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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 4:21:47 PM   
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no , you didnt read it correctly.... the facts are that 47 % of the POPULATION pay NO fed income taxes,
NOT 47% of obama voters..
try watching the video.



The ignorance of the deniers is astounding



The ignorance of Obama voters is stunning.

Keep telling yourself things are better than they were four years ago, that all middle class voters are Obama voters, and that everyone who is disgusted by Obama's corruption is a tea bagger.

No matter how many Obama lies you repeat or how many times you repeat them they'll still be lies.




I never claimed all middle class voters are Obama voters or that anyone who is disgusted by Obamas "corruption" Is a teabagger.
That is coming from your own non comprehension.
Prove the lies or dont... you are amusing, but not interesting





It is impossible to prove lies because they are untrue, this is why Obama's apologists are struggling.

I'll try to explain using language even a child could understand. I still expect you to be bewildered and in full on denial mode..

The NDAA dovetails with Obama's executive Order. Obama can use the NDAA to essentially declare Martial Law in the USA.

If Obama declares Martial Law he has vast powers which have been greatly expanded by Obama's Executive Order.

If Obama were to declare Martial Law using any pretext, Obama's Executive Order gives his Administration power over all water resources, all material services and facilities, including construction materials, all forms of civilian transportation, food resources and facilities, livestock plant health resources and the domestic distribution of farm equipment, all health resources (hospitals, medicine, physicians, the blood supply), and all forms of energy

This represents totalitarian control over the USA and would be triggered by any President (including a Republican) declaring Martial Law, at which point the US Military will be policing the Nation under orders of the Executive Branch.

Since the GOP will, at some point have these powers, (probably after November 2012) its extremely difficult to understand how any US citizen would support this over reaching.

Even if you trust Obama you should be aware that someone you do not trust will soon have these powers and they represent fascism and the ability to totally impose fascism on the USA.

Both the NDAA and Executive Order are now courtesy of Obama. Martial Law can be declared in peacetime. Obama currently claims the right to indefinitely detain without trial as well as torture and he does so through the NDAA.








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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 4:27:07 PM   
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I was discussing in THAT particular post, the 47% issue, not the EO bullshit
Proving the truth .... debunks lies...
which, so far you have done nothing but rant


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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 4:30:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

no , you didnt read it correctly.... the facts are that 47 % of the POPULATION pay NO fed income taxes,
NOT 47% of obama voters..
try watching the video.



The ignorance of the deniers is astounding



The ignorance of Obama voters is stunning.

Keep telling yourself things are better than they were four years ago, that all middle class voters are Obama voters, and that everyone who is disgusted by Obama's corruption is a tea bagger.

No matter how many Obama lies you repeat or how many times you repeat them they'll still be lies.




I never claimed all middle class voters are Obama voters or that anyone who is disgusted by Obamas "corruption" Is a teabagger.
That is coming from your own non comprehension.
Prove the lies or dont... you are amusing, but not interesting





It is impossible to prove lies because they are untrue, this is why Obama's apologists are struggling.

I'll try to explain using language even a child could understand. I still expect you to be bewildered and in full on denial mode..

The NDAA dovetails with Obama's executive Order. Obama can use the NDAA to essentially declare Martial Law in the USA.

The NDAA does not grant the President the authority to declare martial law. Nothing has ever given the President such authority.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 4:34:27 PM   
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try keeping to one subject at a time,
I was discussing in THAT particular post, the 47% issue, not the EO bullshit
Proving the truth .... debunks lies...
which, so far you have done nothing but rant



Yup bewildered, you repeatedly asked about the EO and fascism.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

PS, Iso, here is the actual link to the PDF... now please give us line and or lines that give details on DECLARING MARTIAL LAW(peacetime or otherwise)
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012-03-22/pdf/2012-7019.pdf
or
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2012.html
look for the 13603 link, read it slowly, and then come back to us.
Im sure we will be holding our breaths.
oh and your sources to prove otherwise would be nice, not just some random names.
prove it ...please, all of your "claims"


The sources are the NDAA and the EO. Read them, they have meaning.

The 47% thing is beyond absurd. What are you claiming? That the Middle Class was insulted even if they loathe Obama and do not consider themselves Obama voters or the twisted income tax claim or what?

Obama voters are trying so hard to mindlessly spin this its become completely muddled and impossible to follow for anyone who is capable of critical thinking.

As far as the "everything's terrific" talking point its too stupid to bother with.



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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 4:36:14 PM   
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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 4:39:07 PM   
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Spin the top anyway you want it was IGNORAT, AROGANT, and demonstrated disconnect with MOST Americans. His adherents are alas the very useful idiots they decry.


What does that mean, "His adherents are alas the very useful idiots they decry"? Does that mean we who would vote for Mitt are "useful idiots"? I'm not sure where you think you have the right to say this about fellow citizens.

