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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 9:28:09 PM   
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ETA: Lets go on the assumption that if I pulled your post, it was either flaming a user or against TOS, or referenced a pulled post. If anyone has a specific question about a specific post, cmail me, and I will be glad to clear any questions up.

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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 9:29:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not reading 12 pages of post so ..... I have only seen people be told off that needed it . Guys that comehere looking for a one nighter or so guy who thinks he is Gos and demands respect where none should be given . If you don't give a little respect to someone who ask for it don't demand it for yourself .

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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 9:29:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

The reason Janah's post was saved was because the op asked "Am I stupid?". She answered him.



Yep, that was the the excuse I was given by the mods.

I think it's a poor excuse.

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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 9:31:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I've been on hundreds of sites and forums over the many years. Most no longer exist. If this one goes to hell as well, I'm fine with that. It's just the internet. Another one will spring up overnight. They always do.



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What I love MOST about these threads {and I have not seen one in a while}, is all the PEOPLE that protest a bit too much.

If this does not APPLY to you, and it is not happening/nor does it exist, why do people clamor on and protest about it so much?

People do gather in cliques here, and there is a group think/herd mentality/"cool kids" club, that often exists.

I do think those that are in it the most, can't see it/and don't want to see it.
They sure as hell don't want to admit it exists!
If they take off their rainbow shades, they MIGHT see the cliques!



It happens here and everywhere else on the internet.


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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 9:34:26 PM   
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I would say that if you get modslapped often then you should consider the possibility that the asshat is you.

I agree 100%

If it's only once in a blue moon then yeah - you're being edgy.

In the spirit of sharing, and without making any judgement about you as a human being (since I'm sure you're a wonderful person)

I really dislike your posting style. I think your posts are frequently unnecessarily obnoxious.

My posts are obnoxious - but they are usually in response to obnoxious people.

Your recent "you're pretty fucking stupid" response to a first time poster was disgusting

What you left out = was the name of his thread was - Am I Stupid? I think that within itself is stupid.

. It's one of the relatively small number of posts that I've reported and I was absolutely astonished that the mods didn't regard it as a clear violation of TOS. Sure - at the end of the day, they decide whether it was against TOS... but in my view their willingness to let people you say things like that in the face of no provocation at all really does harm the boards.

I promise you this - there is nothing here I post that I wouldnt say to that persons face.
When I post = its usually with conviction and Im not usually kidding about. To be honest with you - a lot of the people I respond to Im seriously surprised they have made it into adulthood. And as I have stated in a prior post - I restrain myself a lot - what I really want to say is probably best left for the vocabulary on Ice Road Truckers.

As I've admitted before - I can be pretty snarky, but I do try to make an effort to be understanding, and I'd really encourage you to do the same. Responding to someone whoe is being a complete asshat, or deliberately trolling is one thing... but perhaps those of us who are more prone to snark ought to ask ourselves "Does the person really deserve this?" before we hit "OK".


You may have missed it = but a lot of times I do post things that are nice and helpful - but you probably just focus on me asking or saying something that is either A) as far as Im concerned, more than deserved - or B) asking a question that I really would like to be clarified.

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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 9:42:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

People do gather in cliques here, and there is a group think/herd mentality that exists quite a bit.

I do think those that are in it the most, can't see it/and don't want to see it.
They sure as hell don't want to admit it exists!
If they take off their rainbow shades, they MIGHT see the cliques!



It happens here and everywhere else on the internet.


It seems most curiously strange, these people of leather and shackles and mentality bent, that they would withal draw unto themselves protocol, then not acknowledge the rulebook.

The pack isn't always a bad thing, but yes, it is assuredly there, even if members and directions change.

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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 9:43:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JanahX
What you left out = was the name of his thread was - Am I Stupid? I think that within itself is stupid.


And your reply was "Youre pretty fucking stupid ... NEXT -"

Can you see how a first poster might think - "Wow, that person is an obnoxious, unwelcoming asshat?"


quote:


You may have missed it = but a lot of times I do post things that are nice and helpful - but you probably just focus on me asking or saying something that is either A) as far as Im concerned, more than deserved - or B) asking a question that I really would like to be clarified.


Honestly, I don't focus on you very much, I've just gained this impression of you as someone who is often unnecessarily unpleasant.

I'm really just offering this as feedback... you don't have to consider it for a moment. You might consider it and discard it, or you might just consider it and think "yeah, that was unnecessarily unpleasant".

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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 9:46:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I've been on hundreds of sites and forums over the many years. Most no longer exist. If this one goes to hell as well, I'm fine with that. It's just the internet. Another one will spring up overnight. They always do.


«I've pissed in hundreds of waterholes over the many years. Most are no longer drinkable. If this one goes to hell as well, I'm fine with that. It's just a community. Another one will spring up overnight. They always do.»

See, in my world, that's called being a bad citizen.

Which, still in my world, you're free to be, if you like.

I'm just saying there's a reason why communities go bad: freeloaders, those that take without giving, that don't give a shit about the communities they drift through. You have captured the attitude very well in your post. When there are more posters with that attitude than with mine, a community goes to hell. You don't care about that, but a lot of people in those communities actually do. That's the essential thing with freeloading, and there can only be a certain percentage of freeloaders before things become a net loss.

I can be that way, too.

Heck, I have to discipline myself to act responsibly, as much as anyone else.

"Quality must become a habit", as I often say.

