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Real0ne -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 8:53:56 AM)

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Does a cop(or anyone for that matter) have to declare war to fire back at criminals?



I am sure some would say yes....

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-07-18/world/35487601_1_al-awlaki-drone-strikes-drone-campaign



And this is significant how?


Do the victims of al-queda get to file lawsuits against al-queda anywhere?


[8|]





how do you file a lawsuit against a cia database?




Global Research Editor’s Note

This article originally published by Global Research in 2005 sheds light on the nature of Al Qaeda, an intelligence construct used by Washington to destabilize and destroy sovereign countries, while sustaining the illusion of an outside enemy, which threatens the security of the Western World.

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Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.


“The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the ‘TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money.”

In yet another example of what happens to those who challenge the system, in December 2001, Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel was convicted by a secret French military court of passing classified documents that identified potential NATO bombing targets in Serbia to a Serbian agent during the Kosovo war in 1998. Bunel’s case was transferred from a civilian court to keep the details of the case classified. Bunel’s character witnesses and psychologists notwithstanding, the system “got him” for telling the truth about Al Qaeda and who has actually been behind the terrorist attacks commonly blamed on that group.




so why do you keep preaching bullshit?






Lucylastic -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 8:54:24 AM)


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interesting you did not notice the quotations.


quotations have nothing to do with it. You should go over to that thread and see what some Americans are saying about America....

There is a damn good reason exactly why i have not commented on that thread....yes the quotations DO mean something,that you dont get it, is not my problem.




BamaD -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 9:06:26 AM)


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There is an entire thread dedicated to trashing the US proclaming us to be the worlds greatest terrorists and you are whineing about a tag line?


And just where is this thread...I have not seen it.

See collateral murder




BamaD -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 9:07:49 AM)


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It wasn't the Americans, the Brits or any of the other Allies who won the war, it was the combined forces of millions of brave Allied foreskins.

Let that be the end of the matter.

Any rational person would have to agree with this statement.




Nosathro -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 9:07:53 AM)


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interesting you did not notice the quotations.


quotations have nothing to do with it. You should go over to that thread and see what some Americans are saying about America....


There is a damn good reason exactly why i have not commented on that thread....yes the quotations DO mean something,that you dont get it, is not my problem.



Now I know who took a grouch pill.[&:]




Nosathro -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 9:10:19 AM)


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There is an entire thread dedicated to trashing the US proclaming us to be the worlds greatest terrorists and you are whineing about a tag line?


And just where is this thread...I have not seen it.

See collateral murder


that is a discussion on current US policy, one that I can not support.




Lucylastic -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 9:21:26 AM)


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There is a damn good reason exactly why i have not commented on that thread....yes the quotations DO mean something,that you dont get it, is not my problem.



Now I know who took a grouch pill.[&:]

You shoulnt believe everything you think




Real0ne -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 10:02:00 AM)

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It wasn't the Americans, the Brits or any of the other Allies who won the war, it was the combined forces of millions of brave Allied foreskins.

Let that be the end of the matter.

Any rational person would have to agree with this statement.



fine but wars do not simply magically happen, they are orchestrated.

Every damn one of them, hence they have a specific purpose and lots of people die because they either fail to see that purpose.


and we all know this is a government of the people:


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omg stop yer whining bout poor wittle hitler. doubt anyone cares. [X(]



wall street created hitler and with britain and the international financiers forced him into war. the people of germany was on the brink of starvation and economically ruined from the first wall street attack.

What was hitler supposed to do to save germany?

people should care because its all part and party to the dirty shit that goes on behind the publics eye.

or at least the real purpose which is to break every countrys back (that can threaten status quo) so they are forced into receivership. The "nation state" is always set up to have "eminent domain" and receivership overrides your rights because your (attorneys) representatives contracted you into a debt you ass cant cash!

which is where the irs gets its jurisdiction even though it is not part of the government.

so its not hitler its how these countries deal behind the backs of the people.









mnottertail -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 10:07:25 AM)

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Every damn one of them, hence they have a specific purpose and lots of people die because they either fail to see that purpose.


While this sentence really makes no sense, there is very little in the world that, thru the actions of men, happens spontaneously and without purpose.

I doubt that failing to see that purpose is what kills people, it is usually the bombs and bullets.





YN -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 12:35:46 PM)


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Silly OP - Britian doesn't fight to the last American - it fights to the last colonial!

Get it right!


Yes, that is the way I understand it. The English must still regard the United States as part of their empire.




jlf1961 -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 12:48:20 PM)

I have actually met people from the UK that still refer to Canada and the United States as "The Colonies."

