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Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining do... - 11/5/2012 8:37:49 PM   
Duskypearls


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http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/11/vaccine-bombshell-baby-monkeys-develop-autism-symptoms-after-obtaining-doses-of-popular-vaccines/
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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/5/2012 8:50:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fascinating research, I have always felt there was some sort of link between at least some incidences of autism and vaccines.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/5/2012 9:05:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		No shocker there! Celiac association has also done studies on the benefits of wheat free/dairy free diet on autism...impressive improvements

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/5/2012 9:07:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		The previous studies on this (yes, there have been some) have indicated a negative correlation, i.e. that vaccination results in unchanged or slightly lower rates of incidence. If vaccines should prove to be effective in causing it, though, we might have a way to increase the incidence, which would be good. In that regard, it's good to have more studies.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/5/2012 9:08:55 PM   
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No shocker there! Celiac association has also done studies on the benefits of wheat free/dairy free diet on autism...impressive improvements


Have any of those been peer reviewed studies with a control group and later repeated by other investigators?

Everything I've seen on wheat/dairy so far has failed to show effects when attempts at repeating the findings were made.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/5/2012 9:44:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone who really thinks this is the first study on vaccines/autism isn't competent to discuss any medical issue. Or is severely allergic to using the internet for research. Current research has identified several gene markers of inherited tendencies to autism, several others of parental 'lifestyle' associated genetic damage that are associated with descendant's autism and some interesting biochemical changes in autism spectrum disorders that may offer both better diagnostics and deeper understanding of autism spectrum etiology.
'Vaccine related autism' has been removed as a correlated cause about as conclusively as our research capabilities allow. Autism is not down in vaccine use where thimerosal has been discontinued or in control groups that are vaccine free. Discussions and research continue as to whether the rates of autism spectrum disorder are real events or aftifacts of the diagnositic popularity of 'autism' to explain more and more unusual behaviors.
What is clear is that the current and growing rates of autism still affects far less children than the diseases the vaccines prevent. Few here have relatives old enough to remember how many peers were killed, maimed or brain damaged by the various childhood diseases unfamiliar to first world parents. Some of these diseases are returning due to the anti-vaccine campaigns largely led by guilt ridden parents desperate to find an external cause of the problems their children suffer. The pioneers well understood what is now heresy to many 'citizens' of our entitled culture: "Sometimes shit just happens." At least with modern pediatric vaccines, many of the understood causes of 'shit happening' can be prevented. Got polio? Keep not vaccinating the kids and your grandchildren will. Every class of primary school I went to had kids on crutches and others who didn't make it. Then we were given the Salk and Sabin vaccines and we stopped seeing more kids crippled. Polio is almost eradicated from the planet. Many more parents who don't understand basic biology and we may see it everywhere again. Measles produced far more brain damaged kids directly or in mothers who lost or had damaged babies than current autism rates. That's returning as people drink the anti-vaccination koolaid. The list is longer, educated people know the score, I'm hungry and need dinner. The data is there for anyone who wants to read.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/5/2012 9:53:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see where anyone here stated that they thought this was the FIRST study of it's kind, where did you get that from?

It's a study, not the first and certainly not the last of hundreds if not thousands.

I am far from an expert myself, but I don't think there is only one cause, I would not be surprised to find out there are several different causes/or reasons people become autistic.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/5/2012 9:57:35 PM   
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I don't see where anyone here stated that they thought this was the FIRST study of it's kind, where did you get that from?

It's a study, not the first and certainly not the last of hundreds if not thousands.

First sentence, first post. Where Do you start reading threads?

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/5/2012 10:00:33 PM   
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First sentence, first post. Where Do you start reading threads?


It does appear that is what she meant, but I don't think she really thinks that this is the first study on autism.

Perhaps, she mis-typed?

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/5/2012 10:10:15 PM   
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Everything I've seen on wheat/dairy so far has failed to show effects when attempts at repeating the findings were made.


I don't know about studies and this is anecdotal, but my nephew with aspergers (on the autism spectrum) does so much better on gluten/wheat free and with a restriction of raw milk being his only dairy.

His "symptoms" skyrocket when he eats the wrong foods. That's enough for my sister to go on, to continue the restricted diet.


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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/5/2012 10:11:05 PM   
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Pediatric physician here, this study is a joke. There was an attempt to publish it in 2008 and it was withdrawn. Now it shows up again with another name. READ the study yourself. There is a control group of THREE monkeys...you can't really make any sort of credible conclusion from that. I can't tell you the number of times I have had to talk to parents about this subject. There is no credible connection between vaccines and autism. Vaccines SAVE lives! Not vaccinating your kid doesn't just put your child at danger but it puts everyone's child at danger.

So, I poked around on the webz...

http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2012/05/this-is-going-around-new-study-baby-monkeys-develop-autism-after-routine-cdc-vaccinations.html

The first research project to examine effects of the total vaccine load received by children in the 1990s has found autism-like signs and symptoms in infant monkeys vaccinated the same way. The study’s principal investigator, Laura Hewitson from the University of Pittsburgh, reports developmental delays, behavior problems and brain changes in macaque monkeys that mimic “certain neurological abnormalities of autism.”

The findings are being reported Friday and Saturday at a major international autism conference in London.

Although couched in scientific language, Hewitson’s findings are explosive. They suggest, for the first time, that our closest animal cousins develop characteristics of autism when subjected to the same immunizations – such as the MMR shot — and vaccine formulations – such as the mercury preservative thimerosal — that American children received when autism diagnoses exploded in the 1990s.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/05/17/some-monkey-business-in-autism-research/

It sounds like this is just making the rounds again.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/5/2012 10:15:12 PM   
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People who spread these rumours should experience the horrors of polio, diphtheria, and tetanus first hand, so get off the internet, volunteer in Africa and get back to us, OK? Or if you can't get out of the basement, watch some March of Dimes videos from the 50's, and 30's movies of poor black kids choking to death on their diphtheria membranes, poor white trash kids dying from tetanus breaking their backs from spasms, people in iron lungs and leg braces from polio.
You benefited from your parents getting you your own immunisations. Now don't come back until you've done REAL science.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/5/2012 10:25:23 PM   
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This might be a good read for those who are concerned.

http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/07/16/from-imfar-to-poland-how-a-monkey-study-can-totally-change/

It includes the 2008 study with one published in Poland that now has a defunct link. Something definitely does not pass the smell test here.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/5/2012 10:29:24 PM   
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I try not to post on the majority of these threads, I just think it's interesting.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/5/2012 10:30:38 PM   
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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 9:11:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida
I don't know about studies and this is anecdotal, but my nephew with aspergers (on the autism spectrum) does so much better on gluten/wheat free and with a restriction of raw milk being his only dairy.

I recommend plain yoghurt instead of milk.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 10:07:26 AM   
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This totally bogus study has been floating around since 2008. It was done by anti vax frauds and it was manipulated to get the desired result. There is a simple test to determine if an anti vaccine activist is telling you a lie, if they are telling you something, it is a lie.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 10:35:20 AM   
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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 10:52:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

Finally, someone does a study!

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/11/vaccine-bombshell-baby-monkeys-develop-autism-symptoms-after-obtaining-doses-of-popular-vaccines/

Throwing shit at people is normal behaviour for monkeys, not autism, dear.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 10:55:15 AM   
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What was causing autism before vaccines?

Bad parenting.
That's one of the main reasons for the spike in autism diagnosis besides better screening (and the widening of autism to cover a much greater range of conditions): when it was the done thing to blame parents for autistic kids, no shrink wanted to do so if they could possibly avoid it.

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