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SternSkipper -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 4:20:21 PM)

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But they taste sooooooo good when you put them on the barbie with some shrimp.


Is that done like shrimp rolled in cat strip with like a toothpick or is this some kind of surf n' turf medley thing?




thompsonx -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 4:23:59 PM)


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But they taste sooooooo good when you put them on the barbie with some shrimp.


Is that done like shrimp rolled in cat strip with like a toothpick or is this some kind of surf n' turf medley thing?


Once slaughtered and butchered it is impossible to tell the difference between rabbit and cat except to a vet or someone quite familiar with the two critters. The difference is in the shape of the breast bone...taste same same.
Yes it is the surf and chicken thingie.





kalikshama -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 4:25:50 PM)

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Trust me, I get that. Which is why I express my surprise that anyone gay would want to work on his campaign. He has never been, is currently not, and never will be a champion of gay rights.


Tell that to the 1994 Romney:

[image]http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web05/2012/5/9/22/enhanced-buzz-22089-1336617374-0.jpg[/image]

And the 2002 Romney:

[image]http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web03/2012/5/9/22/enhanced-buzz-10631-1336617158-1.jpg[/image]




tj444 -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 4:31:46 PM)


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I still can't get over the fact that a gay male was, up until recently, working on Romney's campaign.

really? so what? did someone force him to work for Romney?.. its nothing to compare to Andrew Young pretending to be dating Reile Hunter and knocking her up when all along he was covering for John Edwards who was the real one cheating on his sick wife with her.. and all the muck with that whole affair.. million bucks stolen, a public trial..

there is sleeze on both sides.. jmo..

My post is not about one "side" vs the "other", whatever you even mean by that.

My point is really quite specific. We have a man who bullied gay teens when he was young. I am surprised anyone who is gay would want to work for/with someone like that. A very limited point. Nowhere in my post am I talking about anything beyond that.

As a bisexual, I would not want to be working with/for someone (anyone) who I found out used to physically attack people who were gay/lesbian for no other reason than they are not allowed to "look different". That is what I'm saying. It doesn't have anything to do with "sides".

oh I know you want to bash Romney and all Rs where ever you can and pretend that the Ds are all lily white and ignore their faults and transgressions when it suits you.. you wonder why a gay man would work for him? yet you dont wonder why women worked for womanizing user sleazoid Democrats like Edwards and Clinton, all the way back to JFK?.. its the exact same thing..


So now we are comparing CONSENSUAL sexual acts between adults to physically attacking someone gay because they look "different". You can't be serious?

Why are you even on this site if you don't believe in consensual sexual acts between two adults?

And if it is adultery that is your issue, then I suggest you leave that to the couple involved. Marriages and relationships are complicated things, and I don't think it is for anyone outside the relationship to judge what happens over the course of a marriage/relationship. Monogamy is an issue that many couples struggle with - and not all are successful. I don't put failure at monogamy in the same category as physically attacking a gay person for being "different". Not to mention many married people don't even believe in monogamy.

For those of you who equate these acts (gay bashing with consensual sex between two adults), then fine. Obviously for YOU, these are equally egregious. [&:]

OMFG.. you dont get it.. its nothing to do with consensual acts or any of the other bs you are trying to go on about.. we all get that you wouldnt work for Romney.. The gay guy had his reasons for working for Romney just like women had their reasons for working for sleazoid womanizing Democrats that they had to fight off all the time.. or just as Young had his reasons for working for Edwards.. they are his reasons, not yours.. maybe the gay guy was a Republican.. maybe he needed a job and it was as good as any other job.. maybe he took the job to make more connections.. whatever the reasons he had were his, not yours..




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 4:33:10 PM)


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Trust me, I get that. Which is why I express my surprise that anyone gay would want to work on his campaign. He has never been, is currently not, and never will be a champion of gay rights.


Tell that to the 1994 Romney:


Well, I guess he tried...and just couldn't quite stomach it....[&:]




epiphiny43 -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 4:36:00 PM)

That was before he had professional national political coaching. And anyone even imagined the Religious Right, which has co-opted the Republican Party, would accept a Heretic (Mormon) as their flag carrier. But all the natural candidates for their allegiance have self-destructed or publicly been seen mouth breathing, so he's now reading the scripts he's handed like a good little candidate. We'll see what dancing and jigging happens when the above posters are shown on TV by those nasty Democrats.




kalikshama -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 4:44:03 PM)

I once got some yakitori from an Okinawan street cart and noted at the time that it was not chicken, pork, or beef.

