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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 12:29:39 PM   
Lucylastic


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WHo has an impressive resume, writing books, about conservatives the institutes "mission is....TO INVESTIGATE AND EXPOSE CRONY CAPITALISM, MISUSE OF TAXPAYER MONIES,
AND OTHER GOVERNMENTAL CORRUPTION OR MALFEASANCE.
Writing for the WaPO(who posted it as conclusive evidence) and the NYT, woooooo

and only "founded" in 2009

oh and by the way??? the entire verbiage of the report says....

The Government Accountability Institute conducted an analysis of how much
time President Barack Obama has spent attending his Presidential Daily Briefs (PDBs),
as recorded on the White House official calendar and Politico’s comprehensive calendar.
The study covered the President’s first 1,225 days in office, running from January 23,
2009 through May 31,2012. Of those, President Obama attended a total of 536

Nothing like the report at brietbart or any of the "right " wing sludge sites
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/19/REPORT-Obama-Spends-Nearly-As-Much-Time-On-The-Economy-As-Dog-Owners-Spend-Walking-Their-Dogs

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 12:38:38 PM   
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LOL THe team of the GAI is one man...Peter Schweizer,
WHo has an impressive resume, writing books, about conservatives the institutes "mission is....TO INVESTIGATE AND EXPOSE CRONY CAPITALISM, MISUSE OF TAXPAYER MONIES,
AND OTHER GOVERNMENTAL CORRUPTION OR MALFEASANCE.
Writing for the WaPO(who posted it as conclusive evidence) and the NYT, woooooo

and only "founded" in 2009

oh and by the way??? the entire verbiage of the report says....

The Government Accountability Institute conducted an analysis of how much
time President Barack Obama has spent attending his Presidential Daily Briefs (PDBs),
as recorded on the White House official calendar and Politico’s comprehensive calendar.
The study covered the President’s first 1,225 days in office, running from January 23,
2009 through May 31,2012. Of those, President Obama attended a total of 536

Nothing like the report at brietbart or any of the "right " wing sludge sites
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/19/REPORT-Obama-Spends-Nearly-As-Much-Time-On-The-Economy-As-Dog-Owners-Spend-Walking-Their-Dogs


Yes it's true Peter Schweizer is Breitbart with fewer chins. Well off for a sail. I'll leave this battle to the Mistress at Arms. Have fun Lucy

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 12:41:00 PM   
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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 1:07:35 PM   
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Are you crazy. Really? Benghazi , a war zone. And you don't think everyone was already on high alert?


Yeah.. such a high alert they were forbidden to have live ammo.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 1:09:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Forget that Obama didn't attend the briefings, for a moment.

But it's absolutely ridiculous to go through the work of creating them, and scheduling them for a president who isn't going to show up.

If all he's going to do is read the damn report - then cancel the meetings or schedule them once every three days.

Its absolutely ludicrous - just like buying 20,000 cars and destroying them - not even giving them to the poor - just cracking their engine blocks.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 1:14:43 PM   
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Had you bothered to read the thread, you'd know we have covered it extensively. Obama reads his briefings. Dubya had to have his read TO him.

As for the report of unarmed marines, http://nation.time.com/2012/09/13/whats-worse-no-marines-or-possibly-unarmed-marines/.

Here's a quote. UPDATE II: The Marines said late Thursday that any reports “of Marines not being able to have their weapons loaded per direction from the ambassador are not accurate.”


Unfortunately, it appears there were NO marines at Banghazi for some stupid reason.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 1:57:08 PM   
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Yeah it is about protecting Obama from his imminent loss in November.