When politely informed that both places are independent from the UK, the United States for over 200 years, a few of them have replied with the statement, "Well sooner or later they will come to their senses and rejoin the empire."

Now these statements are made with absolute straight faces and no change in vocal tone from the rest of the conversation that I have no clue as to if it is a joke or not.

In reality, during WWII, if the United States had not started the lend lease program with the UK, and actually had US Navy helping to escort convoys bound for England as far as Iceland, the UK might have been able to hold its own, considering the man power the colonies afforded it, and might have prevailed on a single front war, however the UK was fighting on two fronts, if the Japanese had not attacked Pearl Harbor and had just attacked the European colonies in Asia.

From a historic perspective, the single greatest tactical and strategic mistake made was the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor followed by Germany's declaration of war against the US. That brought the US fully into the war, and forced the US to change its industrial production from domestic to a war production. At that time in history, no other country with the possible exception of the Soviet Union could match it.




YN -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 12:58:11 PM)

Actually, I think the Germans main mistake was attacking the Russians, but agree the Japanese main mistake was attacking the United States (which lead to the declaration of war by the Italians and then the Germans against the United States.)

The Russians broke the back of the Germans and the United States broke the Japanese.

The Germans had Europe under their thumb. And the Japanese demonstrated a powerful ability to defeat the Chinese, and the European colonies in East Asia. Without the Russians or the United States in the war, things would have been quite grim for Europeans, worldwide.




Powergamz1 -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 1:41:07 PM)

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I have actually met people from the UK that still refer to Canada and the United States as "The Colonies."

When politely informed that both places are independent from the UK, the United States for over 200 years, a few of them have replied with the statement, "Well sooner or later they will come to their senses and rejoin the empire."

Now these statements are made with absolute straight faces and no change in vocal tone from the rest of the conversation that I have no clue as to if it is a joke or not.
<SNIP>


Bear in mind within the whole 'Sun never sets' mentality, the American colonies were but a slice of the whole pie... The Raj, terra nullius, Opium Wars, Middle passage, forced child labor, appeasement, etc. were all in service to filling the King's/Queen's coffers. And if they weren't doing it to some group of victims who didn't look like them, then the Spanish, the French, the HRE, or some other empire was.

The fact that the American colonists escaped without being drained dry like India, the Congo, et alc. may have something to do with the xenophobic internet rhetoric heard today.

And British historians from Andrew Roberts to David Irving have spun quite a web of revisionism. I have friends who've worked at the Colonial Williamsburg/Yorktown Battlefield sites as rangers, living history actors and historians. The number of loyal subjects of the Crown who visit there every year is quite large. And invariably when the notion of Cornwallis' defeat and surrender is brought up, it elicits a wave of disbelief.

Nations and nationalists repeat predictable patterns, including denial and projection.




WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 2:10:32 PM)

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wall street created hitler and with britain and the international financiers forced him into war. the people of germany was on the brink of starvation and economically ruined from the first wall street attack.

What was hitler supposed to do to save germany?

nah, unemployment went down during tha nazi years & tha massive military spending from 1933/34 was bankrupting tha whole country. hitlers real issue going ta war was not economic conditions but his desire ta destroy "judeo-bolshevism" & get some lebensraum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Pre-war_economy:_1933.E2.80.931939 7

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Historians such as Richard Overy have argued that the importance of the memo, which was written personally by Hitler, can be gauged by the fact that Hitler, who had something of a phobia about writing, hardly ever wrote anything down, which indicates that Hitler had something especially important to say.[29] The "Four-Year Plan Memorandum" predicated an imminent all-out, apocalyptic struggle between "Judeo-Bolshevism" and German National Socialism, which necessitated a total effort at rearmament regardless of the economic costs.[30]

In the memo, Hitler wrote:

Since the outbreak of the French Revolution, the world has been moving with ever increasing speed toward a new conflict, the most extreme solution of which is called Bolshevism, whose essence and aim, however, are solely the elimination of those strata of mankind which have hitherto provided the leadership and their replacement by worldwide Jewry. No state will be able to withdraw or even remain at a distance from this historical conflict...It is not the aim of this memorandum to prophesy the time when the untenable situation in Europe will become an open crisis. I only want, in these lines, to set down my conviction that this crisis cannot and will not fail to arrive and that it is Germany's duty to secure her own existence by every means in face of this catastrophe, and to protect herself against it, and that from this compulsion there arises a series of conclusions relating to the most important tasks that our people have ever been set. For a victory of Bolshevism over Germany would not lead to a Versailles treaty, but to the final destruction, indeed the annihilation of the German people...I consider it necessary for the Reichstag to pass the following two laws: 1) A law providing the death penalty for economic sabotage and 2) A law making the whole of Jewry liable for all damage inflicted by individual specimens of this community of criminals upon the German economy, and thus upon the German people.[31]