I'm not sure what the "jungle meat" given to me by a Guyami Indian in Costa Rica was, either. Might have been this:

[image]http://www.costaricajourneys.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/peccary-in-Costa-Rica.jpg[/image]




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 4:49:01 PM)

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I still can't get over the fact that a gay male was, up until recently, working on Romney's campaign.

really? so what? did someone force him to work for Romney?.. its nothing to compare to Andrew Young pretending to be dating Reile Hunter and knocking her up when all along he was covering for John Edwards who was the real one cheating on his sick wife with her.. and all the muck with that whole affair.. million bucks stolen, a public trial..

there is sleeze on both sides.. jmo..

My post is not about one "side" vs the "other", whatever you even mean by that.

My point is really quite specific. We have a man who bullied gay teens when he was young. I am surprised anyone who is gay would want to work for/with someone like that. A very limited point. Nowhere in my post am I talking about anything beyond that.

As a bisexual, I would not want to be working with/for someone (anyone) who I found out used to physically attack people who were gay/lesbian for no other reason than they are not allowed to "look different". That is what I'm saying. It doesn't have anything to do with "sides".

oh I know you want to bash Romney and all Rs where ever you can and pretend that the Ds are all lily white and ignore their faults and transgressions when it suits you.. you wonder why a gay man would work for him? yet you dont wonder why women worked for womanizing user sleazoid Democrats like Edwards and Clinton, all the way back to JFK?.. its the exact same thing..


So now we are comparing CONSENSUAL sexual acts between adults to physically attacking someone gay because they look "different". You can't be serious?

Why are you even on this site if you don't believe in consensual sexual acts between two adults?

And if it is adultery that is your issue, then I suggest you leave that to the couple involved. Marriages and relationships are complicated things, and I don't think it is for anyone outside the relationship to judge what happens over the course of a marriage/relationship. Monogamy is an issue that many couples struggle with - and not all are successful. I don't put failure at monogamy in the same category as physically attacking a gay person for being "different". Not to mention many married people don't even believe in monogamy.

For those of you who equate these acts (gay bashing with consensual sex between two adults), then fine. Obviously for YOU, these are equally egregious. [&:]

OMFG.. you dont get it.. its nothing to do with consensual acts or any of the other bs you are trying to go on about.. we all get that you wouldnt work for Romney.. The gay guy had his reasons for working for Romney just like women had their reasons for working for sleazoid womanizing Democrats that they had to fight off all the time.. or just as Young had his reasons for working for Edwards.. they are his reasons, not yours.. maybe the gay guy was a Republican.. maybe he needed a job and it was as good as any other job.. maybe he took the job to make more connections.. whatever the reasons he had were his, not yours..

I understand YOU feel these two things are the same therefore you think women working for Edwards are the same as gay people working for Romney. I understand your position. BUT, your position only holds logically if you think asking a woman to sleep with you (and having her say yes) is the same as physically attacking someone for looking "different". So, please explain to me why asking a woman to sleep with you (and having her say yes) is the same as physically attacking someone for looking "different"? Because if they are NOT the same then you are comparing apples to oranges when you raise the issue of women working for Edwards. So AGAIN, please explain why having consensual sex is the SAME in YOUR mind as physically ATTACKING (against their will) a gay person simply because they "LOOK DIFFERENT".

(For the record YOU are the one who raised the issue of consensual acts by talking about Edwards sleeping with women - all of which were CONSENSUAL acts. I did not mention Edwards - YOU did. I'm only responding to what you wrote. If YOU don't want to talk about consensual acts, then stop going on and on about Edwards unless what you really want to talk about is campaign finance abuse. But you seem to be focused on the "womanizing". So I guess any man who goes after more than one woman in his life is the same in your mind as a person who physically attacks a gay person. Wow.)

And for the record, I wouldn't want to work for Edwards either. But that has NOTHING to do with his womanizing that you are so fixated on. Again, this is not about "sides" for me. This is about the issue of gay-bashing.





kalikshama -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 4:58:29 PM)

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We'll see what dancing and jigging happens when the above posters are shown on TV by those nasty Democrats.