Considering that Obama is like 4 points ahead among likely voters, IIRC even more in Ohio and FL, and how much of a backlash Romney's statements about this situation have caused him among both Democrats and Republicans, that seems a bit overconfident, Rob.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 2:10:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Moderate here, the liberals wouldn't bother attacking republican supporters and politicians if the things they said weren't so patently outrageous as to cause them to seem as if they are either drunk or suffering from Down's syndrome. Every time I see Mitt Romney get up behind his pulpit to preach to his congregation about how we have to start destroying women's civil rights and giving the rich more money while utterly obliterating social security and anything resembling programs for the common good I wish someone would just slap him upside the head for trying to address adults that way and being a gigantic goddamn liar. But the sad truth is that all the rest of the children from the nation's collective short buses are plenty happy to destroy America itself and drag us all along for the ride, and it happened 8 and 12 years ago too, we're now caught in an unending war on a concept (much like the war on drugs) because republicans can't seem to figure out that ideas cannot be killed, that somehow, us riddling the middle east with more bullets is just going to make them angrier to no good end. So here we sit, a fresh shiny new decade in which we have the opportunity to fix the economy, find a way to cover our asses and end the war on terror, and get our nation back on track, and the republicans are so set in their ways that they think that the party and the people responsible for this mess should get elected this year? I can't tell if they're high on crack or simply only watching what fox thinks they should watch, I don't know why they haven't bothered to try and decipher the truth for themselves. At some point, it became okay for Bush to wire tap all of our phones without notice but it's not okay for women to choose wether they pop out a child they can't take care of when we're suffering from overpopulation on a global scale as it is? When did it start making sense to you to do whatever absolves your emotions rather than what is logical and will carry us successfully into the future republicans? You were a great party once, some of the most noble men to ever hold office were republicans, but these vultures you're vomiting onto the stage are telling, something has slipped in your ethics and worse yet in your capacity as a party to make reasonable decisions.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 2:28:04 PM   
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Moderate here, the liberals wouldn't bother attacking republican supporters .....


Any evidence of that, or just an unsubstantiated opinion?
Because I will state it as an opinion that yes, they would. That most politicians will say anything to get elected.

But I find this especially true of Obama's campaign. For example: Harry Reid said that Romney was a tax dodger, and may be guilty of a felony.

Evidence: Nothing.

Obama surrogates said Romney was guilty of S.'s wife dying of cancer.
Evidence: Zero.

Obama surrogates attacked Romney's business career to the point that even Bill Clinton felt obligated to step in and say - cmon now. This is out of hand.


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Every time I see Mitt Romney get up behind his pulpit to preach to his congregation about how we have to start destroying women's civil rights


Please. Find me one quote where Romney gets up behind a pulpit and says we have to start destroying women's civil rights.

Sir, I don't think you're a moderate, and I don't have time to debate all your points.
But regarding the wiretaps I will just say this.

The US intelligence agencies want to wiretap a foreign national. There is no US court that has jurisdiction - by definition he is a foreign national. So even if they applied to a court - they couldn't get permission.

So they wire tap him. It is ridiculous to say (or to suggest) that the US must get court approval to listen to everyone that he might talk to - before he even talks to them. What you are saying is that the intelligence officials must get court approval to listen to the foreign nationals speak anytime that person might speak to an american.

So I think you need to get more informed on the law, and what it does and does not do.


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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 2:43:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh I'm sorry, were you not paying attention when Romney set about trying to pave the way for banning abortion? During the 2012 presidential campaign, Romney promised to nominate Supreme Court justices who would help overturn Roe v. Wade, this doesn't necessarily mean abortion will be banned but this is politics and it is a well known fact that Romney is pro-life, you cannot simply accept the act itself, you have to look at it's potential ramifications for the future. And to address your initial complaint about liberals attacking republicans I was talking about citizen to citizen interaction, people talking shit about people on the internet and in person, not politicians, politicians are all snakes, it's just a matter of letting yourself get bit by the least deadly one at this stage in the game. As for wiretapping, it is not merely a matter of foreign nationals being wiretapped and this is essentially the best translation I could find on what is actually in the patriot act.




