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DesideriScuri -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 5:32:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Do you believe edited footage is true? Im not worried if you believe its "tactic support" or not. My thing is finding out information and providing it to others based upon what people post.


Unless I'm guessing there is a shitload of cgi editing, yes, the actions shown on the video happened. Do I believe that edited tape shows the whole story? Absolutely not, which is why I join with you in being interested in seeing the raw footage.

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Make a claim that 20% of high school students are dropping out because they would rather pick their nose, and I will look for that study. If no study, Im gonna ask where you got that information from.
Ken stated he was told by "people at the rally" that the group was tearing down their own tent. Sure enough, I find a video with a witness saying just that.
I am not responsible for how you interpret my posting such information.


Yeah, you do everyone's research. I've said it before that you amaze me with how much research you do, but I'm calling bullshit on that one.




subspaceseven -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 5:35:42 AM)

Well it seems there are others speaking out against the Fox News reporter, stating that he was in the crowd provoking them and attempting to get some of them all wired up...

Hmmmm...Fox news has yet to comment on the witnesses coming forward..I take it since it is beginning to look as the truth has not completely come out you will hold off judgment...You know how you claim to do in other treads waiting for all the information to come
out

But nooooo...it's just those union people or thugs as the stereotype has been pushed in this thread......Gosh...Fox news has not reported the whole story...what are the odds


from Fox News ...."An edited video that Crowder posted of the scuffle shows a man punching Crowder repeatedly and another man grabbing him from behind after he'd walked away.

Gosh how quick people are to believe an admitted edited video of the event from the person making the charges...




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 5:40:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The first response using the phrase "Union thug," Post#9:


Lookie got that post completely wrong. The guy telling others to "back the fuck up" was bald... no hat.

Second.... the one who was wearing the hat.... talked calmly.

Third... the one who took a swing... 0.38..... footage is missing. We dont know what happened.

First glance, I have one reaction.

I prefer to wait until the unedited video comes out.

Think that has anything to do with Cowered not pressing charges yet? I would imagine if he does, he will have to release that full, unedited video.


Not completely wrong...the guy in the AT&T hat was a union guy wearing a Chinese made hat.




mnottertail -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 7:45:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
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Interesting how I set up the questions, isn't it? Both had put the sweat into it.

No, it isn't interesting at all.  They both hadnt put the sweat into it by a damn sight. 
One went to meetings, paid dues, advocated for better conditions, better benefits, better safety, supported his fellow workers. 
One pounded his meat and fucking whined, different kind of sweat.
I will leave it as an exercise to the reader (assuming the smallest of intellects) regarding which was which. 


You don't know that the other person didn't advocate for the same things, and supported his fellow teachers. The only difference might be the meetings, and definitely the dues.




No, we know he didnt walk the picket line, support the union, negotiate and fight for wages, benefits, and conditions.

We know he was a fucking socialist self entitled dickwiggler.

What the fuck is it with these nazi teabaggers and their entitlement mentality anyway? 




tazzygirl -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 9:08:10 AM)

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Not completely wrong...the guy in the AT&T hat was a union guy wearing a Chinese made hat.


I already posted where that had was made... and its not China.




tazzygirl -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 9:13:28 AM)

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Yeah, you do everyone's research. I've said it before that you amaze me with how much research you do, but I'm calling bullshit on that one.


Call bullshit all you want. When I agree with something, I say so. When I dont, I say so. I have no proof either way, so I said nothing and just put the link up. The choice is yours to believe or not.

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Unless I'm guessing there is a shitload of cgi editing, yes, the actions shown on the video happened. Do I believe that edited tape shows the whole story? Absolutely not, which is why I join with you in being interested in seeing the raw footage.


I didnt say the man didnt get punched. I did say there was video missing that led up to that event. There is a reason its not being shown.




DomKen -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 10:08:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: switchdavid69

Liberals/union members always are harping on 'freedom of choice'. I guess that doese'nt matter when someome wants to choose not to join a union.

People should be free to join or not join any union they want. However if they work in a shop where the union negotiates with the employer they should pay dues to the union to pay for the union negotiating on their behalf whether they want a union card or not.




DomKen -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 10:10:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: blacksword404


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Chrysler lost the arbitration case so the issue is with either chrysler's legal staff or with a bad arbitrator. I fail to see how the union is at fault here.


Didn't they go to bat for these guys to get them reinstated?


It would be a violation of the law and of the union's contract to not provide support to any employee who is fired or demoted etc.. The union must represent every employee no matter what.




lovmuffin -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 10:45:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
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Interesting how I set up the questions, isn't it? Both had put the sweat into it.

No, it isn't interesting at all.  They both hadnt put the sweat into it by a damn sight. 
One went to meetings, paid dues, advocated for better conditions, better benefits, better safety, supported his fellow workers. 
One pounded his meat and fucking whined, different kind of sweat.
I will leave it as an exercise to the reader (assuming the smallest of intellects) regarding which was which. 


You don't know that the other person didn't advocate for the same things, and supported his fellow teachers. The only difference might be the meetings, and definitely the dues.




No, we know he didnt walk the picket line, support the union, negotiate and fight for wages, benefits, and conditions.

We know he was a fucking socialist self entitled dickwiggler.

What the fuck is it with these nazi teabaggers and their entitlement mentality anyway? 



When you invoke the term "Nazi" you lose all credibility. I see it as a desperate attempt to lash out.




mnottertail -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 10:48:46 AM)

Thank you for the analyzation, Mr. Freud.   Now, with your acute perception, what do you see when unknowing, idiotic fucksticks write stupid shit and claim it as truth, and they are at the 98th percentile from the 'right' and they whine and shit their pants in hysteria over their untrue and unrealistic fantasies that they claim to be rational thought, when it is all asswipe?