Hitler called for Germany to have the world's "first army" in terms of fighting power within the next four years and that "the extent of the military development of our resources cannot be too large, nor its pace too swift" (italics in the original) and the role of the economy was simply to support "Germany's self-assertion and the extension of her Lebensraum".

ya can reply if ya want but then lets leave it there coz its waayy off topic or hadnt ya noticed? [8|]




PeonForHer -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 2:12:33 PM)


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Now these statements are made with absolute straight faces and no change in vocal tone from the rest of the conversation that I have no clue as to if it is a joke or not.


It's a joke. And if I met an American with your outlook, I'd crack the same joke and keep a similarly straight face while I'm doing it. [;)]




kdsub -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 2:13:43 PM)

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The Russians broke the back of the Germans and the United States broke the Japanese


Without THIS Russia would be speaking German today. The US was the reason Germany lost the war...not Russia, that could not have survived without our support, and the same with the British.

That said all nations suffered and sacrificed so it makes no difference in the end who did what...we just all did our part.

Butch




FatDomDaddy -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 2:30:34 PM)


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I have never heard this and not sure i even understand what it is to mean.

Butch


Its akin to the nonsense that you saved us from the Germans in two world wars Butch.




It's not nonsense and in the case of WWII without Lend Lease, the The British Isles would have fallen




And then we would be next.Not rocket science to figure out.

The Brits were taking a stand against evil long before we helped them.

Nothing says ugly American better than willful ignorance...... with a dash of arrogance.




I doubt it.... The world would have been very different (clearly) had the US not aided the United Kingdom (and the USSR) with Lend Lease but it is highly unlikely the Nazi's would have taken over and occupied North America.




herworshipper -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 2:30:59 PM)

It seems to me that the help from the US and the British speeded up the Russian victory in their war with the Germans. It would have taken longer if theyy did not have help. Keep in Mind that the US and Britain (except for a few small Islands in the Channel) were not occupied.

In many ways it could be said that Hitler defeated the Germans. His incompetent micromanaging the war was an insurmountable handicap to the professional officers of the German military. He caused them not to take moscow in the year of the war. He kept them from taking Stalingrad quickly and would not let them leave when it was clear that they were loosing the battle. He also significantly delayed the attack on Kursk, allowing the Russians to be well prepared when it actually came. Kursk stripped the German Army of most of it's armor. There was never again a major German offensive in the East after that.




jlf1961 -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 2:35:17 PM)


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Now these statements are made with absolute straight faces and no change in vocal tone from the rest of the conversation that I have no clue as to if it is a joke or not.


It's a joke. And if I met an American with your outlook, I'd crack the same joke and keep a similarly straight face while I'm doing it. [;)]


As my new tagline says, there are some British who seem to think that every other country should do things the British way. Emphasize some.

I actually admire the British, Welsh, Scot and Irish for the simple fact that the hold their history in high regard, instead of tearing down a structure that is old, the people seem to enjoy renovating and restoring them. They maintain the traditions of the Royal Family almost to the extreme, but it works for the UK. I know there are some that would like to see the royals either done away with, or at least toned down as to the living and financial burden placed on the budgets (at least those are the arguments I see on various web sites.)

Plus I have to admire the British military, specifically the army. One of my favorite movies is Zulu Dawn, about the battle at Rourke's Drift.

There have been tactical errors in the history of the British army, which army hasn't had them. I consider the raid on Dieppe as a waste of manpower. But the British in North Africa against Rommel, as well as the heroics of the British commandos on D Day.

There is a lot to admire about the British, however, it seems impossible to say to some from the UK that what has worked in the UK would probably not work in the States, simply due to the cultural differences, and the fact we have a two party democratic republic and the two parties cant agree on anything and the word compromise seems to be something so unholy that to try and do that would send the elected officials who are considering such a thing straight to hell.

The same is true when an American suggest that the UK adopt policies in used in the United States.

There are smug, holier than thou people in the UK, as there are in the US.

The only real thing I see wrong with the UK is the fact you people drive on the wrong side of the road.




kdsub -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 2:43:02 PM)

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seems to me that the help from the US and the British speeded up the Russian victory


Not British aid...just US... check the total aid in the Tables. While the US made 4,159,117 shipments to Russia. Britain and Canada combined made only 85,139.

Butch




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