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Master2811 -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 8:54:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Be tolerant, remember?


I know you're teasing, and I did chuckle.

But the idea of tolerating intolerance led this Google geek to some surfing, and I came across an interesting aphorism: “Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice.”

The words come from Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who left Somalia as a girl, landed in the Netherlands (where she was a screenwriter and politician), and now lives in the U.S. (where she works at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank). She sounds like one interesting woman!



Yeah, I know her well. Too bad she had to leave the Netherlands (after the murder of Theo van Gogh - Dutch filmmaker). We immediately come to the point: What is intolerance? When do you intolerate? Must a person tolerate everything or else be intolerant? See, if you use philosophy such phrases become pretty meaningless quickly.



LookieNoNookie -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 9:29:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romneys-prep-school-classmates-recall-pranks-but-also-troubling-incidents/2012/05/10/gIQA3WOKFU_story.html?hpid=z2

So how much importance should be given to a Presidential candidates behavior in high school? Is the fact that Romney claims not to remember something that was vividy recalled by 5 other particpants troubling?


Come on....seriously?

You haven't changed your views since High school?

I have.

Who gives a flying fuck who gets elected...I've grown.

I hope the next Prez has as well.



SternSkipper -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 9:35:06 PM)

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I dont see you as a Republican, given your support of OWS and all that.. and I am not disputing your view of him mismanaging your state.. for most people that feel as you do, that would be enough reason not to vote for him again.. its not like jobs & taxes would be small tatters to most people..


I'm NOT a republican... But I'm also not a "Massachusetts democrat". I vote for whoever the hell I want basically based upon a series of criteria .
I'm working in a management position for an Independent Candidate for US Senate right now in fact. However, that said I support Deval Patrick because he's done a decent job un-Romneying us so far.
I hate my own congressman (my district cause he was doing NOTHING for people who needed help during the mortgage crisis and the fact that his wife is a horrible tax cheat and he has not stepped down as a result).
And when the candidate I work for is knocked out, I will support someone a democratic for US Senate that you may not even get to hear about. Mainly because I think Elizabeth Warren isn't as fiery a candidate as Marissa DeFranco... But in the end, it's anybody but Scott (Karl Rove Jr.) Brown. That GOP cheat HAS to go. He has people advising him who tell him precisely when to vote on some nominal issue (in terms of what GOP regulars care about), and the rest of the time does exactly what Rove, the Koch's, and Norquist push as the agenda. So, in the end, Warren will probably get my vote.

And I totally appreciate what you're saying and really didn't mean to sound that strongly about the issue, but it's a real deal with me as it's had real impact on myself, friends and neighbors. I'm not masrturbating over the race like someone from say, california might.

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I know some people might think he had a gay guy working for him to get gay votes but imo he would lose more votes than he might have gained.. so it still does not make sense to me that if he was anti-gay to hire an openly gay guy and alienate a larger number of votes..


Nah, he loaded up on gays in 04 and kind of ignored them and internally treated them poorly after they didn't get him a big turn-out in certain states. He knows the guy's gay from 04. LCR Alumnis.
But the reality is that everything so fucked up with Romney from "claim to claim" and it's so apparent he has huge issues with the truth, WHO KNOWS what Romney's thinking. All the guy has is a very complicated bullshit story propping him up.
He was on TV tonight and spoke for 5 minutes and COULDN'T TOUCH the GGGGGGG-Gword.



SternSkipper -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 9:51:50 PM)

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Now there is something very inconsistant in that claim. He bullied gays right? So he had no fear of them right? If he had feared them he would not have bullied them right? Then why do you call his behaviour "homophobic"? The "phobic" part comes from the Greek language. Phobos is fear in Greek. He did not fear the gays he was bullying. So the word "homophobic" is inaccurate.


Didn't grandma and grandpa tell you. For a very long time there have been COUNTLESS psychiatric studies looking into the emotion called hate and guess what? There's a valid clinical relationship.
But not so much to rain on the little parade you're having for yourself here, read this encyclopedic definition of homophobia

Homophobia
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards homosexuality or people who are identified as or perceived as being LGBT. Definitions refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear.[1][2][3] In a 1998 address, author, activist, and civil rights leader Coretta Scott King stated that "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood."[4]

There are also deeper more clinical implications linking hate to fear.
Might be a good time if you want to spout psychology, TO LEARN SOME.



tj444 -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 10:06:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper
I'm NOT a republican... But I'm also not a "Massachusetts democrat". I vote for whoever the hell I want basically based upon a series of criteria .

You should see the look on your face right now.. [:D]

Thats the problem with politicians, ya pays yer money and take your chances.. Obama lied about a few things too, they all do it.. even if they dont lie and try, their hands are tied by the system and they have to sell their ideals out just to get some watered down law passed.. and then there are those times when what they do is the exact wrong thing to do..

