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I think you`re wrong about the worth of an (sincere) acknowledgment of mistakes or wrongdoing.


And it`s way to soon to declare failure or success

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Man sarcasm really does not work in this medium.

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I think you`re wrong about the worth of an (sincere) acknowledgment of mistakes or wrongdoing.


And it`s way to soon to declare failure or success

In this case Cameron strode on his tail each step of the way.

I first read of his impending trade mission some days ago while perusing the Asian news, and they mentioned his going to the memorial and apologizing as a part of the trip. One thing he was trying to do also was to talk India out of a big military deal with France and instead buy English.

Murphy's Laws being fully ascendant on this occasion, a major bribery scandal regarding English made helicopters sold through their Italian overcorporation occurred, immediate prior to his visit.

This set the background for the events that followed and which were discribed earlier in this thread. Cameron made grand speechs about the brotherhood and franternity between the English and India and went and visited this memorial to this minor outrage, at least as has been noted in this thread, among the many committed in colonial India, and did not apologize.

Further, when asked, as India usually does, about when the English planned to return this great diamond the English stole, he told India, the English were keeping it.

This led to the sort of commentary posted earlier, and both side walked away with their feelings hurt.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


I think you`re wrong about the worth of an (sincere) acknowledgment of mistakes or wrongdoing.


And it`s way to soon to declare failure or success

In this case Cameron strode on his tail each step of the way.

I first read of his impending trade mission some days ago while perusing the Asian news, and they mentioned his going to the memorial and apologizing as a part of the trip. One thing he was trying to do also was to talk India out of a big military deal with France and instead buy English.

Murphy's Laws being fully ascendant on this occasion, a major bribery scandal regarding English made helicopters sold through their Italian overcorporation occurred, immediate prior to his visit.

This set the background for the events that followed and which were discribed earlier in this thread. Cameron made grand speechs about the brotherhood and franternity between the English and India and went and visited this memorial to this minor outrage, at least as has been noted in this thread, among the many committed in colonial India, and did not apologize.

Further, when asked, as India usually does, about when the English planned to return this great diamond the English stole, he told India, the English were keeping it.

This led to the sort of commentary posted earlier, and both side walked away with their feelings hurt.

"The lady doth protest to much....me thinks...."

Shakespeare


Your bias is pretty obvious.


FYI......it is on you(or anyone) to prove your pronouncements and statements to others.......not the other way around.


And if you want any kind of success and influencing the debate,you must have an easliy persuasive argument.

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" To say exactly wouldn`t describe your bias.


It`s pretty much in every sentence.

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I first read of his impending trade mission some days ago while perusing the Asian news, and they mentioned his going to the memorial and apologizing as a part of the trip. One thing he was trying to do also was to talk India out of a big military deal with France and instead buy English.

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Do you think English had nothing to do with the North American holocaust? I would think you would regard your conquest of North America and the extermination of the natives as one of the glories of the English empire.

If Moonhead wants to discuss the favorable treatment India received in only starving or killing many scores of millions of them and while robbing them, as opposed to what was done by England in North America, certainly he can demonstrate the type of outrages England could have committed if the treated them in a similar manner to how the English treated the poor natives of North America, so we can judge the mercy and beneficence shown India and thus illustrating which they should be grateful for.

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About all this there is no essential disagreement. The most hideous enemy of native Americans was not the white man and his weaponry, concludes Alfred Crosby,"but the invisible killers which those men brought in their blood and breath." It is thought that between 75 to 90 percent of all Indian deaths resulted from these killers.

http://hnn.us/articles/7302.html

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Terra nullius, the pride of the Crown until a few years ago.

http://www.survivalinternational.org/tribes/aboriginals
Ever since the British first invaded, Aboriginal peoples have had their land stolen from them or destroyed. Until 1992, when it was finally overturned, the legal principle governing British and then Australian law regarding Aboriginal land was that of ‘terra nullius’ – that the land was empty before the British arrived, belonged to no-one, and could legitimately be taken over.

Most has still to be returned today, and the loss of their land has had a devastating social and physical impact on Aboriginal peoples.

The initial invasions also sparked huge waves of disease that killed thousands – many others were massacred. In just over one hundred years from the first invasion of their land, their numbers were reduced from up to an estimated one million to only 60,000.


And I am done reading your holocaust denier tap dance.

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Biological warfare too.

And you do know what Terra nullius means? The Spanish liked that principle too, since natives were not human, "Nobody owns the Land."

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Biological warfare too.

And you do know what Terra nullius means? The Spanish liked that principle too, since natives were not human, "Nobody owns the Land."

Biological warfare of which there is no proof. Dont let that stop your ignorance though.

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Bouquet agreed, replying to Amherst on July 13: "I will try to inoculate the bastards with some blankets that may fall into their hands, and take care not to get the disease myself." Amherst responded on July 16: "You will do well to inoculate the Indians by means of blankets, as well as every other method that can serve to extirpate this execrable race."[63]

Officers at the besieged Fort Pitt had already attempted to do what Amherst and Bouquet were discussing, apparently on their own initiative. During a parley at Fort Pitt on June 24, 1763, Ecuyer gave Delaware representatives two blankets and a handkerchief that had been exposed to smallpox, hoping to spread the disease to the Native Americans in order to end the siege.[64] William Trent, the militia commander, left records that showed the purpose of giving the blankets was "to Convey the Smallpox to the Indians

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'Some scholars' at the David Irving Institute?

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you made the assumption ... "Cameron is probably like you"
not me, own it...its an assumption , nothing more, and just as important as your thinly disguised hate for ALL the "english"
I wasnt whinging, I was taking the piss. Because your posts have been nothing but pathetic and hate induced...sorry you dont see the irony

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Ilmao look in the mirror darling ....you just did what you are telling me off for, so kiss my ass.
Pffffffft

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Biological warfare too.

And you do know what Terra nullius means? The Spanish liked that principle too, since natives were not human, "Nobody owns the Land."