOT rights.

There is no reason for the state to grant anything that is not commercial.

On the other hand why arent you pissing for the advancement of private rights, such that the state will not prosecute those who practice privately?

Everything in your world must be by permission of the state apparently huh.



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http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-mississippi-abortion-issue-20120406,0,4316068.story?track=lat-pick

Oh, that's right. They're still not happy that their slaves are free. So it's not surprising how they feel about woman's rights, is it?

And again, these "I continue to believe that every life begins at conception" retards don't even know enough science to know that the egg and sperm are both alive BEFORE conception. Fucking morons.

Anti-Family-Planning, because Family Planning gives women freedom.



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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 10:13:19 AM   
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To me, Pro-choice includes women having a safe place to go, if their choice is abortion. I think we are just using different words to express the same feeling.

As for the "most aint happy the slaves are free" comment, as a born n bred southerner, that offends the fuck outa me.


Well, then Anti-Family-Planners offend the fuck out of you. They annoy the shit out of me, too. And their position on woman is exactly the same as any other chattel slave who is incompetent to see after themselves.

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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 10:18:13 AM   
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Do you have some sort of weird definition of family planning where reproductive healthcare ISN'T part of family planning or something?



Your trouble is you're trying to equate family planning with abortion. They are NOT synonymous.



They are not synonymous. But you can't deliver comprehensive family planning services without abortion services.

Try as you like to PRETEND you're in favor of freedom for woman, the truth is that you do NOT believe in UNFETTERED ACCESS TO FAMILY PLANNING SERVICES.

You're the one trying to 'carve out' Abortion from family planning. Why would you do that? Gynecologists don't, so there must be a NON-SCIENTIFIC reason behind your word games. Perhaps just being honest with yourself is too painful?

Anyone who doesn't believe in unfettered access to family planning services doesn't deserve to participate in 21st century society. They should go live back in slave days, when you could pick up fetters at the blacksmith shop...



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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 10:20:18 AM   
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To me, Pro-choice includes women having a safe place to go, if their choice is abortion. I think we are just using different words to express the same feeling.

As for the "most aint happy the slaves are free" comment, as a born n bred southerner, that offends the fuck outa me.


Well, then Anti-Family-Planners offend the fuck out of you. They annoy the shit out of me, too. And their position on woman is exactly the same as any other chattel slave who is incompetent to see after themselves.



and that is not the position of the gubafia at large? and force us to pay for it

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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 10:21:42 AM   
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Do you have some sort of weird definition of family planning where reproductive healthcare ISN'T part of family planning or something?



Your trouble is you're trying to equate family planning with abortion. They are NOT synonymous.



They are not synonymous. But you can't deliver comprehensive family planning services without abortion services.

Try as you like to PRETEND you're in favor of freedom for woman, the truth is that you do NOT believe in UNFETTERED ACCESS TO FAMILY PLANNING SERVICES.

You're the one trying to 'carve out' Abortion from family planning. Why would you do that? Gynecologists don't, so there must be a NON-SCIENTIFIC reason behind your word games. Perhaps just being honest with yourself is too painful?

Anyone who doesn't believe in unfettered access to family planning services doesn't deserve to participate in 21st century society. They should go live back in slave days, when you could pick up fetters at the blacksmith shop...




arent you on a roll today!

try not getting fucking pregnant!

you got the right to get pregnant and you want to abolish the obligation that condition carries.

So if I dont want to pay extra medicare for your ass can we abort you so we do not need to stand up to that obligation as well?







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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 10:23:54 AM   
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At 8 weeks old, a fetus has a response to pain in the palm of their hand.



I'd LOVE to see the peer-reviewed citation for that study. PLEASE PROVIDE A CITATION OR RETRACT THIS RETARDED NONSENSE!