You do remember that i cant vote, all i can do is masturbate over the race.. [;)]



SternSkipper -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 10:11:02 PM)

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Come on....seriously?

You haven't changed your views since High school?

I have.

Who gives a flying fuck who gets elected...I've grown.

I hope the next Prez has as well.


The why did he do the big liar act tonight at that rally I saw him wringing his hands at? He totally denied it had to do with their perception of the kid's 'gayness'. Yet the other 4 guys there do reconcile that as the factor.
Everything I've grown out of I freely admit.




SternSkipper -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/10/2012 10:32:15 PM)

I don't have a mirror ... here's an official cellphone video

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z324/letstalktoys/Animated%20GIFs/threestoogescurlystrikesbush.gif

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You do remember that i cant vote, all i can do is masturbate over the race..


Send pictures![:D]



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/11/2012 1:23:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

So we now have dueling dog dramas and battling bullyibouts.



No... what "we now have" are attempts at DIVERSION from the REAL/IMPORTANT issues.




Moonhead -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/11/2012 3:44:45 AM)

Which is why you're posting yet more IRRELEVANT NONSENSE about UTTER TRIVIA, no doubt.



Master2811 -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/11/2012 6:01:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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Now there is something very inconsistant in that claim. He bullied gays right? So he had no fear of them right? If he had feared them he would not have bullied them right? Then why do you call his behaviour "homophobic"? The "phobic" part comes from the Greek language. Phobos is fear in Greek. He did not fear the gays he was bullying. So the word "homophobic" is inaccurate.


Didn't grandma and grandpa tell you. For a very long time there have been COUNTLESS psychiatric studies looking into the emotion called hate and guess what? There's a valid clinical relationship.
But not so much to rain on the little parade you're having for yourself here, read this encyclopedic definition of homophobia

Homophobia
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards homosexuality or people who are identified as or perceived as being LGBT. Definitions refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear.[1][2][3] In a 1998 address, author, activist, and civil rights leader Coretta Scott King stated that "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood."[4]

There are also deeper more clinical implications linking hate to fear.
Might be a good time if you want to spout psychology, TO LEARN SOME.



I don't give a shit about terms or defintions imposed on me by progressive leftist propaganda or indoctrination. I am a freethinker in that way. I go to the core of claims and the claim of homophobia is ridiculous in this context.



SternSkipper -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/11/2012 6:45:53 AM)

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I don't give a shit about terms or defintions imposed on me by progressive leftist propaganda or indoctrination. I am a freethinker in that way. I go to the core of claims and the claim of homophobia is ridiculous in this context.


You let grandma and grampa tell you what kind of family to construct imagine. But when it comes to hate, you're callin' your own shots. You'll go far in this lifestyle.

Mmmmm... so DOCTORS that have studied phobias and "progressive leftist propaganda or indoctrination"? The last person who said something approaching that was a skinhead.
I thought they were out of style since Sally Jesse Rafael went off the air.



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/11/2012 9:59:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

...posting yet more IRRELEVANT NONSENSE



Which is EXACTLY what the OP posted, and that which YOU, as well as several others, saw fit to revel in the typical LibRat circle-jerk that frequents the fora.  When it's THEIR guy/side, then it's relevant... when it's YOUR guy/side, then it's irrelevant.  Such a mouthful of HYPOCRISY must make eating difficult?!! [8|]




papassion -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/11/2012 10:32:07 AM)


I can't believe the Democrat hit squad was stupid enough to go after Romney about a bullying incident when he was a KID in High school, (50 YEARS ago!) when their own asshole, in HIS OWN WORDS in his audio book, as a young MAN, said he missed classes, played basketball, hung out with druggies, smoked pot, and used drugs including cocaine! Makes Romney look like a alter boy compared to Obama!



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/11/2012 11:01:09 AM)

 
They'll do ANYTHING to try and divert attention away from O'Fuckup's FAILED record.  In nearly all the polls, the ECONOMY remains the leading issue to most voters -- so this is yet another FAILED ATTEMPT to divert attention away from O'Failure's complete impotence on the issues that REALLY matter.

Issues: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/importance_of_issues


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fucktoyprincess -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/11/2012 11:04:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Come on....seriously?

You haven't changed your views since High school?

I have.

Who gives a flying fuck who gets elected...I've grown.

I hope the next Prez has as well.


I don't think anyone disputes the above statement. The issue is that Romney's views have not changed.

