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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/14/2012 3:41:15 PM   
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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/14/2012 3:48:13 PM   
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I never asserted that any were sacrificed, Ps53. Please either pay attention to the posts that you are responding to or go fishing or to bed, or whatever.



I posted two lines and dont see asserted in either. I said your question was stupidity, it still is.

edited for typo

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/14/2012 4:02:09 PM   
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Think you missed the point. He is big boy and reads his. Dubya obviously needed someone to tell him what he should know........

Did you ever ask a paper a question? Being briefed allows you to instantly get clearification and greater depth, but that wouldn't make Bush a bozo so that can't be it. The question isn't what would Bush do it is what should Obama have done.

BTW Clinton also attended daily security briefings so I guess you don't think he could read either.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/14/2012 4:11:41 PM   
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Rob......Even you cant think this is the same as 9/11........... Oh wait, maybe you can.

Rule........Your question isnt interesting, its stupidity. No one was sacrificed.



Let's see... A thread was started stating that Bush knew in advance that an attack was imminent. Obama was told as early as September 4th that our embassies were going to be attacked on 9-11... Naw, there's no comparison to be made here, because 3000 people didn't die... Is that what you're excuse is?

Really? You see no problem with blaming Bush because of his inaction, but give Obama a pass for his inaction?



Your accusation that I am talking numbers is cheap even for you. I didnt say that anywhere.

But yes indeed, there is plenty of evidence Bush was told of possible attacks on an American homeland target, not days but months beforehand.

As for Obama knowing days in advace, what were you saying about assumming.

" Shawn Turner, spokesman for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, emailed: “This is absolutely wrong. We are not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the U.S. Mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent.”

I havent even touched how one event took place on home soil, in a peaceful enviroment and was cocked up by multiple agencies not talking to each other. The second in an unstable country still comimg to terms with itself and agents not exactly thick on the ground.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/14/2012 4:20:26 PM   
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I said your question was stupidity, it still is.

That is allright: that means that it has the characteristic of durability. I fancy that one million years from now people will continue to agree that it still is a stupid question. Hopefully, provided pertinent historical records still survive at that time, by then our species will have evolved their mental abilities sufficiently to have discovered several answers to the question.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/14/2012 4:32:40 PM   
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Obama skips more than half of daily intelligence meetings
12:04 AM, Sep 12, 2012

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The Government Accountability Institute, a new conservative investigative research organization, examined President Obama’s schedule from the day he took office until mid-June 2012, to see how often he attended his Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) — the meeting at which he is briefed on the most critical intelligence threats to the country. During his first 1,225 days in office, Obama attended his PDB just 536 times — or 43.8 percent of the time. During 2011 and the first half of 2012, his attendance became even less frequent — falling to just over 38 percent. By contrast, Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush almost never missed his daily intelligence meeting.


Firm

You're repeating debunked lies.

The President receives the written PDB every day. Unlike the previous occupant of the White House he can actually read for comprehension and doesn't need the PDB read and explained to him every day.

I found on several occasion that your definition of "lies" doesn't quite match the dictionary definition. This appears to be yet another case.

Actually, the WH has not "dubunked" this claim. In fact, they have confirmed it, but just say that he doesn't need to have the meetings, because he reads the reports.

Go fish.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/14/2012 4:47:21 PM   
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Ok so someone types up a PDB and delivers it to the residence... Now we have the people here claiming they KNOW the President actually picks up the paper and reads it.

Why they must have spy camera's set up in the residence. Keep ASSUMING guys, we ALL know how that turns out.

You do know the President does have a morning meeting every day with his senior staff and there are reports that he discusses issues from the PDB and directs activities based on the briefing?

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/14/2012 5:01:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've pointed out this conservative meme several times before but it is worth repeating.

For a fairly obvious reason the conservative movement pushes the idea that the President is some how not worthy of being President. This takes the form of complaints about what he wears into the Oval Office, "no other POTUS ever wore jeans to the office!!!!", where he puts his feet, "No POTUS has ever put their feet up on the desk!!!!", various consipracy theories about his birth and youth and now ths absurd claim that the President is not paying attention to national security matters.

Of course all these claims are lies and easily debunked ones at that but that doesn't seem to matter. All that matters is reinforcing the idea that the President is "other."

For instance the lie that the President is not receiving the PDB. The briefing is a document and not a meeting. Even Bush skipped the meeting on occasion and Clinton and earlier President's did as well.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/pdbnews/blanton39.pdf

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/14/2012 5:29:32 PM   
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And why do we have to hear about this from the British Press?


Ummmm I'll take a wild guess and say that since it;'s not on the wire services. It's BS and with the real whoppers, sometimes you have to go way outside the country.
  If you rush, you can plagiarize  it and try to sell it to Fox.

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Now since the Bush 9-11 story has a thread running, I thought it was time for some reciprocity.


Its all about avenging the imminent loss of the election then?


Sad.