The corollary is it's my habit, so I tend to my own, and others tend to theirs. Sometimes I try to set a good example. Sometimes, I play the fucking white knight because nobody else is stepping up to the particular plate in question, howevermuch I hate playing that part. I much prefer being a devil's advocate guy, since that's my forte. Since the topic has been raised, though, I'm going to point out that I do mind freeloading. Not from slaves, as my worldview doesn't assign communal responsibility or accountability to slaves and I judge them by a different standard, but in others I do find it disappointing when the habit of quality isn't being cultivated, or when freeloading is a notable attitude.

My "native" posting style is what I use in the Gorean section, and it's a bit rougher around the edges than here, but still with an eye to the good of the community and a difference in nuance between those identifying as one and those that don't. With a few, but at times notable, exceptions I remain more courteous and constructive than the behaviors I'm talking about here.

This isn't because I want to be Mr. Squeaky Clean, or because I fail to appreciate a good snark.

But because I care, though that's fading fast.

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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 9:50:00 PM   
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And your reply was "Youre pretty fucking stupid ... NEXT -"

Can you see how a first poster might think - "Wow, that person is an obnoxious, unwelcoming asshat?"


No - because he left that door wide open. If he didnt have that door open in the first place - I wouldnt of ever commented on that thread = I really had no interest in it. Maybe he learned that it was a pretty dumb thing to say in the first place. Then again maybe not - then again I really dont care, or what he thinks of me whether Im an asshat or anything else for that matter.

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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 9:52:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JanahX

<snip>

But I think there were a lot of popcorn eaters.

<snip>



Well fuck...now I want popcorn. Dammit!

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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 9:57:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm seeing a commonality crop up.

Take it as you will, but indifference, not caring, yet making the effort to post, seems contradictory.

If you don't care, then why post? If you do care, why not post something worth hearing or thinking about?

Hell, not everything that falls from my lips is a glittery gem, but not making that effort diminishes my words, my meaning, and undermines the purpose of my shared thought.

I guess if you don't care then none of that matters...but it still brings up the question. Why bother?

(This isn't aimed at you Janah, I've seen several posters here sum up their contribution with an impersonation of Lucille Ball. It doesn't really say much about pack mentality, but it does brightly demonstrate how easy it is to vomit an opinion without purpose.)

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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 10:00:59 PM   
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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 10:02:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		there could be a number of reasons - like for example - In the "Am I Stupid?" just total opportunism. Plus - Im pretty impulsive by nature anyways.

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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 10:03:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JanahX

quote:

And your reply was "Youre pretty fucking stupid ... NEXT -"

Can you see how a first poster might think - "Wow, that person is an obnoxious, unwelcoming asshat?"


No - because he left that door wide open. If he didnt have that door open in the first place - I wouldnt of ever commented on that thread = I really had no interest in it.


So you're really saying that you can't see how a first time poster might think that?

Are you sure?

quote:


Maybe he learned that it was a pretty dumb thing to say in the first place. Then again maybe not - then again I really dont care, or what he thinks of me whether Im an asshat or anything else for that matter.


Ah... so while on one hand you're taking a position that you don't think that people are mean, then you justify yourself by saying that it was a pretty dumb thing to say, then you say that you don't really care what he thinks.

Hmm... if we were friends I'd be saying "oh c'mon... get your head out of your arse for one second, buddy!"

I think you were perfectly entitled to say "Yes - you are being stupid". It wouldn't have been all that helpful, but hey you're entitled to your opinion.

I think it was unnecessarily rude of you to day "Youre pretty fucking stupid ... NEXT -"

But it's ok... it's not important to me that you like me, and it's not important to you that I like you.

I'm guessing you're not able to understand why it is why I find your posting style so offensive, but I'm sure it doesn't matter to you, just as it doesn't matter to me.

So I'll leave it with this - if I do see you saying something on a topic I'm interested in that I agree with, I'll be sure and agree with you, if I see you saying something I disagree with I'll do my best to disagree with you politely, and when I feel that you've been unnecessarily unpleasant I'll either ignore you or report your post.



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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 10:03:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Action without thought is what creates the newbies that get flamed down. Wouldn't you rather set an example, than do the same thing you dislike in others? (I admit that is an assumption, by all means, correct me if I'm wrong.)

Edited To Add: Owning my mistake. I switched the words action and thought because I'm tired and had an idea in my head that my fingers mixed up. Sorry for any confusion.


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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 10:07:57 PM   
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What's important to me are those people intimate and close to me in real life.


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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 10:09:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not in that instance - But this is also one thing I posted out of 3250 posts Ive made over the years.
And in all reality - I answered his question.

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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 10:10:19 PM   
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«To live a good life, one must live in a great community.»

According to R. C. Solomon and K. M. Higgins, this was a common sentiment with the Greeks.

I think they had a point. I would throw in a bit of C. Lamb there to make my own take on it:

«To become great, one must live among greatness.»

There's a bit of give and take in that.

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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 10:11:25 PM   
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So you're really saying that you can't see how a first time poster might think that?

Are you sure?


Look if he didnt want to know - he shouldnt of asked it.

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RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? - 11/10/2012 10:13:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I just see it the same way I would react to entertainment on tv or reading a magazine or newspaper.


Consuming what others produce without being invested in the production.

Does that seem like an accurate summary?

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NB: Not saying you don't produce. You do. I've appreciated several contributions.


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