Write that one up for me.

Furthermore, if one notes that the Nazis have already done what the teabaggers are slavishly doing, in that they cravenly serve corporate interests to build a military-industrial complex for the purposes of transcend and perish, I don't hardly see what loss of crediblity would ensue from the truth of the matter.   




lovmuffin -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 11:23:23 AM)

Them's some pretty fancy words there. To some it up for you in simple English, the Tea Party is against corruption in government and running up the national debt. They're probably against the type of thuggery shown on that video too. They are no more like the Nazis than Captain Kangaroo is. But keep saying that and maybe it will come true.

Your Welcome,

Mr. Freud




tazzygirl -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 11:53:46 AM)

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Them's some pretty fancy words there. To some it up for you in simple English, the Tea Party is against corruption in government and running up the national debt. They're probably against the type of thuggery shown on that video too. They are no more like the Nazis than Captain Kangaroo is. But keep saying that and maybe it will come true.


The 18 percent of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.

Their responses are like the general public’s in many ways. Most describe the amount they paid in taxes this year as “fair.” Most send their children to public schools. A plurality do not think Sarah Palin is qualified to be president, and, despite their push for smaller government, they think that Social Security and Medicare are worth the cost to taxpayers. They actually are just as likely as Americans as a whole to have returned their census forms, though some conservative leaders have urged a boycott.

The overwhelming majority of supporters say Mr. Obama does not share the values most Americans live by and that he does not understand the problems of people like themselves. More than half say the policies of the administration favor the poor, and 25 percent think that the administration favors blacks over whites — compared with 11 percent of the general public.

“I just feel he’s getting away from what America is,” said Kathy Mayhugh, 67, a retired medical transcriber in Jacksonville. “He’s a socialist. And to tell you the truth, I think he’s a Muslim and trying to head us in that direction, I don’t care what he says. He’s been in office over a year and can’t find a church to go to. That doesn’t say much for him.”

When talking about the Tea Party movement, the largest number of respondents said that the movement’s goal should be reducing the size of government, more than cutting the budget deficit or lowering taxes.

And nearly three-quarters of those who favor smaller government said they would prefer it even if it meant spending on domestic programs would be cut.

But in follow-up interviews, Tea Party supporters said they did not want to cut Medicare or Social Security — the biggest domestic programs, suggesting instead a focus on “waste.”

Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.

Others could not explain the contradiction.

“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html?src=me&ref=general

Cut government.... Cut spending.... but dont cut what matters to ME!

Exactly how are they different than anyone else in this country?







Marc2b -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 12:00:49 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LRyuOOBx4Y&feature=plcp




lovmuffin -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 12:06:17 PM)

My point to mnot was they are not comparable Nazis. It is what it is. I'm all for eliminating waste and fraud. Surely there is nothing wrong with that. Surely it wasn't a Kool idea to raid the SS fund. Not a Kool idea to grow this monster of a government or charter a central bank. Not a kool idea to run up the deficit either like Obama a be his predisessor. Come to think of it, I think Obama is a socialist too. The tea party is against liberal democrats and many republicans who aren't that far apart from them.




DomKen -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 12:09:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LRyuOOBx4Y&feature=plcp

Very interesting. Looks like Crowder is not even a competent video editor.




DomKen -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 12:10:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

My point to mnot was they are not comparable Nazis. It is what it is. I'm all for eliminating waste and fraud. Surely there is nothing wrong with that. Surely it wasn't a Kool idea to raid the SS fund. Not a Kool idea to grow this monster of a government or charter a central bank. Not a kool idea to run up the deficit either like Obama a be his predisessor. Come to think of it, I think Obama is a socialist too. The tea party is against liberal democrats and many republicans who aren't that far apart from them.

I'm a socialist. Obama is not. Anyone who believes otherwise does not know what a socialist is or is lying.




lovmuffin -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 12:14:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

My point to mnot was they are not comparable Nazis. It is what it is. I'm all for eliminating waste and fraud. Surely there is nothing wrong with that. Surely it wasn't a Kool idea to raid the SS fund. Not a Kool idea to grow this monster of a government or charter a central bank. Not a kool idea to run up the deficit either like Obama a be his predisessor. Come to think of it, I think Obama is a socialist too. The tea party is against liberal democrats and many republicans who aren't that far apart from them.

I'm a socialist. Obama is not. Anyone who believes otherwise does not know what a socialist is or is



Well that explains it.




tazzygirl -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 12:14:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LRyuOOBx4Y&feature=plcp


Amazing... we now see the man who was swinging on Crowder was actually assaulted first.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 12:25:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LRyuOOBx4Y&feature=plcp


Thanks for the video!




DesideriScuri -> RE: Michigan (12/13/2012 12:32:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
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ORIGINAL: Marc2b
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LRyuOOBx4Y&feature=plcp

Amazing... we now see the man who was swinging on Crowder was actually assaulted first.


Can't quite tell what Crowder did to the guy that resulted in him being knocked down. I'm not surprised he came up swinging. I still don't see that as acceptable behavior.

I have to add that at no time have I stated that Crowder never provoked anyone, and that I have shown interest in seeing the raw footage. If he did provoke all those reactions, then he is more wrong than those who reacted to him. It doesn't exonerate their behaviors. I wonder how we could get hold of all]/i] the raw footage to see what happened.





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