( Here's a picture of an 8 week old fetus. )

The embryo measures 13 mm (1/2 inch) in length.
Lungs begin to form.
The brain continues to develop.
Arms and legs have lengthened with foot and hand areas distinguishable.
The hands and feet have digits, but may still be webbed.
The gonadal ridge begins to be perceptible.
The lymphatic system begins to develop.
Main development of external genitalia starts.






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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 10:25:02 AM   
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Do you have some sort of weird definition of family planning where reproductive healthcare ISN'T part of family planning or something?



Your trouble is you're trying to equate family planning with abortion. They are NOT synonymous.



They are not synonymous. But you can't deliver comprehensive family planning services without abortion services.

Try as you like to PRETEND you're in favor of freedom for woman, the truth is that you do NOT believe in UNFETTERED ACCESS TO FAMILY PLANNING SERVICES.

You're the one trying to 'carve out' Abortion from family planning. Why would you do that? Gynecologists don't, so there must be a NON-SCIENTIFIC reason behind your word games. Perhaps just being honest with yourself is too painful?

Anyone who doesn't believe in unfettered access to family planning services doesn't deserve to participate in 21st century society. They should go live back in slave days, when you could pick up fetters at the blacksmith shop...




Actually Fargle, I would like to be able to pick up fetters at the blacksmith shop. I'm a dom into bondage, so...
(sorry Fargle, I couldn't resist).

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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 10:28:55 AM   
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Careful there Michael. The Fundies will start calling you a "Pro Abortion Liberal"



Nah. I like to think I'm pretty evel-headed about it. Even when I was anti-abortion, I was "Pro choice before conception. Pro life, after."

Something that never gets talked about is that Planned Parenthood fights, vehemently for abortion but doesn't put much effort into fighting for the ability to provide pregnancy tests. Why is that?

Why do we not here more about them going out and beating the bushes to get more funding for birth control instead of just (seemingly so) harping on abortion. This is what I mean by "blood-thirsty".

Anyone who isn't a sociopathic reprobate should agree that birth control is better than abortion.

It's more humane. Most forms of birth control aren't "ending a life" (I'm speaking to the people like me who believe life begins at conception); they're preventing the life from being started and I'm all for it. I always have been.



Peace and comfort,



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keep in mind that R v W was all about the point at which the child is a "person" and a person in law is one who can be free. You cannot enslave the unborn therefore you cannot franchise the unborn, and in law the unborn do not exist as a "legal" PERSON.

They are however a living child, fetus whatever. The state does not give a flying fuck about that because it cannot get jurisdiction till it hits the table!

as usual its a fucking gubafia play on words in lego-land.

well correction, you cant enslave the unborn easily. You can do it through the parents and a serious of judicial presumptions through an allegiance bond to the lord. (national debt)







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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 10:30:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, that's the whole point. Since they can't advocate UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services, that means they WANT WOMAN IN CHAINS as they get family planning services.

Do you think I'm talking about Anti-Family-Planning == Chattel Slavery as if it's some sort of metaphor?

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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 10:32:26 AM   
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They are not synonymous. But you can't deliver comprehensive family planning services without abortion services.



Actually Fargle, I would like to be able to pick up fetters at the blacksmith shop. I'm a dom into bondage, so...
(sorry Fargle, I couldn't resist).


Since the word "planning" suggests forethought, lumping abortion in with "Family Planning" is bullshit. It's more accurately: "Family (Oh-Shit!-I-Don't-Want-To-Have-A-Family) Engineering"

Let's call it what it is: "Oh shit! I'm an irresponsible fuck-wit and now, I need an 'escape hatch'!"



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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 10:35:30 AM   
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No, that's the whole point. Since they can't advocate UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services, that means they WANT WOMAN IN CHAINS as they get family planning services.

Do you think I'm talking about Anti-Family-Planning == Chattel Slavery as if it's some sort of metaphor?



they want everyone in chains LOL

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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 10:36:03 AM   
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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 10:39:09 AM   
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they want everyone in chains LOL


"You must be raped by a medical tech before you get an abortion" and "You must watch this DVD before you can have a medical procedure" are compelling someone to do a non-necessary task, against their will, and with no medical benefit since the doctor has already obtained informed consent?