As for Obama's incidents from his past, he has been open and honest about them, in light of his own introspection about issues of race given that he is half-white and half-black. These incidents that were described in his book are described because as an adult viewing it through his lens now, he is somewhat embarrassed about his behavior, but simply trying to give it context within his own struggle for self-identity as a person of mixed race. I didn't read Obama's description as gloating about being mean (and I've read the book itself). Within the context of the rest of the book, it about how he gained self-awareness over his life. In other words, he has changed. I think Obama has a very nuanced view of race and politics because of his own experiences of a man of mixed race. And let us not forget that he is married to a black woman, raising two daughters who seem very well adjusted, and from a policy perspective is very supportive of women's issues.

Again, I agree with the "have your views changed since" standard. But, by that standard Romney fails; Obama does just fine.

So yes, I hope the next Prez has changed his views, too.



Arturas -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/11/2012 11:04:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romneys-prep-school-classmates-recall-pranks-but-also-troubling-incidents/2012/05/10/gIQA3WOKFU_story.html?hpid=z2

So how much importance should be given to a Presidential candidates behavior in high school? Is the fact that Romney claims not to remember something that was vividy recalled by 5 other particpants troubling?


Oops.

Turns out the boy's family does not agree with the account. Turns out more students during that period say this never happened, more than say it did. Turns out the "Romney apologizes" newsclip takes what he said it out of context leaving much of what he said about how such a thing would be terrible and that he never would endorse such behavor.
Turns out he did not remember this action because it never happened the way it was presented in this articlel (and in this forum).

During this forum "debate", Romney is in the swing state of North Carolina getting standing ovations for his ideas on the economy, jobs and energy.

Did I mention there will be a Landslide election of Romney in November? How do I know? It's because the Left is clearly freaking out with this and other lame attempts to distract voters from the real issues.

Lame Left. Landslide for Romney.

"Game On" and guess who is winning? Well, the latest polls have Romney at a 10 (correction, 7) point advantage, leading off with the latest Rasmussen Poll, the most respected and comprehensive polling service known:

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Mitt Romney surged to his largest opinion poll lead yet in the presidential race on Friday, two days after President Barack Obama came out in favor of gay marriage.

The GOP challenger reached 50 percent support for the first time in the Rasmussen Reports daily tracking poll. That put him ahead of Obama among likely voters by seven percentage points.

The poll, released on Friday, showed a three-point swing to Romney from the previous day, when Romney had a four-point edge over the president in a head-to-head contest.

Rasmussen’s daily poll is an aggregate of questions asked over three days.
Friday’s covered respondents’ answers on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. As Obama’s same-sex statement was only released on Wednesday afternoon, the results suggest Romney’s lead could grow even larger in the next couple of days.


Arturas watchers will remember a few days ago when I forcast that in a short week Romney will be on top in the polls and finally there will be a Landslide victory for Romney, the economy, jobs and our energy independence come November. I will add, in spite of lame and fake stories about the GOP candidate. No, very much because of them perhaps? Oh, yes.


So, I guess three or four pages (so far) of this forum debate is a bit entertaining and serves as an "over the clift" gauge of the left's (current state).



Hillwilliam -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/11/2012 11:16:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

 
They'll do ANYTHING to try and divert attention away from O'Fuckup's FAILED record.  In nearly all the polls, the ECONOMY remains the leading issue to most voters -- so this is yet another FAILED ATTEMPT to divert attention away from O'Failure's complete impotence on the issues that REALLY matter.

Issues: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/importance_of_issues


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I agree 100% with the importance of issues you have posted here. I'd probably rearrange a few of them in order but I'm sure you probably would too.

My question is this. Why do these topics take a back burner to abortion, gay marriage, (nonexistent) erosion of our second amendment rights, teaching so-called 'intelligent design' in schools, etc. As I watched the Republican primaries, these seemed to be the hot button issues as they virtually ignored the 10 you posted.
Romney has a very winnable election but is he attacking on those 10 points?

The RNC needs to get their head out of their ass. (Had they done it 4 years ago, we wouldn't have a pres Obama right now)



Moonhead -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/11/2012 11:19:41 AM)

They didn't want to address those issues four years ago, Hill, and they definitely didn't want to win the election: they were keen to saddle the Democrats with the blame for the clusterfuck the chimp spent two terms imposing on your country.
And frankly, if the GOP allowed its leaders to get away with that, then even Romney is probably better than they deserve.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/11/2012 11:21:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

They didn't want to address those issues four years ago, Hill, and they definitely didn't want to win the election: they were keen to saddle the Democrats with the blame for the clusterfuck the chimp spent two terms imposing on your country.
And frankly, if the GOP allowed its leaders to get away with that, then even Romney is probably better than they deserve.

They have been getting away from those issues for the last 30 years since Reagan sold the soul of the Republican party to the Religious Right.



Moonhead -> RE: Romney antigay bully? (5/11/2012 11:22:31 AM)

Oh, don't even get me fucking started on that one...



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