I'm looking for a graphic of the timeline for Facebook.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/a-mitt-romney-gay-rights-timeline isn't pithy enough.

Apparently 2012 Romney doesn't remember 2002 Romney:

"My position is the same on gay marriage as it's been, well, from the beginning, and that is that marriage is a relation between a man and a woman," Mitt Romney said Wednesday. "That's the posture that I had as governor and I have that today."

How the gay marriage issue could play:

http://theweek.com/article/index/227836/obamas-gay-marriage-evolution-a-political-win-for-mitt-romney






tj444 -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 5:05:34 PM)


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OMFG.. you dont get it.. its nothing to do with consensual acts or any of the other bs you are trying to go on about.. we all get that you wouldnt work for Romney.. The gay guy had his reasons for working for Romney just like women had their reasons for working for sleazoid womanizing Democrats that they had to fight off all the time.. or just as Young had his reasons for working for Edwards.. they are his reasons, not yours.. maybe the gay guy was a Republican.. maybe he needed a job and it was as good as any other job.. maybe he took the job to make more connections.. whatever the reasons he had were his, not yours..

I understand YOU feel these two things are the same therefore you think women working for Edwards are the same as gay people working for Romney. I understand your position. BUT, your position only holds logically if you think asking a woman to sleep with you (and having her say yes) is the same as physically attacking someone for looking "different". So, please explain to me why asking a woman to sleep with you (and having her say yes) is the same as physically attacking someone for looking "different"? Because if they are NOT the same then you are comparing apples to oranges when you raise the issue of women working for Edwards. So AGAIN, please explain why having consensual sex is the SAME in YOUR mind as physically ATTACKING (against their will) a gay person simply because they "LOOK DIFFERENT".

(For the record YOU are the one who raised the issue of consensual acts by talking about Edwards sleeping with women - all of which were CONSENSUAL acts. I did not mention Edwards - YOU did. I'm only responding to what you wrote. If YOU don't want to talk about consensual acts, then stop going on and on about Edwards unless what you really want to talk about is campaign finance abuse. But you seem to be focused on the "womanizing". So I guess any man who goes after more than one woman in his life is the same in your mind as a person who physically attacks a gay person. Wow.)

wow, again with the bs..

you are the one that has the problem with a gay guy working for Romney.. if the gay guy had a big problem with it he wouldnt have taken and kept the job.. maybe he didnt see Romney at that time as being anti-gay like you do.. but the gay guy would be in a much better position to decide that, since he was working with him every day.. Again, he had his reasons for working there and continuing to work there..

No, i didnt bring up consensual acts by talking about Edwards, its not about the cheating, its about the cover up.. Young worked for him, did his bidding, covered for the guy and kept covering and working for him for whatever Youngs reasons were.. and women that worked for other womanizing democrats that had to endure looking the other way and covering for their bosses that had a revolving door of women coming thru did that work for their reasons.. Not work i would have wanted to do but i am not them.. That was my point, you arent the gay guy, your reasons for not working there are not his reasons..




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 5:14:27 PM)

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wow, again with the bs..

you are the one that has the problem with a gay guy working for Romney.. if the gay guy had a big problem with it he wouldnt have taken and kept the job.. maybe he didnt see Romney at that time as being anti-gay like you do.. but the gay guy would be in a much better position to decide that, since he was working with him every day.. Again, he had his reasons for working there and continuing to work there..

No, i didnt bring up consensual acts by talking about Edwards, its not about the cheating, its about the cover up.. Young worked for him, did his bidding, covered for the guy and kept covering and working for him for whatever Youngs reasons were.. and women that worked for other womanizing democrats that had to endure looking the other way and covering for their bosses that had a revolving door of women coming thru did that work for their reasons.. Not work i would have wanted to do but i am not them.. That was my point, you arent the gay guy, your reasons for not working there are not his reasons..

If your issue is Young then just say that and stop blathering on about "womanizing" (your word by the way, not mine).

Again, working for a "womanizer" is NOT the same thing. You are not articulating any reason for why you think it is the same. Why do you keep raising the issue of all the women who have worked for Edwards???????? Why is this relevant??????????