Roving wiretaps are wiretap orders that do not need to specify all common carriers and third parties in a surveillance court order. These are seen as important by the Department of Justice because they believe that terrorists can exploit wiretap orders by rapidly changing locations and communication devices such as cell phones,[46] while opponents see it as violating the particularity clause of the Fourth Amendment.[47][48] Another highly controversial provision is one that allows the FBI to make an order "requiring the production of any tangible things (including books, records, papers, documents, and other items) for an investigation to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities, provided that such investigation of a United States person is not conducted solely upon the basis of activities protected by the first amendment to the Constitution."[49] Though it was not targeted directly at libraries, the American Library Association (ALA), in particular, opposed this provision.[50] In a resolution passed on June 29, 2005, they stated that "Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act allows the government to secretly request and obtain library records for large numbers of individuals without any reason to believe they are involved in illegal activity."[51] However, the ALA's stance did not go without criticism. One prominent critic of the ALA's stance was the Manhattan Institute's Heather Mac Donald, who argued in an article for the New York City Journal that "[t]he furor over section 215 is a case study in Patriot Act fear-mongering.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 3:10:34 PM   
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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 3:11:24 PM   
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Are you crazy. Really? Benghazi , a war zone. And you don't think everyone was already on high alert?


Yeah.. such a high alert they were forbidden to have live ammo.

Debunked lie
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/egypt-embassy-marines-live-ammo

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/15/2012 5:36:34 PM   
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I've pointed out this conservative meme several times before but it is worth repeating.

For a fairly obvious reason the conservative movement pushes the idea that the President is some how not worthy of being President. This takes the form of complaints about what he wears into the Oval Office, "no other POTUS ever wore jeans to the office!!!!", where he puts his feet, "No POTUS has ever put their feet up on the desk!!!!", various consipracy theories about his birth and youth and now ths absurd claim that the President is not paying attention to national security matters.

Of course all these claims are lies and easily debunked ones at that but that doesn't seem to matter. All that matters is reinforcing the idea that the President is "other."

For instance the lie that the President is not receiving the PDB. The briefing is a document and not a meeting. Even Bush skipped the meeting on occasion and Clinton and earlier President's did as well.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/pdbnews/blanton39.pdf


As was recently noted, politics is largely about:

(1) me first; (2) party second; (3) country third.

The meme is to get a Democrat out of the White House. I'm not sure how we could modify our system to encourage: (1) Country First; (2) The People Second; (3) Party Third; and (4) Me Fourth.


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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/16/2012 2:25:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Campaigns have always said the darndest things ("General Washington has bad wooden false teeth..."). And the temperature of debate has never been low. There are always a few culture issues to rouse those who care about that sort of thing ("President Jefferson is an atheist who fathers slave children and keeps a mummy in the Executive Mansion...") But in healthier times, the main emotions expressed are honest responses to realities that matter apart from politics. In this election cycle, the emotions are simply about the other side. Republican activists, more than Democrats, sound like bitter ex-lovers with their hearts made up and kitchen-sinking anything at Democrats that they can think of. This is a two-party system, and the Republican day will come-- if not in November then probably in four years-- but the GOP is not a healthy opposition party that is capable of governing the country. The sad thing about this election is that, although President Obama has made some economic mistakes (size and composition of stimulus, little mortgage relief, postponing a vote on the debt ceiling, etc) and has in Romney an opponent who might have offered a credible alternative from the center-right, the GOP is so far out of touch with fairly basic knowledge about the national interest (the depression is caused by low demand, brick and mortar stimulus reduces deficits with cheaper borrowing, governments are better at cost control and quality than insurance companies, further tax cuts have very little positive economic effect, etc) that their candidate cannot base his campaign in the real world. If the President is re-elected, the country will have a "lame duck" and not the unified, reality-based government it needs, but it will have the late Bush bipartisan foreign policy abroad and rational implementation of the Affordable Care Act at home. If Romney were elected, either by voters or by judges or by the House, he would probably gain a Democratic Congress at the midterm, and then some interesting horsetrading could possibly result in the program that he should be campaigning on today. But calculating the odds... President Obama.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/16/2012 1:00:30 PM   
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Oh I'm sorry, were you not paying attention when Romney set about trying to pave the way for banning abortion?...