Now, I read the quote. Romney is correct. 47 percent of those voting for Obama pay no taxes and will vote for anyone who gives them a free ride and Mitt is correct in not worrying about them (as far as trying to get their vote) because they indeed vote for whomever will give them a free ride and Mitt will not. As neither would President Clinton when he was in office.

So what. Now if you wish to make yourself feel better about the unfortunate Obama presidency by spinning Mitt's comments and trying to attack a very great man then do so because those who are not in the 47 percent of those who might vote for Obama and those who would not vote to extend more of the last four years simply are amused at your rants and those of the "mainstream" press.

However, it is amusing. The more rants by his supporters then the less likely Obama will be re-elected. That is due to the inverse rant rule: "the more they rant the more desperate they are", and the ranting is reaching record levels. This reminds me of when the great Ronald Reagan was running for president against Carter. Rant on you 47 percenters.





You didnt read the quote if you think that "Romney is correct. 47 percent of those voting for Obama pay no taxes" he clearly said 47% of voters"all voters" pay no taxes. He seems to be forgetting many elderly and poor voters, who pay no taxes, also vote Republican. Add to this many are, make that were, undecided. Mitt has shot himself in the foot big time, I just watched a new report from the US which interviewed how people would vote. Romney didnt fare to well, one Republican interviewedsaid he was embarressed that Romney was standing for election.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 4:40:06 PM   
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The NDAA does not grant the President the authority to declare martial law. Nothing has ever given the President such authority.


President's twist the Law quite often. The NDAA is designed to be twisted. One US President even murders US citizens using drones without a trial. His name is Obama.

I did read the quote politesub, I just don't believe that anyone but Obama voters are being viewed with contempt.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 4:42:44 PM   
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The NDAA does not grant the President the authority to declare martial law. Nothing has ever given the President such authority.


President's twist the Law quite often. The NDAA is designed to be twisted. One US President even murders US citizens using drones without a trial. His name is Obama.

So you admit there is no such language in the NDAA but you still insist it can be used in that way. Under that 'theory' any law can be used for anything, which is obvious nonsense.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 4:42:50 PM   
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The ignorance of Obama voters is stunning.

Keep telling yourself things are better than they were four years ago, that all middle class voters are Obama voters, and that everyone who is disgusted by Obama's corruption is a tea bagger.

No matter how many Obama lies you repeat or how many times you repeat them they'll still be lies.





Things are worse than they were four years ago ? Are we on about the same September 2008 when the entire US economy was on the brink of collapse ?

I cant believe some of you are this stupid.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 4:43:20 PM   
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try keeping to one subject at a time,
I was discussing in THAT particular post, the 47% issue, not the EO bullshit
Proving the truth .... debunks lies...
which, so far you have done nothing but rant



Yup bewildered, you repeatedly asked about the EO and fascism.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

PS, Iso, here is the actual link to the PDF... now please give us line and or lines that give details on DECLARING MARTIAL LAW(peacetime or otherwise)
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012-03-22/pdf/2012-7019.pdf
or
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2012.html
look for the 13603 link, read it slowly, and then come back to us.
Im sure we will be holding our breaths.
oh and your sources to prove otherwise would be nice, not just some random names.
prove it ...please, all of your "claims"


The sources are the NDAA and the EO. Read them, they have meaning.

The 47% thing is beyond absurd. What are you claiming? That the Middle Class was insulted even if they loathe Obama and do not consider themselves Obama voters or the twisted income tax claim or what?

Obama voters are trying so hard to mindlessly spin this its become completely muddled and impossible to follow for anyone who is capable of critical thinking.

As far as the "everything's terrific" talking point its too stupid to bother with.



Then please learn to use the CORRECT quote of my posting.
Im not responsible for your lack of ability to discern the correct one
YOU ARE
helloooooo?


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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 4:47:17 PM   
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The NDAA does not grant the President the authority to declare martial law. Nothing has ever given the President such authority.


President's twist the Law quite often. The NDAA is designed to be twisted. One US President even murders US citizens using drones without a trial. His name is Obama.

I did read the quote politesub, I just don't believe that anyone but Obama voters are being viewed with contempt.



I wasnt talking to you and didnt even quote you......unless you have two profiles.

But to be fair, I did quote a later post of yours further down the page.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 4:47:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

try keeping to one subject at a time,
I was discussing in THAT particular post, the 47% issue, not the EO bullshit
Proving the truth .... debunks lies...
which, so far you have done nothing but rant



Yup bewildered, you repeatedly asked about the EO and fascism.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

PS, Iso, here is the actual link to the PDF... now please give us line and or lines that give details on DECLARING MARTIAL LAW(peacetime or otherwise)
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012-03-22/pdf/2012-7019.pdf
or
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2012.html
look for the 13603 link, read it slowly, and then come back to us.
Im sure we will be holding our breaths.
oh and your sources to prove otherwise would be nice, not just some random names.
prove it ...please, all of your "claims"


The sources are the NDAA and the EO. Read them, they have meaning.

The 47% thing is beyond absurd. What are you claiming? That the Middle Class was insulted even if they loathe Obama and do not consider themselves Obama voters or the twisted income tax claim or what?