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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/14/2012 6:30:41 PM   
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CBS evening news reported yesterday that no US Marines were present, and that it was a temporary embassy with limited security features. Not that I'm defending Romney. Had he established himself as a constitutional conservative, he could be hammering Obama right now for going to war without the consent of Congress.



They have been using contractors all over the State Dept for nearly a decade.
Think Haliburton.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/14/2012 7:00:00 PM   
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And why do we have to hear about this from the British Press?


Ummmm I'll take a wild guess and say that since it;'s not on the wire services. It's BS and with the real whoppers, sometimes you have to go way outside the country.
  If you rush, you can plagiarize  it and try to sell it to Fox.

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Now since the Bush 9-11 story has a thread running, I thought it was time for some reciprocity.


Its all about avenging the imminent loss of the election then?


Sad.




Or it's the fucking networks going into cover Obama's ass for the next 60 days mode. We have protests going on in 30 countries, and the media is talking about a Romney tweet...

Yeah it is about protecting Obama from his imminent loss in November.

The economy in the tank, with QE3 throwing away 40 billion a month, Marines send all over the ME and NA to protect our embassies... There's your Hope & Change.

I say when the media finally pulls it's head out of it's ass, and starts looking into these events, Obama & Clinton ain't gonna be looking so good.

His whole foreign policy mandate is crumbling, his economy still sucks camel cock, and his Sec State is a clueless moron.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/14/2012 7:23:34 PM   
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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/14/2012 7:34:26 PM   
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Yeah it is about protecting Obama from his imminent loss in November.



Yeah Yeah, and you see dead people too.
Not to worry subrob... it'll all be over cept the ranting in less than two months... BTW - Have you ever seen Romney in an ACTUAL debate. We watched the Kennedy Romney debate several times in my undergrad studies... he falls apart. and he didn't even fair well in those silly republican softball games we all suffered through.
When he starts that dagwood act across from Obama... the President is going to just nudge him over the edge like Kennedy did.
  Personally, I can't wait

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 2:49:31 AM   
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And why do we have to hear about this from the British Press?


Ummmm I'll take a wild guess and say that since it;'s not on the wire services. It's BS and with the real whoppers, sometimes you have to go way outside the country.
  If you rush, you can plagiarize  it and try to sell it to Fox.

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Now since the Bush 9-11 story has a thread running, I thought it was time for some reciprocity.


Its all about avenging the imminent loss of the election then?


Sad.





To be fair to Rob, I usually find the Independent to be pretty accurate. The problem is when unnamed political sources are used, you have no idea where they came from. Its a bit suspicious though, especially with an election looming.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 4:58:58 AM   
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Think you missed the point. He is big boy and reads his. Dubya obviously needed someone to tell him what he should know........

Did you ever ask a paper a question? Being briefed allows you to instantly get clearification and greater depth, but that wouldn't make Bush a bozo so that can't be it. The question isn't what would Bush do it is what should Obama have done.

BTW Clinton also attended daily security briefings so I guess you don't think he could read either.


Oh, so you are saying cause he might not be at every daily briefing that caused the deaths of our Diplomates in Libya.....So what is Bush's excuse for 9/11?

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 8:46:21 AM   
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Oh, so you are saying cause he might not be at every daily briefing that caused the deaths of our Diplomates in Libya.....


I hadn't considered it, but that is a possibility. Thank you.


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So what is Bush's excuse for 9/11?


I believe Clinton and his inactions against UBL was Bush's excuse though he personally didn't played that card, at least to my knowledge.

Hope that helps.


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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 10:22:28 AM   
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Someone once told me that the job of a peacetime military is to appear tough enough to deter enemies. A wartime military needs to be able to back that up by killing people and breaking things.
It is very frustrating that neither candidate has a military background. The current occupant seems to like using the military as toy soldiers. I am hoping that Mr Romney has the sense to pay better attention to his advisors.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 10:26:15 AM   
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Not to mention its cost.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 10:36:25 AM   
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And why do we have to hear about this from the British Press?

To be fair to Rob, I usually find the Independent to be pretty accurate. The problem is when unnamed political sources are used, you have no idea where they came from. Its a bit suspicious though, especially with an election looming.

And I think in this case it's the "sources" I find ludicrous. Do you honestly think that if there was legitimate detailed info of the kind presented in THAT article, it would be everywhere they could squeeze it on the front page. What I suspect is that someone has created a major conjecture piece here.
It's a huge reach to think that Fox, just to name one outlet wouldn't have seized upon this an run it into the ground by now.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 10:54:12 AM   
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Actually, the WH has not "dubunked" this claim. In fact, they have confirmed it, but just say that he doesn't need to have the meetings, because he reads the reports.

Go fish.

Firm


A CLAIM made by The Government Accountability Institute needs to be debunked? Considering it's about as credible and important as the rantings of MUFON, they probably don't feel it's necessary. And just to be on record about this. I question the intelligence of people and/or journalists that wish to compare this tragedy in Libya with an event that took 3000 lives and destroyed several blocks of Manhattan.

Here, have a debunk:
http://thestoppedclock.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-washington-posts-self-satirist.html

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