Your original quote said Romney promulgated destroying civil rights. Disagreeing about abortion is not the same as saying we should destroy women's civil rights.

You are guilty of hyperbole, and you demonize your opponent when you do so. Had you said Romney is pro-life- I'd have shrugged and agreed with you.

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Roving wiretaps are wiretap orders that do not need to specify all common carriers and third parties in a surveillance court order. These are seen as important by the Department of Justice because they believe that terrorists can exploit wiretap orders by rapidly changing locations and communication devices such as cell phones,[46] while opponents see it as violating the particularity clause of the Fourth Amendment.[47][48]


Absolutely correct - and a restatement of what I just said. Roving wiretaps cannot be applied against americans without a court order.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/16/2012 1:09:20 PM   
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Your original quote said Romney promulgated destroying civil rights. Disagreeing about abortion is not the same as saying we should destroy women's civil rights.


No, he didnt just have a disagreement on abortion rights.

But Mr. Romney also took the opportunity to talk about some of his positions on social issues.

“Now, the foundation needed for a strong economy and a strong military is a people of strong values,” Mr. Romney said, recalling that he was blessed to be raised by happily married parents whose example “led me to marry and have children, and now to bask in the joy of 16 grandchildren.”

He promised to support the Defense of Marriage Act and to appoint Supreme Court justices who would help overturn Roe v. Wade.

“We know that marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom — it’s also critical for the well-being of a civilization,” Mr. Romney said. “That’s why it’s so important to preserve traditional marriage, the joining together of one man and one woman.”

On abortion, he said, “Our values must encompass the life of an unborn child.”

“The law may call it a right, but no one ever called it a good, and in the quiet of conscience, people of both political parties know that more than a million abortions a year can’t be squared with the good heart of America,” he said. “And I will nominate judges who know the difference between personal opinion and law. It is long past time for the Supreme Court to return the issue of abortion back to the states by overturning Roe v. Wade.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/08/romney-tries-to-reassure-socially-conservative-audience/

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/16/2012 1:24:39 PM   
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and the Republican day will come-- if not in November then probably in four years-- but the GOP is not a healthy opposition party that is capable of governing the country. The sad thing about this election is that, although President Obama has made some economic mistakes (size and composition of stimulus, little mortgage relief, postponing a vote on the debt ceiling, etc) and has in Romney an opponent who might have offered a credible alternative from the center-right, the GOP is so far out of touch with fairly basic knowledge about the national interest (the depression is caused by low demand, brick and mortar stimulus reduces deficits with cheaper borrowing, governments are better at cost control and quality than insurance companies,


Government is not bettr at cost control. This is a oft stated myth, caused because Medicare (etc) spend a low % of their spending on fraud prevention. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be spending more - in fact they should. What they don't spend in administration - they make up for in fraud.

Current estimates of Social Security disability is up to 20% of recipients are fraudulent.
Medicare fraud is endemic in Fl, Ca, Nevada where hundreds of millions and more are done in pain clinics, pill mills, phantom billing.

The current method of reimbursement of medicare / medicaid where drs are reimbursed a flat percentage is one of the drivers of medicare for the rest of us. It has two huge effects: 1). Dr's refuse to take medicare patients - huge problem in large swaths of the country. 2) The costs from those patients are made up by patients paying cash or paying with insurance.

The affordable health care act is absolutely immaterial - democrat or republican because we won't be able to afford it in 10 years regardless of who is elected. If you taxed everyone who earned a million dollars a year at 100% - you still don't cover the deficit.

Thats why regardless of the goals we'd like for our country - entitltement reform will occur. Its just a question of how disastrous things will get before we choose to fix it. And with obama things will get disastrous indeed.