Obama voters are trying so hard to mindlessly spin this its become completely muddled and impossible to follow for anyone who is capable of critical thinking.

As far as the "everything's terrific" talking point its too stupid to bother with.



Then please learn to use the CORRECT quote of my posting.
Im not responsible for your lack of ability to discern the correct one
YOU ARE
helloooooo?



Correct post? Perhaps you should label them then, they don't make any sense as written. Thanks.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 4:56:40 PM   
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Correct post? Perhaps you should label them then, they don't make any sense as written. Thanks.

It looks like the only one incapable of telling the difference is you.
As I said, not my problem.
definitely on your own there.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 5:29:07 PM   
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But to be fair, I did quote a later post of yours further down the page.


Yeah it read like it was directed at me so gave an answer. Sorry.

Anyway "the bitter clingers" Obama told to go to the "back of the bus" aren't going to identify with Obama even if they pay no taxes.

Leftists and Obama in particular are viewed with derision and contempt by a great many US citizens. Lower middle class white men who don't like Obama won't identify with the loathed Left for example. They will not see themselves as part of "the other" that they already fear and disdain.

The Nation is sharply divided and the genuine venom and rage from both sides is so intense that if the term "Obama voter" is used people are not going to be insulted if they didn't already plan on voting for Obama.

Its likely unthinkable to a non Obama voter that they should consider themselves an "Obama voter" and be insulted.

Millions of US citizens genuinely know that Obama is far worse than Jimmy Carter. Its simply not open to dispute to any of them.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 5:40:44 PM   
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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 6:06:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I must say this sounds like from your "post " this sounds like the "civil war"!!!!

What Mitt Romey said was so bad so disrespecting to so many "MILLIONS OF AMERICANS"!

It is so sickening to hear a man who wants to lead our country to where? Do you even know?

When you wrote this did you think of what other people would say?

Did you think long and hard about this matter of what it meant to all of the people who were counting on him to be
the GREAT WHITE HOPE OR HOOT!

I have heard many secret speeches not meant for the ears of the public but this one is so damn stupid, he did not think of
you!

Or are you the other perctile of the Americans who happen to one of the {lucky ones who is loves by Mit Romey}

Be a realist and see it is for what it is, a joke!

I am so sad your American seeker of the seat does not even care for others!

Now you say Obama is worse them Jimmy Carter, wow oh did you forget he was the one who happen
to get the most wanted man planet earth?

Ok bring something else to the table to tell others a more detail view why he is worse then former President Jimmy Carter, oh yes this
is how your are to address former Presidetns!

It is always good to read and reply and I hope to get an answer from you!

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 6:37:24 PM   
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From Mother Jones with five video clips.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser

During a private fundraiser earlier this year, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney told a small group of wealthy contributors what he truly thinks of all the voters who support President Barack Obama. He dismissed these Americans as freeloaders who pay no taxes, who don't assume responsibility for their lives, and who think government should take care of them.


Yayyy Romney, theres gonna be far tooo many who will agree with him, but ouch....



Actually, what he said was:

(Essentially) "those 47% who get their money from the govt., I'd be hard pressed to get their votes...but there are some in the middle who actually want to improve their lot in life....those, I think we can get".

How do you argue with that?

If your check comes from GM....you're going to be rah rah about GM.

If it comes from the government....it ain't fucking rocket science.

(And that's essentially what he said).

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 6:47:15 PM   
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"those 47% who get their money from the govt.".

How do you argue with that?


Well, those 47% don't get their money from the government. It's yet another myth he actually seems to believe.

Putting Mr. Clueless in charge of this fantasy about the economy strikes me as dumb.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 7:17:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I work every day of the week. I pay my bills...on time. I have no debt. I have my own health care insurance. I don't pay taxes but I didn't make the tax codes. Bush did and people have been clinging to them with a passion that means their life to them ever since. I used to pay FICA before that though. I have to say that while 47% of the working class doesn't pay taxes due to the tax codes which were supposed to be temporary, that also includes tax breaks and, of course, their requirements of not having to pay on unearned income. (Investments, stocks and so on). So the major ones paying their fair share of taxes are the upper income middle class.

Besides...I would rather vote for a man who is for the whole country, not a man who only cares about 53% of it, and flip flops on a dime's notice. He says one thing and does another. Just what WILL he do, if he makes it to office. I know one thing. He won't make it on my vote!




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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/18/2012 7:51:59 PM   
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Romney is officially unemployed on the only tax return we've seen so he paid nothing in payroll taxes and his entire federal tax burden was 13.9%.


Apparently it's just the way blood sucking parasites operate. Hey Ken ... whatdayah say we have ourselves a $50k per/plate dinner with all the Politics & Religion people in attendance. Oh wait... that leaves me with only enough to pay the taxes I supposedly don't  pay.
   You know what I need? A President who views me as a drag on society, looking for a handout. I'll feel better then, I'm sure.

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