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BamaD -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:25:46 PM)
The difference betwwen Americans and other ex colonials is we threw you out.

herworshipper -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:26:05 PM)
Yep, You got us. We hate geogrpahy, languages and any history that does not have us as the heros.

Politesub53 -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:28:10 PM)
Both films, like all films, contain fictional parts to excite the audiences. Casualty figures and numbers involved though are pretty accurate.

BamaD -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:29:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD We don't feel bullied by the Brits I know you don't, Bama - and therein lies the problem. You want to feel bullied by the Brits but know that it makes no frigging sense. Then you get pissed off at us for not accepting our role properly. No I don't Anthony Hopkins Odin No I get irritated with some Enlish posterswho go back and forth between telling us that since we are a younger country we should listen to them and telling us that our system is too old and set in it's ways. I get irritated with forginers saying all Americans who don't tow the line are unevolved and selfish. I haven't felt bullied since the 7th grade. but I don't like arrogent people who insist that anyone who disagrees with them are at best ignorant. That said I have a great deal of respect for the British and for thier traditions I just don't like being talked down too. Kenneth Branagh as I have told you before Hollywood uses some British actors as brilliant villians but they almost always use southerners as dumb villians; Sean Connery was typecast as a villian wasn't he.

PeonForHer -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:29:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kiwisub12 In other words, its kind of like listening to a white male complaining about how hard he has it. [8\|] Yep. It is. Except that this is a white male who was once, a long, long time ago, a thin slave, who is now free and has since become very, very fat, and is now claiming to be terrorised by the skinny, hungry bloke in the corner.

Politesub53 -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:30:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The difference betwwen Americans and other ex colonials is we threw you out. No, the French threw us out. Without lease lend, additional troops and the French Navy, you wouldnt have made it. Sounds like assertion of WWI and WWI ironically

Politesub53 -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:32:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: herworshipper Yep, You got us. We hate geogrpahy, languages and any history that does not have us as the heros. Dont start me on Hollywood films.

deathtothepixies -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:33:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer FR To Americans, and other ex-colonials: Seriously, please, please try to find some other country to feel bullied by. We Brits had an empire once, which was tiring and ultimately demoralising enough when we lost it, but then we fought in two world wars which, together, nearly killed off our little island altogether. We're tired, now, as well as a bit broke. We don't have the energy anymore. The best we can do is occasionally to supply actors like Anthony Hopkins, Jeremy Irons or Alan Rickman to play Super-Genius-Evil-Villains in your films. Please stop projecting onto us. It's a royal frigging pain in the arse. Thank you. We don't feel bullied by the Brits just a little irritated listening to a senile old man saying in my day..... We don't feel bullied by the Brits just a little irritated listening to another point of view At least you aren't the least bit smug or arrogant (end sarcasm). we have nothing to be smug and arrogant about, you just don't get it do you? It's all about you, not us, but you can't see it

PeonForHer -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:36:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The difference betwwen Americans and other ex colonials is we threw you out. Yep. Heads up: we don't care. We just don't care. All that just dissolves into old and boring history for us. Brit schoolkids sometimes ask, 'How did we lose America?' - but lose track of the answer. It was just one country amongst so, so many. The century before last, it might have mattered.

YN -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:37:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The difference betwwen Americans and other ex colonials is we threw you out. No, the French threw us out. Without lease lend, additional troops and the French Navy, you wouldnt have made it. Sounds like assertion of WWI and WWI ironically So the French soundly beat the English and tossed them out of the United States but refused to liberate their English occupied province of Quebec? Never mind certain other American former French possessions? That is a very interesting theory.

Master2811 -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:38:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I have never heard this and not sure i even understand what it is to mean. Butch Its akin to the nonsense that you saved us from the Germans in two world wars Butch. It's not nonsense and in the case of WWII without Lend Lease, the The British Isles would have fallen And then we would be next.Not rocket science to figure out. The Brits were taking a stand against evil long before we helped them. Nothing says ugly American better than willful ignorance...... with a dash of arrogance. Rubbish. First the UK and USA helped Hitler into power. Bankers and industrials from the UK and USA financed him, one of USA's most infuential family named Bush supported Hitler into power. The second world war, just like the first one, was created by USA and UK bankers and Industrials to earn big money in the military industrial complex.