I am NOT talking about the specific guy who worked for Romney - it should have been obvious that the original comment is a general one. I'm sure he had his reasons for working there, but obviously those reasons had nothing to do with supporting gay rights. My point is IF YOU SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS YOU WOULD NOT WORK FOR ROMNEY.

If you can't answer any of the questions that I have repeatedly asked you, then please spare us all another post. I've asked you to clarify several things that you are unable to do. So obviously you have no answer to make your position logical, so you keep blathering on about the same things. Answer my questions. And if you can't answer them, not my problem. Done with this.




dcnovice -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 5:20:13 PM)

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oh I know you want to bash Romney and all Rs where ever you can and pretend that the Ds are all lily white and ignore their faults and transgressions when it suits you.. you wonder why a gay man would work for him? yet you dont wonder why women worked for womanizing user sleazoid Democrats like Edwards and Clinton, all the way back to JFK?.. its the exact same thing..


I'm no fan of womanizing, but I do see a difference between someone's personal transgressions (which I may deplore) and his or her policy stances. As was his right and for whatever his reasons, Grenell took a job as a spokesperson for a candidate who's made no small effort to stake out antigay positions--and who doesn't seem to have stood by Grenell in the face of homophobic attacks. As a gay man myself, I find Grenell's choice puzzling.




SternSkipper -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 5:24:35 PM)

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Once slaughtered and butchered it is impossible to tell the difference between rabbit and cat except to a vet or someone quite familiar with the two critters. The difference is in the shape of the breast bone...taste same same.
Yes it is the surf and chicken thingie.


I just never want to see this again after stuffing myself
[image]http://bp0.blogger.com/_rFCWMKbBjvs/R-uf62bwszI/AAAAAAAABlo/AvOoYyrsEQ8/s400/wasnt_chicken+fortune+cookie.jpg[/image]




Hillwilliam -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 5:27:15 PM)

Remember this.

You will never see a feral cat outside a Chinese Buffet. [8|]




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 5:33:56 PM)


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I once got some yakitori from an Okinawan street cart and noted at the time that it was not chicken, pork, or beef.

I'm not sure what the "jungle meat" given to me by a Guyami Indian in Costa Rica was, either.


Well now you've gone and done it to yourself. Now you'll NEVER be able to run for President [&:]




tj444 -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 5:35:42 PM)


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If your issue is Young then just say that and stop blathering on about "womanizing" (your word by the way, not mine).

Again, working for a "womanizer" is NOT the same thing. You are not articulating any reason for why you think it is the same. Why do you keep raising the issue of all the women who have worked for Edwards???????? Why is this relevant??????????

I am NOT talking about the specific guy who worked for Romney - it should have been obvious that the original comment is a general one. I'm sure he had his reasons for working there, but obviously those reasons had nothing to do with supporting gay rights. My point is IF YOU SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS YOU WOULD NOT WORK FOR ROMNEY.

If you can't answer any of the questions that I have repeatedly asked you, then please spare us all another post. I've asked you to clarify several things that you are unable to do. So obviously you have no answer to make your position logical, so you keep blathering on about the same things. Answer my questions. And if you can't answer them, not my problem. Done with this.

I am not going to go into all the ridiculous things you have twisted my posts into.. my point has been the same thing right from the start.. people work at jobs for their own reasons, whatever those happen to be..

again,.. just because you wouldnt work for Romney doesnt mean other gay people see him the way you do and not work for him, or straight people that support gay rights wouldnt work for him.. I guess you think this gay guy and all the people that work for Romney are anti-gay rights or no one would ever work for him..

How do you know the people you work with, your bosses, the corporation that writes your pay checks support gay rights? How does anyone even know that about their bosses or the companies they work for? if they find out their bosses are anti-gay rights (or anti-female rights or anti whatever), you expect them to all walk offand quit a paycheck in protest? because saying no one that supports gay rights would work for Romney is saying no one that supports gay rights would work for any boss or company that didnt support gay rights.. few people can afford to do that, could you?




kalikshama -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 5:38:18 PM)

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Well now you've gone and done it to yourself. Now you'll NEVER be able to run for President [&:]


Thank goodness.

Back on topic:

Mitt Romney's 'vicious' high-school bullying: Is his apology sufficient?