What do you call it?

I call that "Treating women like breeding stock, and not believing their smart enough to manage their own family planning"



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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 10:41:29 AM   
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Since the word "planning" suggests forethought, lumping abortion in with "Family Planning" is bullshit. It's more accurately: "Family (Oh-Shit!-I-Don't-Want-To-Have-A-Family) Engineering"

Let's call it what it is: "Oh shit! I'm an irresponsible fuck-wit and now, I need an 'escape hatch'!"



I understand the defect in your reasoning! You don't understand that abortion isn't just for ending an unwanted pregnancy, but it's also used for many other purposes. NOT THAT THE REASON A PATIENT OBTAINS A MEDICAL PROCEDURE IS ANY FUCKING BUSINESS OF YOURS.

And that's another defect in your reasoning. You sincerely believe that YOUR OPINION is relevant to another person's medical care.

That's un-excusably rude.

Didn't your Mother bother to teach you to MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS?

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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 10:52:13 AM   
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they want everyone in chains LOL


"You must be raped by a medical tech before you get an abortion" and "You must watch this DVD before you can have a medical procedure" are compelling someone to do a non-necessary task, against their will, and with no medical benefit since the doctor has already obtained informed consent?

What do you call it?

I call that "Treating women like breeding stock, and not believing their smart enough to manage their own family planning"





well people in america are foolish enough to think freedom is something OTHER than a franchise not to be in chains, after all thats just old obsolete sheat!


acording to law.com dictionary

Person is defined as:
1) a human being. 2) a corporation treated as having the ... etc

LINK:
http://dictionary.law.com/default2.a...0&submit1.y=16

they gave no definition of 'human being' however in Ballantine's Law dictionary
'human being' is defined as 'monster'

'monster' is further defined as:
a human being by birth but in some part resembling a lower animal ... a monster hath no inheritable blood, and cannot be heir to any land, albeit brought forth in marriage


its the kings law that runs outside the fundamental law of nature.

nice huh? Notice the states abolished any way to get "BACK" to it.... get my drift.



which is exactly how you treat this matter, nothing more than animals.

see below



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abortion isn't just for ending an unwanted pregnancy, but it's also used for many other purposes.



all morally bankrupt reasons


why should the gubafia take a higher road than you?







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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 11:00:15 AM   
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RE: Go Fuck Yourself, Mississippi. Why do you hate women? - 4/7/2012 11:02:07 AM   
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They are not synonymous. But you can't deliver comprehensive family planning services without abortion services.



Actually Fargle, I would like to be able to pick up fetters at the blacksmith shop. I'm a dom into bondage, so...
(sorry Fargle, I couldn't resist).


Since the word "planning" suggests forethought, lumping abortion in with "Family Planning" is bullshit. It's more accurately: "Family (Oh-Shit!-I-Don't-Want-To-Have-A-Family) Engineering"

Let's call it what it is: "Oh shit! I'm an irresponsible fuck-wit and now, I need an 'escape hatch'!"



Peace and comfort,



Michael


While I kinda agree with you, (and btw your reasoning applies to many uses of the morning after pill too), I think family planning as broadly understood includes planning for what you do after you make a mistake. I can provide financial planning for someone who forgot to pay their car insurance and then totaled their car. It would certainly have been a lot cheaper and better all around if they either had paid for insurance, or not driven without, but that doesn't mean it is too late for me to help them.
At the end of the day, either we force women to raise children they don't want, and don't feel they can take care of, or we do not. I suspect that the world where we do isn't a picnic for either the mothers or the children involved. Then again, some people argue that it is better to live a life of misery than not to have lived at all...

(and don't bother talking about adoption as an alternative to abortion, unless the adoption agency agrees to pay all medical bills, wages for lost work, liability insurance for future costs of the birth and if requested provide a C-section a few weeks early to reduce strain on the mom).

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