BamaD -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:41:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Both films, like all films, contain fictional parts to excite the audiences. Casualty figures and numbers involved though are pretty accurate. Agreed although I think that Zulu Dawn was more agenda driven. The combat portions of both seem ver yclose to what actually happened.

BamaD -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:45:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies we have nothing to be smug and arrogant about, you just don't get it do you? It's all about you, not us, but you can't see it Well the first half is right.

herworshipper -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:50:39 PM)
Well, that IS one view of our fight for independence. We did need the help of the French, but so what. Getting allies and consultants is a part of any successful revolution. Where would the North Vietnamese have been without China and the Soviet Union? Where would the Viet Cong have been without he North Vietnamese? Where would Gandhi have been if the British Empire had not gone broke in WWII? Nobody successfully rebels against the most powerful Nation on Earth without help or even a lot of luck.

Politesub53 -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:54:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: herworshipper Well, that IS one view of our fight for independence. We did need the help of the French, but so what. Getting allies and consultants is a part of any successful revolution. Where would the North Vietnamese have been without China and the Soviet Union? Where would the Viet Cong have been without he North Vietnamese? Where would Gandhi have been if the British Empire had not gone broke in WWII? Nobody successfully rebels against the most powerful Nation on Earth without help or even a lot of luck. All true.

deathtothepixies -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 4:58:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The difference betwwen Americans and other ex colonials is we threw you out. Us Brits have a history, some may say a proud history, some may not. The history is there and anyone can argue about it anyway they want America is writing it's own history, and doing it pretty quickly and it's up to America to decide what that history will be. You have no one to blame but yourselves if that history is viewed badly, it has nothing to do with anyone but you. Your past is irrelevant, it's how you behave now and in the future that matters. I don't think that the current world view( sorry to mention the rest of the world, but it is important) of America is particularly positive, a lot of that is due to your insular nature. Your manufacturing sector is being crippled by the far east, your "wars against terror" are failing and your country is loaded with debt...... seems we have some common ground after all....... Please try and understand that the world exists outside your shores

TAFKAA -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 5:13:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I have actually met people from the UK that still refer to Canada and the United States as "The Colonies." When politely informed that both places are independent from the UK, the United States for over 200 years, a few of them have replied with the statement, "Well sooner or later they will come to their senses and rejoin the empire." Now these statements are made with absolute straight faces and no change in vocal tone from the rest of the conversation that I have no clue as to if it is a joke or not. sigh This is because British and Australian humour is dry and this is part of the joke. The trouble is that being American, you expect your humour to come with a laugh track. What they're doing is expecting you to recognise humorous hyperbole and demonstrate the ability to laugh at yourself. Because you take yourself and your country far too seriously, you fail. For reference: The sun set on the British Empire decades ago and every Briton knows it.

Nosathro -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 5:15:16 PM)
I believe the actual comment was "Fix bayonets and prepare to die like English Men" I think one movie that really does show true British Spirt is "Ironclad" subtitle "Heavy Metal goes Medieval. Okay the title a bit but it is based on what happen after Magna Carter was signed. For those who don't know, Prince John got about 1,000 Danish Mercenaries and went after the Barons who got him to sign the document. The last few managed to take Rochester Castle and fought to the last man. By the way Prince John and King Richard were not English, they were French, Richard never learned to speak English during his rule.

deathtothepixies -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 5:20:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro I believe the actual comment was "Fix bayonets and prepare to die like English Men" I think one movie that really does show true British Spirt is "Ironclad" subtitle "Heavy Metal goes Medieval. Okay the title a bit but it is based on what happen after Magna Carter was signed. For those who don't know, Prince John got about 1,000 Danish Mercenaries and went after the Barons who got him to sign the document. The last few managed to take Rochester Castle and fought to the last man. By the way Prince John and King Richard were not English, they were French, Richard never learned to speak English during his rule. were you in Spinal Tap?

PeonForHer -> RE: England will fight to the last American. (2/19/2013 5:23:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TAFKAA sigh This is because British and Australian humour is dry and this is part of the joke. The trouble is that being American, you expect your humour to come with a laugh track. What they're doing is expecting you to recognise humorous hyperbole and demonstrate the ability to laugh at yourself. Because you take yourself and your country far too seriously, you fail. For reference: The sun set on the British Empire decades ago and every Briton knows it. Correct in all matters. TAFKAA, though you may not be known as the most bubbly and sunny person on these forums, you can at least see that sort of humour and where it comes from. For a Kiwi, that's very perceptive indeed.

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