Mitt Romney apologized Thursday for "hijinks and pranks" he pulled nearly 50 years ago at his elite Michigan prep school — episodes dug up by The Washington Post in a lengthy investigative report. In one of the incidents, Romney, then a high school senior, and some of his friends held down a classmate — who some believed to be gay — and forcibly cut his bleached blond hair. "He can't look like that," a Romney friend recalls the future presidential candidate saying. "That's wrong. Just look at him!" Later, the Post reports, the crying boy "screamed for help" as "Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors." Romney's childhood friends — five of them corroborated the tale — described the incident as "senseless," "stupid," "idiotic," and "vicious." Romney himself says he doesn't remember the 1965 encounter, but concedes that he "did some things" in his teens, and is sorry if he offended anyone. Will Romney's apology suffice?

Read more: http://theweek.com/article/briefing_blog/261/the-romney-campaign






fucktoyprincess -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 5:38:45 PM)

If you don't want to engage in the debate that is your choice. Done.




SternSkipper -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 5:38:54 PM)

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oh I know you want to bash Romney and all Rs where ever you can and pretend that the Ds are all lily white and ignore their faults and transgressions when it suits you.. you wonder why a gay man would work for him? yet you dont wonder why women worked for womanizing user sleazoid Democrats like Edwards and Clinton, all the way back to JFK?.. its the exact same thing..


That's pretty oversimplified. And I won't bother rehashing the details of what I find wrong with each of these democrats you mention, I will say though that my opinions can be searched up right here.
And to be honest, I was thinking of this as fluff earlier, mainly because I think of Mitt Romney is perhaps the most PREPOSTEROUS OFFERING the GOP has ever shot our way for deeper reasons than this event.
But ya know, given the waffle act this guy has so consistently demonstrated. I think I'm pretty clear Romney's got a lasting contempt for gays as well. I was already to put it off to teenage misdeeds that maybe like many of us we evolve out of.
But you know what? I unlike you, and for that matter most on this forum have been the guy's constituent and been a direct beneficiary of his mismanagement of my state. So I think I will firmly ad ANTI-GAY to the list and be happy with it.
And you know what else? I happen to like the way I express my disdain for politicians I feel to be assholes. Cause unlike my opponents, who more and more seem to be smothering in overt anger. I'm good with the "make em a laughing stock" policy.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 5:46:09 PM)


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Thank goodness.

Back on topic:

Mitt Romney's 'vicious' high-school bullying: Is his apology sufficient?

Mitt Romney apologized Thursday for "hijinks and pranks" he pulled nearly 50 years ago at his elite Michigan prep school — episodes dug up by The Washington Post in a lengthy investigative report. In one of the incidents, Romney, then a high school senior, and some of his friends held down a classmate — who some believed to be gay — and forcibly cut his bleached blond hair. "He can't look like that," a Romney friend recalls the future presidential candidate saying. "That's wrong. Just look at him!" Later, the Post reports, the crying boy "screamed for help" as "Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors." Romney's childhood friends — five of them corroborated the tale — described the incident as "senseless," "stupid," "idiotic," and "vicious." Romney himself says he doesn't remember the 1965 encounter, but concedes that he "did some things" in his teens, and is sorry if he offended anyone. Will Romney's apology suffice?

Read more: http://theweek.com/article/briefing_blog/261/the-romney-campaign


I am very much against bullying (of any sort) in schools. And I also support gay rights. Back when Romney did this, there were no laws protecting people's sexual orientation. There were also no protections against bullying in the schools. Today is a different landscape. Romney was engaging in behavior that today would actually be illegal in some jurisdictions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:School_bullying_laws_in_the_United_States.svg

This man was (and is) a bully. As a Mormon he is both anti-women and anti-gay rights.

People who work for him or support him are supporting policies that are anti-women and anti-gay rights. To say otherwise is ridiculous.

It's a free country, and we can all support who we want. But anyone who cares about gay rights and women's rights should not be interested in having Romney as President.

I also am starting to feel that there should be a new rule when it comes to fighting for civil rights. Those who oppose them should NOT get to benefit from them. So gay people who help individuals and institutions who oppose and fight against gay rights shouldn't be able to benefit from all the gay rights that exist because others fought for them. I mean seriously. The massive free rider issue is starting to bug me.




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