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Interesting how I set up the questions, isn't it? Both had put the sweat into it.

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The first response using the phrase "Union thug," Post#9:

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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Interesting how I set up the questions, isn't it? Both had put the sweat into it.

No, it isn't interesting at all.  They both hadnt put the sweat into it by a damn sight. 

One went to meetings, paid dues, advocated for better conditions, better benefits, better safety, supported his fellow workers. 

One pounded his meat and fucking whined, different kind of sweat.

I will leave it as an exercise to the reader (assuming the smallest of intellects) regarding which was which. 

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Yes. The union member is either aware of the history of unions and therefore is supporting the organizations that created the modern work experience or he knows that in general union workers are better paid than non union members. So the union member is either better informed or simply smarter than the non union member.

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ORIGINAL: blacksword404

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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So, Unions are only about bargaining for their members, and not for fair work practices? That is, if two people have the same experience, the same ability, the same employment duration, and perform the same work, the person that is Union should get more than the other one that isn't?

Yup, cuz he contracted, paid, and sweated for it.

Interesting how I set up the questions, isn't it? Both had put the sweat into it. It's not about the job, doing the job, being "capable" to do the job. It's about the money. And, if a position is worth $X, shouldn't everyone working that position get paid the same (certifications, tenure, credentials being the same?)?

Is a first-year Union teacher any better than a first-year non-Union teacher?

Yes. The union member is either aware of the history of unions and therefore is supporting the organizations that created the modern work experience or he knows that in general union workers are better paid than non union members. So the union member is either better informed or simply smarter than the non union member.

You may have a point. Being a union member seems to give you protection alright. I know in some European countries they do have wine with their lunch. Not here. They'd be calling for your balls. Pickled and in a jar.

http://now.msn.com/chrysler-reinstates-workers-fired-for-drinking-smoking-weed-on-the-job

Remember those Chrysler workers caught boozing it up and maybe smoking weed on the job? So, it seems, do a boatload of Twitter users who are screaming in protest after two of them have been reinstated. Footage was captured in in September 2010 of a group of auto employees drinking alcohol and smoking what appeared to be marijuana on their lunch break. With the auto bailout fresh in everyone's minds, as well as a visit to the plant from President Obama, Chrysler fired 13 workers and suspended two. But after a union-backed arbitration process, two are now back at work, prompting angry jokes and boycott threats online.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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Interesting how I set up the questions, isn't it? Both had put the sweat into it.

No, it isn't interesting at all.  They both hadnt put the sweat into it by a damn sight. 
One went to meetings, paid dues, advocated for better conditions, better benefits, better safety, supported his fellow workers. 
One pounded his meat and fucking whined, different kind of sweat.
I will leave it as an exercise to the reader (assuming the smallest of intellects) regarding which was which. 

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Yes. The union member is either aware of the history of unions and therefore is supporting the organizations that created the modern work experience or he knows that in general union workers are better paid than non union members. So the union member is either better informed or simply smarter than the non union member.

Not so if there is no choice to join or not to join, DomKen. Given the choice, I can see your point when a first-year teacher chooses to join. But, that still doesn't make him/her a better teacher.

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The first response using the phrase "Union thug," Post#9:

Lookie got that post completely wrong. The guy telling others to "back the fuck up" was bald... no hat.
Second.... the one who was wearing the hat.... talked calmly.
Third... the one who took a swing... 0.38..... footage is missing. We dont know what happened.
First glance, I have one reaction.
I prefer to wait until the unedited video comes out.
Think that has anything to do with Cowered not pressing charges yet? I would imagine if he does, he will have to release that full, unedited video.

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The first response using the phrase "Union thug," Post#9:

Lookie got that post completely wrong. The guy telling others to "back the fuck up" was bald... no hat.

Second.... the one who was wearing the hat.... talked calmly.

Third... the one who took a swing... 0.38..... footage is missing. We dont know what happened.

First glance, I have one reaction.

I prefer to wait until the unedited video comes out.

Think that has anything to do with Cowered not pressing charges yet? I would imagine if he does, he will have to release that full, unedited video.

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People I know who were at the rally says the people in the AFP tent brought it down themselves and the "comedian" spent the whole day trying to start fights. He eventually got lucky.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
People who are smarter and/or better informed would tend to be better teachers and with no other metric available I stand by my statement.

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If someone is in my face, then I will tell them to back up.. and I will keep getting louder and louder.
Again, we have a highly edited video. We have no clue what was said before hand, or afterwards, or between....

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
If someone is in my face, then I will tell them to back up.. and I will keep getting louder and louder.
Again, we have a highly edited video. We have no clue what was said before hand, or afterwards, or between....

He didn't tell Crowder to "back up." I have no problem with someone telling someone else to back up, and getting more vocal with it, but that's not what was shown. That's not what that guy was doing. Are you saying it's okay to act with violence and/or rage when it's not a matter of life and death?

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People I know who were at the rally says the people in the AFP tent brought it down themselves and the "comedian" spent the whole day trying to start fights. He eventually got lucky.

I had to laugh at his offer not to press charges if this guy will fight him in a mix style martial arts fight.
I hope the guy says.. fuck you.. and gets an investigation. I would love to see the raw footage
The Video of a witness seeing them take the tent down themselves.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/tea-partiers-stage-fake-union-thug-ev

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
If someone is in my face, then I will tell them to back up.. and I will keep getting louder and louder.
Again, we have a highly edited video. We have no clue what was said before hand, or afterwards, or between....

He didn't tell Crowder to "back up." I have no problem with someone telling someone else to back up, and getting more vocal with it, but that's not what was shown. That's not what that guy was doing. Are you saying it's okay to act with violence and/or rage when it's not a matter of life and death?

Do we know what was said in the edited parts? Do we know what happened between these two men? I dont.... nor am I going to make assumptions either way. I said what I would do.

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Did I say it was true?