Obama, if elected will:
a) do nothing about government unions and pensions despite skyrocketing costs.
b) will continue to push green energy which will continue to be a pipedream. The biggest fact overlooked by greenies is that higher energy costs push jobs overseas where people are less energy efficient. For example china averages about 36% vs 55+% in the US. So raising energy costs actually has the net effect of increasing CO2 emissions.
c) will continue Obama care which will absolutely increase health care costs.
d) will continue to depreciate the dollar
e) will continue to push an expansive federalism. The dems haven't even attempted to pass a budget in three years. Despite it being required by law. Do you really think they will find religion in his next term? Or do you think they will continue to make more illegal recess appointments?



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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/16/2012 1:31:21 PM   
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No, he didnt just have a disagreement on abortion rights.

But Mr. Romney also took the opportunity to talk about some of his positions on social issues.

“Now, the foundation needed for a strong economy and a strong military is a people of strong values,” Mr. Romney said, recalling that he was blessed to be raised by happily married parents whose example “led me to marry and have children, and now to bask in the joy of 16 grandchildren.”

He promised to support the Defense of Marriage Act and to appoint Supreme Court justices who would help overturn Roe v. Wade.

“We know that marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom — it’s also critical for the well-being of a civilization,” Mr. Romney said. “That’s why it’s so important to preserve traditional marriage, the joining together of one man and one woman.”

On abortion, he said, “Our values must encompass the life of an unborn child.”

“The law may call it a right, but no one ever called it a good, and in the quiet of conscience, people of both political parties know that more than a million abortions a year can’t be squared with the good heart of America,” he said. “And I will nominate judges who know the difference between personal opinion and law. It is long past time for the Supreme Court to return the issue of abortion back to the states by overturning Roe v. Wade.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/08/romney-tries-to-reassure-socially-conservative-audience/



Sure, I agree with you completely tazzy. Those probably accurately reflect Romney's position. And I have no problem with people that accurately reflect his views. But we do no good, and IMO a great deal of harm when we malign either side's intents. I have no doubt that Obama wants to improve the lot of minorities in this country. I have no doubt that Romney believes in his heart that his positions would improve the country.

But its not Romney's position that he is destroying women's civil rights. In fact there are millions of women ( a minority, I concede) that would say that emphasizing family is improving a woman's civil rights.

So argue about the positions, or tag Romney as pro life, pro DOMA - whatever you wish. Just don't say he wishes to destroy women's civil rights - at least, absent a quote to that effect.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/16/2012 2:02:12 PM   
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But its not Romney's position that he is destroying women's civil rights. In fact there are millions of women ( a minority, I concede) that would say that emphasizing family is improving a woman's civil rights.

So argue about the positions, or tag Romney as pro life, pro DOMA - whatever you wish. Just don't say he wishes to destroy women's civil rights - at least, absent a quote to that effect.


And in this I disagree because, as President, he has a limited chance of making his personal opinion the law of the land, despite the millions of women who vehemently disagree with him.

Its my belief that a President should set aside his personal beliefs when he is representing a country with varied opinions and beliefs of their own.

How acceptable would it be if he proclaimed that the courts were in error by removing mandatory school prayer and made the public statement that he needed to stack the courts to ensure prayer was returned to its mandatory status?

Abortion isnt any different.

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RE: President Obama, what did you know, and when did yo... - 9/16/2012 3:02:02 PM   
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But its not Romney's position that he is destroying women's civil rights. In fact there are millions of women ( a minority, I concede) that would say that emphasizing family is improving a woman's civil rights.

So argue about the positions, or tag Romney as pro life, pro DOMA - whatever you wish. Just don't say he wishes to destroy women's civil rights - at least, absent a quote to that effect.

What do you call trying to restrict a woman's choices?

At present if a woman wants to emphasize family she can, if she'd rather not bear or raise children she can do that as well. Restricting those choices is certainly destroying a woman's civil rights.

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